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ILLUMINATI discussion . Statue of Liberty IS LUCIFER. !!! says History Channel.*****

 
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Read Tarot Revelations by Joseph Campbell. It has more truth Ive find than anything and it shows how archetypes work in prophecy
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Remember what I posted on your thread, friend ;) ?

Lay down the alchemy and astrology for a time. Knowledge is but a tool, only acts matters.

At the end of the path, the Fool knows he knows nothing and all experiences are but a new beginning. Hence he is without worries (some say he's mad) and welcomes each new dawn as a gift and not a burden ;)
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Good thing i decided to record that last night. i will be watching it today. I try not to believe the History channel too much they are full of it.
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i was just saying if you let go and see things as they are not as we interpret them then you will see there is a plan for all of this and its not evil its actually quite beautiful if you can see it right and its not evil it just is if you get far enough you can see that some bad things happen to minimize the effects on everyone

just remember everything has to sides to the story and not everyone knows the other story only the one they have been told and most of those stories are fear based

only you can save your self

or as my favorite quote not sure where i got it from

god saves those who save themselves

oh by saving your self i mean becoming ware of who you really are and not falling back into the darkness that is taught to us as light
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EVIL

Chemtrails,
Bio warfare
Murder
Rape
Flouride in drinking water
Asparteme
GM food
Transhumanism
Genocide
Mind Control
Manipulating society through false history
Manipulating society by altering frequencies in air waves
Manipulating our children and youth through programming the programs they watch
Manipulating and adding subliminals to music
Encouraging magic and ritual for personal gain in music industry thus mind controlling our youth

and the list could go on

and this

is for the advancement of the NWO

if I didnt see all of this happening on a day to day basis then I would fall for the NWO utopian dream but because I wont EVER agree to this evil then I will bow out of society with my family and become self sufficient.
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So, did they mention that the spiral staircase up to the crown is shaped like a double helix? That little fact rocked me a bit.

Or that special copper that had to be imported all the way from Norway to make her?

Did you know there was big drive in the early '50s by the Boy Scouts to raise funds to put up 200+ miniature Libertys all over the U.S.?

Any idea how many there are scattered all over the world?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
And how about the Black Tom island incident that was responsible for the formation of the FBI that blew holes in the Statue's torch?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

All in all, she's a mysterious bitch for sure.
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Egypt is considered the Birthplace of Enlightenment because the Pyramids line up with Orions belt.
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For people who believe, that no civilizations existed BEFORE Atlantis.
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Egypt is considered the Birthplace of Enlightenment because the Pyramids line up with Orions belt.


For people who believe, that no civilizations existed BEFORE Atlantis.
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LV, yes, there was Atlantis and Lemuria, sorry,

Before that, there was?

I dont know.

Venus? They say Melchizedek came from Venus and brought wheat and Honey bees as a gift to Earth.
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So, did they mention that the spiral staircase up to the crown is shaped like a double helix? That little fact rocked me a bit.

Or that special copper that had to be imported all the way from Norway to make her?

Did you know there was big drive in the early '50s by the Boy Scouts to raise funds to put up 200+ miniature Libertys all over the U.S.?

Any idea how many there are scattered all over the world?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
And how about the Black Tom island incident that was responsible for the formation of the FBI that blew holes in the Statue's torch?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

All in all, she's a mysterious bitch for sure.
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Thank you for those additional facts, The Helix is also the entwined staff of Hermes Mercury, the Caduceus, and symbol of Modern Medical profession

Copper is the Magickal metal of Venus Morningstar
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Before any heebie jeebie about Lucifer. Heres a must see video on the beautiful flow of life Pentagram that Venus makes in the sky.


 Quoting: AL MURREDIN

Hmm was reading a book a while ago about the megalithic yard and its use at Stonehenge and elsewehere.
Using a simple string and wooden frame costruct, and sighting Venus over a 40 year cycle of 5x8 years the guys who made a landscape of interconnected stone circles were able to be extremely accurate in their measurements.
The book was written by a professional land surveyor in Britain who stumbled on the mathematical precision.
Ironically his name was Furlong.(English land measurement)
I usupect that originally all these symbols were a lot less sinister than people now believe them to be.
For example, is 8 an evil number?
Or 40?
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Read Tarot Revelations by Joseph Campbell. It has more truth Ive find than anything and it shows how archetypes work in prophecy


Remember what I posted on your thread, friend ;) ?


Lay down the alchemy and astrology for a time. Knowledge is but a tool, only acts matters.

At the end of the path, the Fool knows he knows nothing and all experiences are but a new beginning. Hence he is without worries (some say he's mad) and welcomes each new dawn as a gift and not a burden ;)

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I know, lol. I start off on Zero again, Zero the Hero. lol !!!

A New Dawn is everyday, the Now Moment. hf
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So, did they mention that the spiral staircase up to the crown is shaped like a double helix? That little fact rocked me a bit.

Or that special copper that had to be imported all the way from Norway to make her?

Did you know there was big drive in the early '50s by the Boy Scouts to raise funds to put up 200+ miniature Libertys all over the U.S.?

Any idea how many there are scattered all over the world?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
And how about the Black Tom island incident that was responsible for the formation of the FBI that blew holes in the Statue's torch?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

All in all, she's a mysterious bitch for sure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1198053

Suppose everyone was just ripped off by the boy scouts?

Looks like they put the statues up all over the world and lie about what it is until later then tell everyone, "oh yeah, it's Lucifer!"

Promethius in front of Rockefeller plaza is also a form of Lucifer. Because Rochfish is a luci!
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I know, lol. I start off on Zero again, Zero the Hero. lol !!!

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Or XXII in the Belgian Tarot. All a matter of perspective ;P

hf
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Zero the Hero. lol !!!
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In french we say 0+0 = Toto's head
[link to www.zikpot.fr]

Toto the hero = TwOTwO the hero?
[link to www.imdb.com]

Belgian movie...

The world works in mysterious ways ;P
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LV, yes, there was Atlantis and Lemuria, sorry,

Before that, there was?

I dont know.
 Quoting: AL MURREDIN


I don't know too - yet. But what i know, that there are people around, who have thousands of reincarnations behind them. The distance between the reincarnations is between a couple of seconds, up to 12.500 years, on average every 100 years.
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[link to www.imdb.com]

Belgian movie...

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Dare I add the guy also directed "Mr Nobody"?



No that would too much and has nothing to do with the thread.

;p

Sorry for the derail, nice to chat with you Al hf
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Zero the Hero. lol !!!


In french we say 0+0 = Toto's head
[link to www.zikpot.fr]

Toto the hero = TwOTwO the hero?
[link to www.imdb.com]

Belgian movie...

The world works in mysterious ways ;P
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1198340



ooh, that looks like a good movie, Thanks friend. Its how I feel alot of times. lol. I know Id like it.

Storyline
Thomas and Alfred were born around the same time; a fire in the nursery had nurses scrambling to save the newborns. Because he felt that he deserved Alfred's good fortune at being born into a wealthy family, Thomas conceives the idea that he and Alfred were switched at birth, and he can't help seeing that his unhappiness should be Alfred's, from the loss of his sister to his inability to have a relationship with the woman Evelyne. So, as his life is ending, he formulates a plan of revenge against his bitter enemy, his lifetime adversary, the man who stole his existence. Written by Gary Dickerson
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LV, yes, there was Atlantis and Lemuria, sorry,

Before that, there was?

I dont know.


I don't know too - yet. But what i know, that there are people around, who have thousands of reincarnations behind them. The distance between the reincarnations is between a couple of seconds, up to 12.500 years, on average every 100 years.
 Quoting: LVPravdaFan



LV, a good astrologer could tell. Ive had my chart look at and the Master said Ive had lots of them and Im near done, Ive burned off most of my Karma..

I dont have the skills or Mastery yet to tell by looking, but I know the Aspect shape is important, and North and south nodes amongst other things.
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I know, lol. I start off on Zero again, Zero the Hero. lol !!!



Or XXII in the Belgian Tarot. All a matter of perspective ;P

hf
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Yes, wow, I first thought that too, the Fool as the Goal card, to be unburdened and free, without a care in the world.

I really want this deck called NEW VISIONS. the faces on many of the cards are turned so you cant see whether the archetypes are looking into the past or the future.

[link to www.aeclectic.net]

In the moon card a Knight is emerging from the waters. It reminds me of King Arthur, the Once and Future King.
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ooh, that looks like a good movie, Thanks friend. Its how I feel alot of times. lol. I know Id like it.

 Quoting: AL MURREDIN


You're welcome friend, it is indeed a good movie :) More funny fact, the director is a former circus clown ;p
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So, did they mention that the spiral staircase up to the crown is shaped like a double helix? That little fact rocked me a bit.

Or that special copper that had to be imported all the way from Norway to make her?

Did you know there was big drive in the early '50s by the Boy Scouts to raise funds to put up 200+ miniature Libertys all over the U.S.?

Any idea how many there are scattered all over the world?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
And how about the Black Tom island incident that was responsible for the formation of the FBI that blew holes in the Statue's torch?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

All in all, she's a mysterious bitch for sure.

Suppose everyone was just ripped off by the boy scouts?

Looks like they put the statues up all over the world and lie about what it is until later then tell everyone, "oh yeah, it's Lucifer!"

Promethius in front of Rockefeller plaza is also a form of Lucifer. Because Rochfish is a luci!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1198266


Yes, lol. I know some Gnostics call Lucifer, Lucy, ..lol..

{ source Eso/theology/Gnosis encyclopedia}

Prometheus-Lucifer is the Cherubim or Guardian of the Door, who alone is entrusted with the keys of the doors to Eden, wherein no one may enter, save the anointed ones who have the secret of Hermes. So then, we have just written this detestable name for the pitiful ears of fanatical religious ignorant people.

It is necessary to also convey that the esoteric Prometheus-Lucifer of the Archaic Doctrine is not what the Theologists (such as the famous Desmouss-Eaux and the Marquis of Mirville) mistakenly supposed, but the contrary. He is the allegory of good, the symbol of the highest sacrifice (Christus-Lucifer) of the Gnostics, and the God of wisdom under many names.

"Prometheus-Lucifer is light and shadow, mysterious symbiosis of the Solar Logos, Multiple Perfect Unity, INRI." Prometheus as creative fire helps the man to depart from the Calvinistic Beliefs, and exhibits him as the defier of fanaticism, it represents the state of the Objective Reasoning which readily appears wherever the revolutionary doctrine of superior dialectic is taught in an objective form, and which is the only self-defense of man against ignorance, namely, a discontent with the believed fact that Divinity exists, and a feeling that the obligation of man is to awake his cosmic consciousness by stealing the fire (Kundalini) of the Gods in order to live apart from the mechanical influences of Nature, thus gaining independence by managing the cosmic fire and become as the Gods. Psalm 82: 6: I have said, You are Gods (Elohim); and all of you are children (Beni-Elohim) of (Elion) the most High. 7: But you shall die like Adam, and fall like one of the princes (sharim). 8: Arise, all of you Gods (Elohim), judge the earth: for all of you (eventually) shall inherit the (heavenly) realms.

And he that overcomes, and keeps my works unto the end, to him will I give him (Lucifer) the morning star


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Conclusion of BRAD MELTZERS DECODED.

Statue of Liberty depicts Lucifer !!

7PM Pacific on December 16th air date

History Channel.

After researching the Statue to be a Symbol of the Illuminati.

Their conclusion is that she is a Symbol of Lucifer , A Symbol of Enlightment and Liberty at the end of the hour long show.

THIS WAS UPDATED, Original notes on show taken below.
 Quoting: AL MURREDIN

Lucifer is so beautiful and important to us. It is shame that the religions need to keep people in a state of darkness and ignorance to control them. To do this they lie about the true nature of Lucifer.
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I know, lol. I start off on Zero again, Zero the Hero. lol !!!



Or XXII in the Belgian Tarot. All a matter of perspective ;P

hf



Yes, wow, I first thought that too, the Fool as the Goal card, to be unburdened and free, without a care in the world.

I really want this deck called NEW VISIONS. the faces on many of the cards are turned so you cant see whether the archetypes are looking into the past or the future.

[link to www.aeclectic.net]

In the moon card a Knight is emerging from the waters. It reminds me of King Arthur, the Once and Future King.
 Quoting: AL MURREDIN


TARO can also be spelled ROTA (wheel).

Put the archetypes like a wheel and it depicts the universal cycle where one goal becomes a new beginning.

[link to 3.bp.blogspot.com]

So there's no real difference between 0 and XXII
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ooh, that looks like a good movie, Thanks friend. Its how I feel alot of times. lol. I know Id like it.



You're welcome friend, it is indeed a good movie :) More funny fact, the director is a former circus clown ;p
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I like humor, My favorite movie is Dumb and Dumber

Speaking of circus clowns, I have to bring this up, I dont know why or the context, But the show I saw before this one were speaking of , was on Adolf Hitler. My heart is burdened cause I love all people and all races. But they brought out in the show that a Stage performer and Magician taught Hitler how to do rousing speeches and hand motions to capture the audience, His name was Erik Jan Hanussen

I dont know why I brought that up, sorry, but the timing was that I saw this special Wenesday night and thought how strange, a stage entertainer/performer helped create Adolf.

Reminds me, all of life is a stage performance,..
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Yes, wow, I first thought that too, the Fool as the Goal card, to be unburdened and free, without a care in the world.
 Quoting: AL MURREDIN


It could be, that after the dissolution in the unreaveled aspect of God (Ain Soph Aur) - the goal of the mystic/saint path and a voluntarily choice for the right hand adepts a new cycle will start. But not sure on that.
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Graven image! Forbidden to be bowed down to, especially by those who are known by the Most High God and Jesus Christ.
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Jesus would be very sad to know that his name is invoked to keep people in the shackles of superstition and ignorance.
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Lucifer is so beautiful and important to us. It is shame that the religions need to keep people in a state of darkness and ignorance to control them. To do this they lie about the true nature of Lucifer.
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All a matter of perspective. What they warn about is the dangers inherent to the initiation. Because student with bad intents or just merely curious will unleash forces he might not be ready to handle.

Believe me, religious scholars know much more about this than you guys believe. The english-speaking world lost a huge bit of it's religious tradition and knowledge during the Dissolution of the monasteries:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

They were the keepers of knowledge of the catholic Church. That's why Christianism is so different now between continental Europe (Catholicism and Orthodoxism) and English-speaking countries.
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Yes, wow, I first thought that too, the Fool as the Goal card, to be unburdened and free, without a care in the world.


It could be, that after the dissolution in the unreaveled aspect of God (Ain Soph Aur) - the goal of the mystic/saint path and a voluntarily choice for the right hand adepts a new cycle will start. But not sure on that.
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It is true, like our friend pointed out, taro is also ROTA the wheel.

The end is usually the Universe card, I was so psyched, Using astrology and tarot and alchemy and all the learning and initiations (personal/spiritual) I knew I was gaining the Universe, I was so excited.. But then found myself back on the Fool Card. I was like oh wow. what a small person I am, so little I know. lol
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Hmm Interesting! To call it the statue of Liberty, when they the illuminati want to destroy all liberty and freedom that America has written in the constitution. Shouldn't the statue be facing American soil instead of out toward the sea. Or does it mean they want to take America back to Europe.
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Lucifer is so beautiful and important to us. It is shame that the religions need to keep people in a state of darkness and ignorance to control them. To do this they lie about the true nature of Lucifer.

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All a matter of perspective. What they warn about is the dangers inherent to the initiation. Because student with bad intents or just merely curious will unleash forces he might not be ready to handle.

Believe me, religious scholars know much more about this than you guys believe. The english-speaking world lost a huge bit of it's religious tradition and knowledge during the Dissolution of the monasteries:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

They were the keepers of knowledge of the catholic Church
. That's why Christianism is so different now between continental Europe (Catholicism and Orthodoxism) and English-speaking countries.
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The problem is that the Catholic Church was a self perpetuating organism, that existed only to feed on the people. It provided a way to power and wealth for those who otherwise would have had none. It was entirely dependent on keeping people ignorant. It is probably a good thing that a lot of the Catholic Knowledge was lost, other wise we would have even more records of the people they tortured and terrorized to keep themselves in the ascendancy.
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Lucifer is so beautiful and important to us. It is shame that the religions need to keep people in a state of darkness and ignorance to control them. To do this they lie about the true nature of Lucifer.


All a matter of perspective. What they warn about is the dangers inherent to the initiation. Because student with bad intents or just merely curious will unleash forces he might not be ready to handle.

Believe me, religious scholars know much more about this than you guys believe. The english-speaking world lost a huge bit of it's religious tradition and knowledge during the Dissolution of the monasteries:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

They were the keepers of knowledge of the catholic Church. That's why Christianism is so different now between continental Europe (Catholicism and Orthodoxism) and English-speaking countries.
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Yes ! I am so impressed with what Catholicism has kept and Orthodox. The Immaculate conception is a vital key to the Mysteries still cause Diana conceived that way from the Light of Zeus.

And Orthodox knew of Joseph and Mary, Joseph was a widower, had other kids, Jesus had half siblings, was a only child of Mary but still had half brothers and sisters.

While Christians will argue whether Jesus had siblings or not and they argue on and on. lol....dummies.. lol. What if the truth is half and half? they can never wrap their mind around that.
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Hmm Interesting! To call it the statue of Liberty, when they the illuminati want to destroy all liberty and freedom that America has written in the constitution. Shouldn't the statue be facing American soil instead of out toward the sea. Or does it mean they want to take America back to Europe.
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It is a beacon welcoming people on ships to a land not ruled by superstitions.

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