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Spittin'Cesium  User ID: 14589973  Netherlands10/07/2012 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'Space Weather Message Code: WATA20 Serial Number: 500 Issue Time: 2012 Oct 07 1210 UTC WATCH: Geomagnetic Storm Category G1 Predicted Highest Storm Level Predicted by Day: Oct 08: G1 (Minor) Oct 09: G1 (Minor) Oct 10: None (Below G1) THIS SUPERSEDES ANY/ALL PRIOR WATCHES IN EFFECT Potential Impacts: Area of impact primarily poleward of 60 degrees Geomagnetic Latitude. Induced Currents - Weak power grid fluctuations can occur. Spacecraft - Minor impact on satellite operations possible. Aurora - Aurora may be visible at high latitudes, i.e., northern tier of the U.S. such as northern Michigan and Maine' [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] That will need to be yet updated. The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
| Tiny Trink User ID: 24908218  United States10/07/2012 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi SC  I am doing well, just lurking these days besides my morning news posting. Hope you are well too!!  Tiny Trink, Double T, Tink Tink, T x 2 "You are responsible for the Energy you bring into a space" ~ Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor Shine Brightly as someone is needing your Inner Light to find theirs. |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 22914370 United States10/07/2012 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Update from SIDC- COMMENT: Solar flaring activity is expected to remain at the B-level, although an isolated C-class flare from the NOAA AR 1585 is not excluded. The Earth is currently inside a slow (around 330 km/s) solar wind flow with slightly elevated (around 8 nT) interplanetary magnetic field magnitude. We expect quiet geomagnetic conditions in the coming hours due to low solar wind speed. Early on October 9 we expect the arrival of the ICME corresponding to the halo CME observed on the Sun on October 5, probably interacting with the fast solar wind flow from a small low-latitude coronal hole in the southern hemisphere. A weak geomagnetic disturbance (up to K = 5) will be possible. [link to sidc.oma.be] The new CME which was spotted from the SW eruption is not likely to be geoeffective. We could see a shock, a glancing ripple, or another co-rotational interaction region on the rear end of the CH wind-stream. NASA CME cone model: [link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080] SEEDS Movie of CMEs (note-there was a far-side CME at nearly the same time) [link to spaceweather.gmu.edu] |
| AkivaJeff User ID: 19183578 United States10/07/2012 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watch this thread with great anticipation. I also watch Gabe and El Q. What I see is that the Earth and the Sun dance together always. I'm sure others see this, too. What keeps me so excited is that I am sure there is a connection that I cannot put my finger on. Does anyone else have this sense? Life is short... But it's WIDE. |
| madajs User ID: 24791599  Canada10/07/2012 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A CME, then CH effects, then another smaller CME. The Sun is throwing a mixed combination at Earth. :) PS. The geoeffective Enlil model is acting very strangely. Out of the blue it has switched to ambient mode and wiped all CMEs from it's current model run. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Normal behaviour for this model would be to show all Earth-directed activity (including multiple CMEs) during a time period. I hope this is just a mistake and not an omen of how this model will start to behave in the future. Here's a screen cap of the 10-5 CME model for our reference. [link to i104.photobucket.com] Last Edited by madajs on 10/07/2012 03:22 PM And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning: "That path leads ever down into stagnation." |
| shadasonic User ID: 15732022 United States10/07/2012 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watch this thread with great anticipation. I also watch Gabe and El Q. What I see is that the Earth and the Sun dance together always. I'm sure others see this, too. What keeps me so excited is that I am sure there is a connection that I cannot put my finger on. Does anyone else have this sense? Quoting: AkivaJeff Most definitely “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan |
| shadasonic User ID: 15732022 United States10/07/2012 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A CME, then CH effects, then another smaller CME. The Sun is throwing a mixed combination at Earth. :) Quoting: madajs PS. The geoeffective Enlil model is acting very strangely. Out of the blue it has switched to ambient mode and wiped all CMEs from it's current model run. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Normal behaviour for this model would be to show all Earth-directed activity (including multiple CMEs) during a time period. I hope this is just a mistake and not an omen of how this model will start to behave in the future. Here's a screen cap of the 10-5 CME model for our reference. [link to i104.photobucket.com] I noticed this, thanks for the catch “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 22914370 United States10/07/2012 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A CME, then CH effects, then another smaller CME. The Sun is throwing a mixed combination at Earth. :) Quoting: madajs PS. The geoeffective Enlil model is acting very strangely. Out of the blue it has switched to ambient mode and wiped all CMEs from it's current model run. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Normal behaviour for this model would be to show all Earth-directed activity (including multiple CMEs) during a time period. I hope this is just a mistake and not an omen of how this model will start to behave in the future. Here's a screen cap of the 10-5 CME model for our reference. [link to i104.photobucket.com] They used to have 2 separate ENLIL Models (CME & Ambient); why they consolidated them is another NOAA mystery. I never liked NOAA's model compared to the iSWA-Goddard models anyway. You would think they'd do a better job since they're the Official Space Weather Prediction Agency for the entire globe, LOL. I'm not really expecting a whole lot from this CME (the eruption only caused a B7 flare), however it should be interesting to see how it interacts with the CH wind stream. |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 22914370 United States10/07/2012 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watch this thread with great anticipation. I also watch Gabe and El Q. What I see is that the Earth and the Sun dance together always. I'm sure others see this, too. What keeps me so excited is that I am sure there is a connection that I cannot put my finger on. Does anyone else have this sense? Quoting: AkivaJeff Most definitely There's not one shred of hard evidence linking earthquakes to solar activity (outside of GLP and other hearsay). In fact all of the evidence shows no correlation at all. EARTHQUAKES vs. SS ACTIVITY-  However increased solar activity DOES produce Republican Senators. Here's proof-  |
| madajs User ID: 24791599 Canada10/07/2012 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's interesting Hugh, I've developed the opposite opinion. The cygnet Enlil runs seem rushed and less accurate (see the 9-28 CME prediction of a hasty arrival time [link to iswa.ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] ) Whereas the geoeffective Enlil model processes data longer first, and often fine tunes itself multiple times before arrival. It pretty much nailed the 10-01 impact particulars on the head. To each their own I guess :) for me I use the cygnet for a rough draft then wait on geo-Enlil for the actual refined particulars. Last Edited by madajs on 10/07/2012 04:03 PM And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning: "That path leads ever down into stagnation." |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 22914370 United States10/07/2012 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's interesting Hugh, I've developed the opposite opinion. The cygnet Enlil runs seem rushed and less accurate (see the 9-28 CME prediction of a hasty arrival time [link to iswa.ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] ) Quoting: madajs Whereas the geoeffective Enlil model processes data longer first, and often fine tunes itself multiple times before arrival. It pretty much nailed the 10-01 impact particulars on the head. To each their own I guess :) for me I use the cygnet for a rough draft then wait on geo-Enlil for the actual refined particulars. It looks like they fine-tuned-away the CME and the CH winds. And what's that hump of plasma density shown coming on 10/11-12? Did I miss something here? [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 22914370 United States10/07/2012 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We may have a C-flare at long last...maybe from the NE limb...I can't see much yet. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] |
| madajs User ID: 24791599 Canada10/07/2012 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It looks like they fine-tuned-away the CME and the CH winds. And what's that hump of plasma density shown coming on 10/11-12? Did I miss something here? Quoting: Hugh M Eye [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] If you look on the left it shows a dense wind stream (poss. CH?) modelled to hit at that point. Considering it just went ahead and deleted a 50/cm3 CME, I'm gonna go ahead and throw an asterisk on anything this model is simulating until they get their crap back in order lol! PS. That dense wind stream could be attributed to the new CH that just came over the limb, seen here [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Last Edited by madajs on 10/07/2012 05:06 PM And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning: "That path leads ever down into stagnation." |
| AkivaJeff User ID: 19183578 United States10/07/2012 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We may have a C-flare at long last...maybe from the NE limb...I can't see much yet. Quoting: Hugh M Eye [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] WOOHOO. Finally a C!. The interesting thing is what Hugh, SC, and splinter (et.al.) have been talking about. That is FILAMENT eruptions. From what I have seen this is unprecedented territory. Sunspots, CMEs, etc. have always been the focus of NOAA, NASA, etc. but the GLP group has identified phenomena that does not adhere to their tripe. GREAT JOB folks. Shada, SC, NiN, Hugh, Splinter, Isis, Madass, TS, Shenue, SB, Mang, ETC, (even TBar) (I could go on and on)and many others are LEADERS in finding truth in the real world, I love you all. (no man crushes, though). Just from the heart. I don't want to leave anyone out. It's just off the top of my head. But please include Gabe, El Q, Mil_Man, whiteangel, the "Moms", I ;ove you all. Last Edited by AkivaJeff on 10/07/2012 04:59 PM Life is short... But it's WIDE. |
| SnakeBite User ID: 20003075 Canada10/07/2012 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We may have a C-flare at long last...maybe from the NE limb...I can't see much yet. Quoting: Hugh M Eye [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] WOOHOO. Finally a C!. The interesting thing is what Hugh, SC, and splinter (et.al.) have been talking about. That is FILAMENT eruptions. From what I have seen this is unprecedented territory. Sunspots, CMEs, etc. have always been the focus of NOAA, NASA, etc. but the GLP group has identified phenomena that does not adhere to their tripe. GREAT JOB folks. Shada, SC, NiN, Hugh, Splinter, Isis, Madass, TS, Shenue, SB, Mang, ETC, (even TBar) (I could go on and on)and many others are LEADERS in finding truth in the real world, I love you all. (no man crushes, though). Just from the heart. I don't want to leave anyone out. It's just off the top of my head. But please include Gabe, El Q, Mil_Man, whiteangel, the "Moms", I ;ove you all.  |
| shadasonic User ID: 15732022 United States10/07/2012 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watch this thread with great anticipation. I also watch Gabe and El Q. What I see is that the Earth and the Sun dance together always. I'm sure others see this, too. What keeps me so excited is that I am sure there is a connection that I cannot put my finger on. Does anyone else have this sense? Quoting: AkivaJeff Most definitely There's not one shred of hard evidence linking earthquakes to solar activity (outside of GLP and other hearsay). In fact all of the evidence shows no correlation at all. EARTHQUAKES vs. SS ACTIVITY- However increased solar activity DOES produce Republican Senators. Here's proof- I know, still seems theres no way solar radiation doesn't somehow on a cummulative absorption rate relate to an increase in shear pressure,even over a period of time. I've seen this info you present and it looks cut and dried, still have my own beliefs. Thanks for the info though, it may help people less stubborn than me in their decisions Last Edited by Thinking out loud on 10/07/2012 07:49 PM “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 22914370 United States10/07/2012 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We may have a C-flare at long last...maybe from the NE limb...I can't see much yet. Quoting: Hugh M Eye [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] The C 1.2 flare was indeed from beyond the NE limb which is why I couldn't see anything. [link to www.lmsal.com] Also SOHO showing a far-side CME which may be related: [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] Note: This is the first C-flare since 10/02! [link to www.lmsal.com] Last Edited by Hugh M Eye on 10/07/2012 08:15 PM |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 22914370 United States10/07/2012 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Woo-hoo! Another C-flare, from the same region apparently. The Boulder magnetometer is showing a K index of 3 now. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] ACE data showing the Bz has been steadily South (-5nT). [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] I can't believe it's so boring lately that I'm getting excited about a C 1 flare and K=3 (quiet). I feel so pathetic, LOL. |
| madajs User ID: 24791599 Canada10/07/2012 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We may have a C-flare at long last...maybe from the NE limb...I can't see much yet. Quoting: Hugh M Eye [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] The C 1.2 flare was indeed from beyond the NE limb which is why I couldn't see anything. [link to www.lmsal.com] Also SOHO showing a far-side CME which may be related: [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] Note: This is the first C-flare since 10/02! [link to www.lmsal.com] Not sure if it's the same one but cygnet enlil showing a pretty powerful farside CME [link to iswa.ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning: "That path leads ever down into stagnation." |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 22914370 United States10/07/2012 10:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We may have a C-flare at long last...maybe from the NE limb...I can't see much yet. Quoting: Hugh M Eye [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] The C 1.2 flare was indeed from beyond the NE limb which is why I couldn't see anything. [link to www.lmsal.com] Also SOHO showing a far-side CME which may be related: [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov] Note: This is the first C-flare since 10/02! [link to www.lmsal.com] Not sure if it's the same one but cygnet enlil showing a pretty powerful farside CME [link to iswa.ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] The region near the northeast limb which gave us the C1 flares should be visible on the Earth-side within 48 hours. I'm not certain but I'm guessing it was the source of the CME. CONFIRMED-definitely that region. STEREO B EUVI movie: [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 22914370 United States10/07/2012 10:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] The GOES Proton flux might be a teensy-bit agitated as well; [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Not bad for a far-side event...this new region may make for an interesting week (I hope).  |
| Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States10/07/2012 11:05 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watch this thread with great anticipation. I also watch Gabe and El Q. What I see is that the Earth and the Sun dance together always. I'm sure others see this, too. What keeps me so excited is that I am sure there is a connection that I cannot put my finger on. Does anyone else have this sense? Quoting: AkivaJeff Yes, I wrote about it pages back, the sun is learning how to upgrade the earth's operating system without frying us. I used the analogy of a cowboy lasso-ing and hog-tying a calf. Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States10/07/2012 11:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A CME, then CH effects, then another smaller CME. The Sun is throwing a mixed combination at Earth. :) Quoting: madajs PS. The geoeffective Enlil model is acting very strangely. Out of the blue it has switched to ambient mode and wiped all CMEs from it's current model run. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Normal behaviour for this model would be to show all Earth-directed activity (including multiple CMEs) during a time period. I hope this is just a mistake and not an omen of how this model will start to behave in the future. Here's a screen cap of the 10-5 CME model for our reference. [link to i104.photobucket.com] Madge, thanks for the screen cap, wow Computers posting tooooo sloooo, so I'll be back tomorrow night all. Last Edited by Isis One on 10/07/2012 11:13 PM Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Hugh M Eye User ID: 22914370 United States10/07/2012 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Origin of the Strongest Cosmic Rays is Still Mysterious- Recently, scientists working with the IceCube neutrino detector at the South Pole announced that “cosmic ray hotspots” have been seen coming from specific locations in space. Since cosmic rays are “only known” to be generated by supernovae or the mysterious Gamma Ray Bursters (GRB), the hotspots are creating confusion: no such sources exist close enough to create such high velocity ions. Cosmic rays are electrically charged, so magnetic fields beyond a certain distance ought to randomize the direction from which they arise and prevent such highly localized conditions. More here: [link to www.thunderbolts.info] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23579473 United States10/07/2012 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Origin of the Strongest Cosmic Rays is Still Mysterious- Quoting: Hugh M Eye Recently, scientists working with the IceCube neutrino detector at the South Pole announced that “cosmic ray hotspots” have been seen coming from specific locations in space. Since cosmic rays are “only known” to be generated by supernovae or the mysterious Gamma Ray Bursters (GRB), the hotspots are creating confusion: no such sources exist close enough to create such high velocity ions. Cosmic rays are electrically charged, so magnetic fields beyond a certain distance ought to randomize the direction from which they arise and prevent such highly localized conditions. More here: [link to www.thunderbolts.info] Awesome, I love it when the 'experts' are 'mystified'.  |
| Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States10/07/2012 11:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Oct 12 2012TC (?) 0.2 LD (Page 2) Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States10/07/2012 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hugh, the graphic in this second video you posted does a good job of showing how the particles, 'tunnel' their way down to the sun, I figure a similar mechanism drives them toward earth. I found this just now on Drudge Report (of all places)- Quoting: Hugh M Eye More Evidence That Voyager 1 Has Left the Solar System- However Nick Suntzeff, a Texas A&M University astronomer, said based upon the stunning drop in charged particles, something is definitely happening to Voyager that NASA should be commenting upon: “Even without the magnetometer data, the Voyager 1 data shows that it has gone through a huge barrier at the edge of the solar system. These guys are defining it based on their theory which requires a transition zone where the magnetic fields decouple. Maybe this is true. But the fact remains that the satellite has gone through a discontinuity in cosmic ray fluxes that is incredible. It is interacting with the boundary of the Solar System. I think that the data stand on their merit – something wonderful ( a line from the movie 2010) has happened” Which is to say that NASA may be making an important announcement about Voyager 1 in the not too distant future. Article w/nice charts n' stuff: [link to blog.chron.com]  Well,it has exited something from the looks of this graph [link to blog.chron.com] of the drop in measured Protons. If from that Graph of plotted Protons they are extrapolating the edge of the Heliosphere you'd also have to conclude that there appears to be clumps or waves of Solar Protons toward the edge of the Heliosphere,no? Also,I believe that there could again be a pick-up in Protons as I personally believe the Heliopause is constantly changing its' outer edge and this is due to Solar Activity,ie. Solar Wind originating from CHs' aswell as average SW and the Bubbles blown by larger CMEs' as well as Larger Flare Events that increase the overall measured Energies that contribute to the overall strength of the outermost edges of our Solar Bubble. Excuse me for coming across a little disjointed in my description,it is very late(early)here : ) I think that those "clumps or waves" can be seen at the 0:50min. mark in this video. [link to www.youtube.com] There was confirmation for me of my answer to SC's question the other night about the cosmic rays, this vid just illustrated how they can "tunnel' right down into the sun and then my addition is the sun hyper-attenuated that one in July Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| shadasonic User ID: 15732022 United States10/07/2012 11:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Origin of the Strongest Cosmic Rays is Still Mysterious- Quoting: Hugh M Eye Recently, scientists working with the IceCube neutrino detector at the South Pole announced that “cosmic ray hotspots” have been seen coming from specific locations in space. Since cosmic rays are “only known” to be generated by supernovae or the mysterious Gamma Ray Bursters (GRB), the hotspots are creating confusion: no such sources exist close enough to create such high velocity ions. Cosmic rays are electrically charged, so magnetic fields beyond a certain distance ought to randomize the direction from which they arise and prevent such highly localized conditions. More here: [link to www.thunderbolts.info] Jet particles, and we know where these come from. [link to www.redorbit.com] Antimatter annihilation is a close cousin,whats dark matters kissing cousin? Funny thing is no one talks about dark 'energy' or its supposed relation to jet particle annihilation properties anymore,was once a huge conversation piece. Maybe its making itself to known, or 'they' actually know its makeup and purpose and now it can't be talked about? The juxtaposition of ions should not be the target. Last Edited by Thinking out loud on 10/07/2012 11:49 PM “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan |
| shadasonic User ID: 15732022 United States10/08/2012 12:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.n3kl.org] Mags bottoming, electrons also, with a slight proton spike. Prelude to an incoming event. “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan |
| shadasonic User ID: 15732022 United States10/08/2012 12:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.lmsal.com] Solarsoft not giving us a good update on upcoming attractions. AAArrgghhh! “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan |
