Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 2,017 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 789,360
Pageviews Today: 1,032,669Threads Today: 260Posts Today: 3,717
08:48 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 904314
Canada
05/03/2011 03:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
it's 9, I can't believe you freaks let this drag on for so long.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190583


you get a smily face sticker for effort, but you forgot x(a+b) rules
MrSmith

User ID: 1368629
Germany
05/03/2011 03:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
btw. this question is on facebook:

1: 1,534,946 votes
9: 1,978,015 votes

lol

but i still say it's 1
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1190583
Canada
05/03/2011 03:29 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
IT'S NINE. Okay lets end this thread.. this is dumb.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 904314
Canada
05/03/2011 03:29 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
For all the wrong people saying it is 1:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Please go read that page, all of it, and learn proper steps of algebra/mathematics. Then try again.

The correct/logical/true answer, is 9.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1314600


Please go learn that 2(1+2) is one parenthesis equation which parses as (2*1 + 2*2) BEFORE the 6/xxx part
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1314600
Canada
05/03/2011 03:29 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
btw. this question is on facebook:

1: 1,534,946 votes
9: 1,978,015 votes

lol

but i still say it's 1
 Quoting: MrSmith


But then you'd be wrong, wouldn't you? ;)

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 300884
Sweden
05/03/2011 03:29 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
To be fair to the OP, there IS an old precedence of using '÷' the way he does (signifying an implicit denominator expression to the end of the line, without needing parentheses). It's not been used that way in a looong time, but when you really dig into it, you'll find there was an old German algebra book where it happened:

"The obelus (÷) was first used as a division symbol by Johann Rahn (or Rhonius) (1622-1676) in 1659 in Teutsche Algebra (Cajori vol. 2, page 211)."

[link to jeff560.tripod.com]


So one could perhaps claim the oldest known use for the obelus symbol should have precedence over how it's commonly used today, so that


6÷2(1+2)

implies

6÷[2(1+2)] = 9


Just as the OP likes it. Unfortunately, this is only the oldest known use of the obelus AS DIVISION, as we see further down:

"The division symbol (the obelus) was used by many writers before Rahn as a minus sign."

OK, if we think the oldest known usage should take precedence over more contemporary usage, we must therefore read


6÷2(1+2)

as being equal to

6-2(1+2) = 0


But then, it turns out the obelus was commonly used even before that, to mean A TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR, so the absolute oldest meaning of


6÷2(1+2)

is

6 <TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR!> 2(1+2)


Which sums it up pretty nicely, in that the common symbol for division is '/', and putting a '÷' there instead, just to try and be clever, is a bad typographic choice. If we do the right thing, and write


6/2(1+2)


then there's no problem, the result is of course 9, as per standard algebraic rules.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


Neat history lesson.

And we come full circle. Because among those people for whom mathematics is a language, the given expression would be somewhat of a typographical error, requiring clarification.
 Quoting: oniongrass


Indeed. If the purpose is clear communication, relying on obscure and unclear semantics of rarely used symbols is a bad idea.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1314600
Canada
05/03/2011 03:31 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
For all the wrong people saying it is 1:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Please go read that page, all of it, and learn proper steps of algebra/mathematics. Then try again.

The correct/logical/true answer, is 9.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1314600


Please go learn that 2(1+2) is one parenthesis equation which parses as (2*1 + 2*2) BEFORE the 6/xxx part
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


You are wrong. The 2 outside is not part of a bracketed operation. Therefore, it is 2*3, which must come after the 6 divided by 2. Therefore, it is 3 * 3, which equals 9. Pure and perfect mathematical logic truth.
9
galdur

User ID: 1358010
Iceland
05/03/2011 03:31 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
9
 Quoting: KMET


No, the equation is 6 divided by 2(1+2) = 1.

I was wrong, you are wrong, best to admit it.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1343557
United States
05/03/2011 03:32 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
And we come full circle. Because among those people for whom mathematics is a language, the given expression would be somewhat of a typographical error, requiring clarification.
 Quoting: oniongrass


As I said in one of my fist posts on this thread...NO ONE worth their salt would write that equation that ambiguously...

However...AS written, there is only one 'correct' answer, and that is 1...

You either understand the connotations of using an Obelus in this situation, or like many of you, you ignorantly replace it with a solidus (either in your mind or on paper), and thus get the incorrect answer of 9...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1362610
Spain
05/03/2011 03:32 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
1+1=2

Discuss.
 Quoting: Dark Zen


No it´s not.
MrSmith

User ID: 1368629
Germany
05/03/2011 03:33 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
btw. this question is on facebook:

1: 1,534,946 votes
9: 1,978,015 votes

lol

but i still say it's 1
 Quoting: MrSmith


But then you'd be wrong, wouldn't you? ;)

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1314600


i learned that x(a+b) is the same as (xa+xb) and if that would be wrong... then 80% of the shit we done at shool would be wrong... so i still think it's 1...

most people think it's 9 because google say it is...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1343557
United States
05/03/2011 03:33 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
My casio fx-300ms says the awnser is 1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1278563


As does a TI-85...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 904314
Canada
05/03/2011 03:34 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
You are wrong. The 2 outside is not part of a bracketed operation. Therefore, it is 2*3, which must come after the 6 divided by 2. Therefore, it is 3 * 3, which equals 9. Pure and perfect mathematical logic truth.
9
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1314600


So you are saying that y / x(2+4) = (y/x) * (2+4), and you would be very wrong.

It's y / x(2+4) = y /(2x+4x)

that's the rule. Argue all you want, that is still the rule.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1362610
Spain
05/03/2011 03:34 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Actually, I have already:

In proper mathematics:
6÷2(1+2)
the bracketed operation MUST be done first
(in a calculator, you would enter those first)
6÷2(3)
then you do multiplication and division, in order as they appear
6÷2(3) can also be written correctly as
6÷2*3 since both operations are forms of multiplication
therefore
3*3
9
Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Please listen to your intellectual superiors. Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1314600


I agree, but what about the difference between

÷

and

/

?

if ÷ represents a fraction, the answer is 1
if ÷ represents division, the answer is 9


so it all boils down to how ÷ should be interpreted...

Well OP?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1314600
Canada
05/03/2011 03:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
9
 Quoting: KMET


No, the equation is 6 divided by 2(1+2) = 1.

I was wrong, you are wrong, best to admit it.
 Quoting: galdur


You are wrong. 9 is the correct mathematical answer.
The 2 is outside of the brackets, thus not part of the (3).
Best to perhaps learn the proper math?

[link to math.about.com]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.math.com]

Please listen to your intellectual superiors.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 904314
Canada
05/03/2011 03:36 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Actually, I have already:

In proper mathematics:
6÷2(1+2)
the bracketed operation MUST be done first
(in a calculator, you would enter those first)
6÷2(3)
then you do multiplication and division, in order as they appear
6÷2(3) can also be written correctly as
6÷2*3 since both operations are forms of multiplication
therefore
3*3
9
Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Please listen to your intellectual superiors. Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1314600


I agree, but what about the difference between

÷

and

/

?

if ÷ represents a fraction, the answer is 1
if ÷ represents division, the answer is 9


so it all boils down to how ÷ should be interpreted...

Well OP?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1362610


The OP answered by saying there is only 1 answer, and put the number 1 in bold

The argument about ÷ and / is irrelevant, 2(x+y) has to be expanded to (2x+y2) as part of the parenthesis operation
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1018594
United States
05/03/2011 03:36 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
It should be the same backwards and forwards.
(1+2)=3
2x3=6
6/6=O-N-E

yes I'm yelling this really has me worried!
KMET

User ID: 1289229
United States
05/03/2011 03:36 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
What do the "9-tards" win?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1314600
Canada
05/03/2011 03:37 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
btw. this question is on facebook:

1: 1,534,946 votes
9: 1,978,015 votes

lol

but i still say it's 1
 Quoting: MrSmith


But then you'd be wrong, wouldn't you? ;)

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1314600


i learned that x(a+b) is the same as (xa+xb) and if that would be wrong... then 80% of the shit we done at shool would be wrong... so i still think it's 1...

most people think it's 9 because google say it is...
 Quoting: MrSmith




You are wrong. The 2 outside is not part of a bracketed operation. Therefore, it is 2*3, which must come after the 6 divided by 2. Therefore, it is 3 * 3, which equals 9. Pure and perfect mathematical logic truth.
9
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1314600


So you are saying that y / x(2+4) = (y/x) * (2+4), and you would be very wrong.

It's y / x(2+4) = y /(2x+4x)

that's the rule. Argue all you want, that is still the rule.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


Both of you please read
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
in your language.

You are both incorrect. The mathematical answer is 9.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1343557
United States
05/03/2011 03:37 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Please listen to your intellectual superiors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1314600


I lmao every time you write that...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1362610
Spain
05/03/2011 03:37 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
The OP answered by saying there is only 1 answer, and put the number 1 in bold

The argument about ÷ and / is irrelevant, 2(x+y) has to be expanded to (2x+y2) as part of the parenthesis operation
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


Well then the only answer can be NINE
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1314600
Canada
05/03/2011 03:39 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Actually, I have already:

In proper mathematics:
6÷2(1+2)
the bracketed operation MUST be done first
(in a calculator, you would enter those first)
6÷2(3)
then you do multiplication and division, in order as they appear
6÷2(3) can also be written correctly as
6÷2*3 since both operations are forms of multiplication
therefore
3*3
9
Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Please listen to your intellectual superiors. Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1314600


I agree, but what about the difference between

÷

and

/

?

if ÷ represents a fraction, the answer is 1
if ÷ represents division, the answer is 9


so it all boils down to how ÷ should be interpreted...

Well OP?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1362610


The OP answered by saying there is only 1 answer, and put the number 1 in bold

The argument about ÷ and / is irrelevant, 2(x+y) has to be expanded to (2x+y2) as part of the parenthesis operation
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


That is incorrect handling of the operand. Please review Order of Operations.

Also, a fraction is a representation of division, but all numbers are full integers (Whole numbers) and there are no fractions present in the notation. The mathematical answer is 9.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1362610
Spain
05/03/2011 03:39 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
still this does not explain some calculators coming up with 1.

Probably operator error.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1368557
Australia
05/03/2011 03:39 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
And we come full circle. Because among those people for whom mathematics is a language, the given expression would be somewhat of a typographical error, requiring clarification.
 Quoting: oniongrass


As I said in one of my fist posts on this thread...NO ONE worth their salt would write that equation that ambiguously...

However...AS written, there is only one 'correct' answer, and that is 1...

You either understand the connotations of using an Obelus in this situation, or like many of you, you ignorantly replace it with a solidus (either in your mind or on paper), and thus get the incorrect answer of 9...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1343557


Obelus or Solidus ... cool .. therein lies the answer ..

1 .. biWINNING

learn something new everyday .. thanks GLP

=P

time to leave this thread
Desbob

User ID: 1368472
United Kingdom
05/03/2011 03:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
9
 Quoting: KMET


No, the equation is 6 divided by 2(1+2) = 1.

I was wrong, you are wrong, best to admit it.
 Quoting: galdur


In words;

six divided by two multiplied by the product of one plus two

= six divided by two multiplied by three

(NOT six divided by the product of two times three as some seem to think, there are no brackets forcing this computation before the division.)

division and multiplication treated equaly so in order of appearence;

= three multiplied by three

= nine

2(1+2) of course does equal 6 but the equation is not simply 2(1+2), it is 6÷2(1+2) which is completely different.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1018594
United States
05/03/2011 03:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
I always thought that you could take an equation, do it forwards, backwards, upside-down, and inside-out, and you would get the same answer.

Someone please tell me I am wrong and prove that.

(I'm a one-tard)
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1314600
Canada
05/03/2011 03:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Please listen to your intellectual superiors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1314600


I lmao every time you write that...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1343557


Haha thank you.

Also, for those incorrect people thinking that
"2(x+y) has to be expanded to (2x+y2)"
you are dealing with 2 variables, whereas this equation has no variables whatsoever. All operands are utilizing full integers, whole numbers. Absolute numbers.

The absolute answer, logically, utilizing proper steps of Orders of Operation, is 9.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1343557
United States
05/03/2011 03:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
still this does not explain some calculators coming up with 1.

Probably operator error.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1362610


Yeah...That HAS to be it pick

Paste these in the link:

6÷2(1+2) =

6/2(1+2) =

[link to www.myalgebra.com]

Let us know what you find...

chuckle
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1280210
Czechia
05/03/2011 03:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
1
MrSmith

User ID: 1368629
Germany
05/03/2011 03:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Math: 6÷2(1+2) = ?
Both of you please read
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
in your language.

You are both incorrect. The mathematical answer is 9.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1314600


are you nuts?

terms inside parenthesis
exponents and roots
multiplication and division
addition and subtraction
 Quoting: wikifuck


so?

6÷2(1+2) = ?
6÷2(3) = ?
6÷6 = 1

or

6÷2(1+2) = ?
6÷(2*1+2*2) = ?
6÷(2+4) = ?
6÷(6) = ?
6÷6 = 1

omg





GLP