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[link to www.nationalreview.com]

This afternoon, President Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) released an official policy directive undermining the welfare reform law of 1996. The new policy guts the federal work requirements that have been the foundation of that law — one of the most successful domestic policy reforms in the 20th century.

Welfare reform replaced the old Aid to Families with Dependent Children with a new program, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). The underlying concept of welfare reform was that able-bodied adults should be required to work or prepare for work as a condition of receiving welfare aid.

The welfare reform law was very successful. In the four decades prior to welfare reform, the welfare caseload never experienced a significant decline. But, in the four years after welfare reform, the caseload dropped by nearly half. Employment surged and child poverty among blacks and single mothers plummeted to historic lows. What was the catalyst for these improvements? Rigorous new federal work requirements contained in TANF.

Contrary to some perceptions, the formula that made welfare reform a success was not giving state governments more flexibility in operating federally funded welfare programs. The active ingredient that made the difference was requiring state governments to implement those rigorous new federal work standards.

Today the Obama administration issued a dramatic new directive stating that the traditional TANF work requirements will be waived or overridden by a legal device called a section 1115 waiver authority under the Social Security law (42 U.S.C. 1315).
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President Obama surprising me on a daily basis - I'm Sickened and Disgusted now
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I know. I swear he was sent here to destroy us! Seems that way anyways.
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He was and was put in place illegally against the will of the American public through deceit and lies by the evil Satanic cabal which has this world in its grasp.

The ONLY way to escape the imminent destruction of your spirit is through Jesus Christ. He... is the ONLY way friends! DO NOT CHOOSE TO IGNORE THIS AND BE PLACED IN THE FINAL 7 YEAR PERIOD / POST RAPTURE / FOR YOUR DESTINY AT THAT POINT WILL BE GRIM. The Only way after the removal of the church to be provided a sense of salvation will be from the sacrifice of your own life. This will be through your confession of your knowledge, understanding and belief in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, as well as refusing the mark which is present and being instituted now.

Pray for me as well. There are temptations everywhere and we all need strength in the incredibly dark days!
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He was and was put in place illegally against the will of the American public through deceit and lies by the evil Satanic cabal which has this world in its grasp.

The ONLY way to escape the imminent destruction of your spirit is through Jesus Christ. He... is the ONLY way friends! DO NOT CHOOSE TO IGNORE THIS AND BE PLACED IN THE FINAL 7 YEAR PERIOD / POST RAPTURE / FOR YOUR DESTINY AT THAT POINT WILL BE GRIM. The Only way after the removal of the church to be provided a sense of salvation will be from the sacrifice of your own life. This will be through your confession of your knowledge, understanding and belief in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, as well as refusing the mark which is present and being instituted now.

Pray for me as well. There are temptations everywhere and we all need strength in the incredibly dark days!
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so where's the link to this new EO?
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I don't even know what this means.baffle
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This afternoon, President Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) released an official policy directive undermining the welfare reform law of 1996. The new policy guts the federal work requirements that have been the foundation of that law — one of the most successful domestic policy reforms in the 20th century.

Welfare reform replaced the old Aid to Families with Dependent Children with a new program, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). The underlying concept of welfare reform was that able-bodied adults should be required to work or prepare for work as a condition of receiving welfare aid.

The welfare reform law was very successful. In the four decades prior to welfare reform, the welfare caseload never experienced a significant decline. But, in the four years after welfare reform, the caseload dropped by nearly half. Employment surged and child poverty among blacks and single mothers plummeted to historic lows. What was the catalyst for these improvements? Rigorous new federal work requirements contained in TANF.

Contrary to some perceptions, the formula that made welfare reform a success was not giving state governments more flexibility in operating federally funded welfare programs. The active ingredient that made the difference was requiring state governments to implement those rigorous new federal work standards.

Today the Obama administration issued a dramatic new directive stating that the traditional TANF work requirements will be waived or overridden by a legal device called a section 1115 waiver authority under the Social Security law (42 U.S.C. 1315).
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THE EMPEROR OBAMA HAS SPOKEN!
HE DON' NEED NO STINKIN' CONGRESS!
HE DON' NEED NO STINKIN' CONSTITUTION!

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY OBAMA, AND KNEEL BEFORE HIM TO RECIEVE THE HOLY LOAD!!!
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He wants to make sure the 4% of blacks who didn't vote for him last time, show up this time
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so where's the link to this new EO?
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^this^

I don't even know what this means.baffle
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and ^this^ I mean practically speaking
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He was and was put in place illegally against the will of the American public through deceit and lies by the evil Satanic cabal which has this world in its grasp.

The ONLY way to escape the imminent destruction of your spirit is through Jesus Christ. He... is the ONLY way friends! DO NOT CHOOSE TO IGNORE THIS AND BE PLACED IN THE FINAL 7 YEAR PERIOD / POST RAPTURE / FOR YOUR DESTINY AT THAT POINT WILL BE GRIM. The Only way after the removal of the church to be provided a sense of salvation will be from the sacrifice of your own life. This will be through your confession of your knowledge, understanding and belief in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, as well as refusing the mark which is present and being instituted now.

Pray for me as well. There are temptations everywhere and we all need strength in the incredibly dark days!
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When you have a lot of people not working and getting fed by people who are, it will never work.

The ants don't feed the grass hoppers.
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He was and was put in place illegally against the will of the American public through deceit and lies by the evil Satanic cabal which has this world in its grasp.

The ONLY way to escape the imminent destruction of your spirit is through Jesus Christ. He... is the ONLY way friends! DO NOT CHOOSE TO IGNORE THIS AND BE PLACED IN THE FINAL 7 YEAR PERIOD / POST RAPTURE / FOR YOUR DESTINY AT THAT POINT WILL BE GRIM. The Only way after the removal of the church to be provided a sense of salvation will be from the sacrifice of your own life. This will be through your confession of your knowledge, understanding and belief in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, as well as refusing the mark which is present and being instituted now.

Pray for me as well. There are temptations everywhere and we all need strength in the incredibly dark days!
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There won't be any rapture. No such thing mentioned in the bible.
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so where's the link to this new EO?
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While the TANF work participation requirements are contained in section 407, section 402(a)(1)(A)(iii) requires that the state plan “[e]nsure that parents and caretakers receiving assistance under the program engage in work activities in accordance with section 407.” Thus, HHS has authority to waive compliance with this 402 requirement and authorize a state to test approaches and methods other than those set forth in section 407, including definitions of work activities and engagement, specified limitations, verification procedures, and the calculation of participation rates. As described below, however, HHS will only consider approving waivers relating to the work participation requirements that make changes intended to lead to more effective means of meeting the work goals of TANF.



[link to www.acf.hhs.gov]


You sound as though you doubt it!

Most thinking people have known this was coming under Obama. He will use any means to get votes at the taxpayers' expense.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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so where's the link to this new EO?
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This is the document mentioned in the piece, although it's not an EO: [link to www.acf.hhs.gov]
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I can hear the drums and see the lightning off in the distance now...Can you?
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Which means in a nutshell:
1)...Mom don't have to work to collect
2)...Fathers must now pay higher child supports to cover for increase costs
3)...oh, forgot..On top of that higher welfare costs with interests, under 42 USC,etc...child support title
4)... moms can stay at home more
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Still trying to figure more out...brb
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Which means in a nutshell:
1)...Mom don't have to work to collect
2)...Fathers must now pay higher child supports to cover for increase costs
3)...oh, forgot..On top of that higher welfare costs with interests, under 42 USC,etc...child support title
4)... moms can stay at home more
====
Still trying to figure more out...brb
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Yes, working is only for non-welfare moms. We wouldn't want these welfare recipients to have to live like the actual taxpayers have to now would we?
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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Good. At least women who's deadbeat partners abandoned them with children will get more help. It's hard enough to find a job these days, let alone having to pay for exorbitant child care at the same time where every penny you earn goes out the door. TANF was fucking stupid anyway, it will not work in today's economy.
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Wait, so he is requiring people to prepare for work and making welfare more temporary? Isn't that a good thing?

OP says, "The welfare reform law was very successful. In the four decades prior to welfare reform, the welfare caseload never experienced a significant decline".

Isn't that a BAD thing?! Don't you want the welfare caseload to be smaller?!

The only problem I see is that the unemployment rate is so high and that would present a complication, then people can't qualify for welfare, and you have angry people, etc. Am I missing something here?!?!?
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so where's the link to this new EO?
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While the TANF work participation requirements are contained in section 407, section 402(a)(1)(A)(iii) requires that the state plan “[e]nsure that parents and caretakers receiving assistance under the program engage in work activities in accordance with section 407.” Thus, HHS has authority to waive compliance with this 402 requirement and authorize a state to test approaches and methods other than those set forth in section 407, including definitions of work activities and engagement, specified limitations, verification procedures, and the calculation of participation rates. As described below, however, HHS will only consider approving waivers relating to the work participation requirements that make changes intended to lead to more effective means of meeting the work goals of TANF.



[link to www.acf.hhs.gov]


You sound as though you doubt it!

Most thinking people have known this was coming under Obama. He will use any means to get votes at the taxpayers' expense.
 Quoting: Bluebird



No, I don't doubt it. O's power grabs are becoming legendary.

However, over the years I have seen several 'fake' bills put up and when looking in thomas.loc.gov found the 'real' bills there... after that, I try to read documents for myself before letting my emotions get in the way.

This article claimed a bunch of stuff with no linke to whitehouse.gov or any other spot. A discerning conspiracy theorist will research before forming an opinion.
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Wait, so he is requiring people to prepare for work and making welfare more temporary? Isn't that a good thing?
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That's not what's happening.

<snip>

"In the past, state bureaucrats have attempted to define activities such as hula dancing, attending Weight Watchers, and bed rest as “work.” Welfare reform instituted work standards to block these dodges.

Now that the Obama administration has abolished those standards, we can expect “work” in the TANF program to mean anything but work..."

</snip>

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Wait, so he is requiring people to prepare for work and making welfare more temporary? Isn't that a good thing?

OP says, "The welfare reform law was very successful. In the four decades prior to welfare reform, the welfare caseload never experienced a significant decline".

Isn't that a BAD thing?! Don't you want the welfare caseload to be smaller?!

The only problem I see is that the unemployment rate is so high and that would present a complication, then people can't qualify for welfare, and you have angry people, etc. Am I missing something here?!?!?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461298


The welfare reform happened under Clinton and was a good thing. It got people off of welfare and back to work. Obama, with the stroke of a pen got rid of it.
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Wait, so he is requiring people to prepare for work and making welfare more temporary? Isn't that a good thing?

OP says, "The welfare reform law was very successful. In the four decades prior to welfare reform, the welfare caseload never experienced a significant decline".

Isn't that a BAD thing?! Don't you want the welfare caseload to be smaller?!

The only problem I see is that the unemployment rate is so high and that would present a complication, then people can't qualify for welfare, and you have angry people, etc. Am I missing something here?!?!?
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No, you've got it backwards unfortunately.

What the article is saying is that he's waiving these requirements due to people's 'temporary need for relief'. Long-lived/permanant temporary relief in other words.

I'm still going to wait until I can read the EO for myself.
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so where's the link to this new EO?
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While the TANF work participation requirements are contained in section 407, section 402(a)(1)(A)(iii) requires that the state plan “[e]nsure that parents and caretakers receiving assistance under the program engage in work activities in accordance with section 407.” Thus, HHS has authority to waive compliance with this 402 requirement and authorize a state to test approaches and methods other than those set forth in section 407, including definitions of work activities and engagement, specified limitations, verification procedures, and the calculation of participation rates. As described below, however, HHS will only consider approving waivers relating to the work participation requirements that make changes intended to lead to more effective means of meeting the work goals of TANF.



[link to www.acf.hhs.gov]


You sound as though you doubt it!

Most thinking people have known this was coming under Obama. He will use any means to get votes at the taxpayers' expense.
 Quoting: Bluebird



No, I don't doubt it. O's power grabs are becoming legendary.

However, over the years I have seen several 'fake' bills put up and when looking in thomas.loc.gov found the 'real' bills there... after that, I try to read documents for myself before letting my emotions get in the way.

This article claimed a bunch of stuff with no linke to whitehouse.gov or any other spot. A discerning conspiracy theorist will research before forming an opinion.
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The link I provided was embedded in the original article so I don't know what youy are talking about no links. Maybe if you had bothered to actually read the article, you too would have found that link just as I did.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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As for the NO RAPTURE people... please do some research before spouting off your lack of information, education or lack of the ability to find out for yourself.

I mean really??? If you are too lazy to find it for yourself in the Bible, there are tons of sources on the internet that will lay it out for you in a simple to understand way. Pretrib rapture WILL occur and will be explained away in various ways. Don't be fooled... if the explanations for the missing people begin... you have probably been left to endure the short time that you have left.

At that time, your choices are extremely limited.
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My God !!!
War on Fathers just went up..
Now things are going to get out of control more in the inner-cities which already have 70-75% of the fathers missing..except that to raise into the 80's+ maybe 90%.
No wonder he didn't go the NAACP meeting, but even if they knew it won't not effected them anyway.
Remember Obama said that he surrounds himself with feminists . The ones that hate
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Wait, so he is requiring people to prepare for work and making welfare more temporary? Isn't that a good thing?

OP says, "The welfare reform law was very successful. In the four decades prior to welfare reform, the welfare caseload never experienced a significant decline".

Isn't that a BAD thing?! Don't you want the welfare caseload to be smaller?!

The only problem I see is that the unemployment rate is so high and that would present a complication, then people can't qualify for welfare, and you have angry people, etc. Am I missing something here?!?!?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461298


No, you've got it backwards unfortunately.

What the article is saying is that he's waiving these requirements due to people's 'temporary need for relief'. Long-lived/permanant temporary relief in other words.

I'm still going to wait until I can read the EO for myself.
 Quoting: tandym


There is NO EO! Just as the article states, this is done by the Official Policy release cited here. Twice. No where does anybody claim this was done by EO other than YOU. HHS released a POLICY DIRECTIVE. No EO necessary with this move.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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Wait, so he is requiring people to prepare for work and making welfare more temporary? Isn't that a good thing?

OP says, "The welfare reform law was very successful. In the four decades prior to welfare reform, the welfare caseload never experienced a significant decline".

Isn't that a BAD thing?! Don't you want the welfare caseload to be smaller?!

The only problem I see is that the unemployment rate is so high and that would present a complication, then people can't qualify for welfare, and you have angry people, etc. Am I missing something here?!?!?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461298


No, you've got it backwards unfortunately.

What the article is saying is that he's waiving these requirements due to people's 'temporary need for relief'. Long-lived/permanant temporary relief in other words.

I'm still going to wait until I can read the EO for myself.
 Quoting: tandym


There is NO EO! Just as the article states, this is done by the Official Policy release cited here. Twice. No where does anybody claim this was done by EO other than YOU. HHS released a POLICY DIRECTIVE. No EO necessary with this move.
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It's probably my bad from the name of the thread. Whoops.
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So this means more can sit around and collect and get fatter and the

expense of those who actually do work?





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