WORLD at WAR, Official 2012 Thread (TO BE CONTINUED) Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Egypt, Libya, Pakistan, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.

good read. thanks!

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Barak hints the US would join Israel in Iran strike
[link to www.jpost.com]



If you read the article it seems more like fluffed up meeting between Barak and US Adm. James Winnefeld to save face from the disastrous meeting last week.
It's also another story that has Barak contradicting something he said in the previous 36 Hours. More disinformation imo. Anyone else sense an increase in dysinfo and psy ops of late?

Perhaps we are far closer to the brink than anyone is even aware of.

EU preparing new sanctions on Iran over nuclear program

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said the new restrictive measures would target "financial, commercial and oil aspects." Something concrete should be ready in time for the next United Nations General Assembly in 10 days, he said. while German's Guido Westerwelle spoke of adopting the sanctions around October 15.

"If they will not come back to the table, then probably the next round is necessary. This is not something for next year, we are talking about next weeks," he said.

[link to www.haaretz.com]

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Yesterday Ahmadinejad complained in public about Iran's crescent economic problems and now has to deal with this new round of sanctions...

The mission: Target Israelis

Iran's Quds Force, widely considered to be Tehran's black-ops arm, executes terror attacks overseas. Encouraged by its success in Burgas, it now has its sights on other destinations.

The Counter Terrorism Bureau has recently reiterated a series of travel advisories urging Israeli tourists to be vigilant in their travels; while also urging countries frequented by Israelis to bolster security; citing that the successful terror attack against Israelis in Burgas will trigger additional attempts.

[link to www.ynetnews.com]

OT (again) - BUT you did call this the World at War thread....

AFRICOM's mouthpiece is talking up the al-Qaeda threat in North Africa

Is Algeria the West's next target (after Syria & Iran)?

Or is AFRICOM simply justifying its FY2014 budget request?

From Mashreq to Maghreb: al-Qaeda shifts focus (Magharebia.com) url shortener/RJ6yzA

Sorry about the link failure - If you are interested in article - goto Magharebia.com select English Language site - the article is on the main page - again apologies for link failure

I dunno many Jewish girls seem to be insecure to me especially about their looks. Trying way too hard, too but that's probably the age thing. But who knows maybe you're right and they mature into confident women.

Nothing wrong with insecurity, per se. All the greats were insecure and ambitious because of it. Especially in the performance arts. Brando, Smoktunovsky, Olivier, Sarah Bernhardt, et al ahhaha oh mercy! Meryl Streep to be the most balanced, but I bet when she was young, she was a wreck, too, LOL.

And then there is the Obama thespianus mirabilis.... :)

I've been thinking today about the US/Israel up coming war games. And, the most recent knife in back from Obama about not helping Israel attack Iran on Israel's timeline.

My thoughts center around the idea of: If I was the leader of Israel and I just got into an almost fist fight with the US representative - what would I be thinking and, more importantly, what would I be doing.

First do I believe the representative? The answer is NO. Do I believe that the US will not give me what I need during the first stages of my attack, Yes. So basically, I can count on the US for support during a counterattack by Iran. This support will come very late in the game. If I (Israel) show any weakness in our attack on Iran this will present opportunities to other Arab country - If I show weakness and they show a willingness to hit me (Israel) with everything they've got, before the US can muster the backbone to act, Israel is destroyed. So what do I do...?

Fact: The US dropped the first couple nukes.

Do I arm my first strike bunker buster with nukes?

DO I set off a few high alt nukes EMPs?

If I (Israel)do this what do I gain?

I scare the shit out of the US. Which means that they will put everything they have into making the pain stop. Every ship, every plane everything they have will be put into play, instantly. No waiting for a decision from Obama.

Do I (Israel) get attacked by any other Arab country thinking that they might have an advantage? NO. They will be scared shitless too.

Hmm..... Seems like if I use nukes in the first strike, it's a win, win for me (Israel).

What do I lose? Well, everyone will hate me. Wait, they already do...

What do you think?

I'd defintely due the high level emp stuff, but nukes on the ground is a no go, that reaction or retaliation may be just as bad or worse if that is possible. The Israelis really have nothing to lose only so much to gain mainy security from a threat to it's very existence as a nation, arab world hates em already, that won't change regardless.

Note that I suggested bunker busters - so basically an underground nuke "test"

Please go into detail as to the retaliation, by Who and How?

Pain, pain, they won't do it. If not attacked, the US military will not go into another blitzkrieg, there won't be an attack on Iran, it will not happen.

If some state will use nukes in an attack on a souvereign nation, the gravity of this world will shift in the seconds after that.

The US will not do that, and Israel will not either. We are not stupid, here in the west. Iran is not stupid either. They are not arabs.

Yes there is a problem with Iran. But it needs to be adressed differently.

And it will.

From that article:

"Those radicals don't care about Libya's security and stability," says Sheikh Waleed. "They just import ideas from Saudi sheikhs, such as Rabee al-Madkhali," he says. "They are even called the 'Madkhaleen,'" he adds.

Ouuups those saudis are "our friends". Looks like we choosed "our friends" very very badly.

Suggestion? Nothing has worked up to this point. If you are suggesting that nukes are unusable - then why is Iran so hellbent on getting them?

I could see Iran pulling out every proxy it's got hell maybe even ones we don't even know about, Egypt could become involved, it may provoke a wmd missile attack from Assad (assuming he's still around if this were to happen) Of course that would be followed by the Israeli reaction which would more than likely be nuclear, once the snowball starts to roll downhill....it is almost impossible to stop it.

The arab world is changing, due to your government.

Nowadays your government is friends with the moslim brother hood and the saudi salafistes.

Perhaps tomorrow you americans will be pal pals with al quaida ? Ahhhh, no, that was 10 years ago.

Anyways, the US government politics fail, and backlash, as always.
Irak:
didn't you spend thousands of american lifes there? But today the Iran supply route to Syria runs through Irak.

And it is like that, :-), we all laugh a bit, things are just great.
Freedom hahahahahaha, but our carriers are very very mean, and our fire power is very very big.

But Iran supply routes run through Irak, point, and once more, your carriers and fire power and the FACT that you where in Irak, didn't serve anything.

You always win battles, but you win no wars. You the US.

The basic fact is, that states and people stay where they are, GIs and marines go away one day, and time is long, and with patience and willing, in time, the tide will turn.

This thinking, and concept, is not at all part of the US doctrine, to go in with big fire power and go out as soon as possible.

The US will vanish one day, religion, allah, and tradition, the true way of life, as it was always, will prevail. God willing. Allah akbahr.

We had wars, in the west. We had big epic wars. In Europe there were wars, which reduced sometimes populations by 80 %.
In the US there was the civil war, a bitter fight, a fight with all means.

But Iran supply routes run through Irak, point, and once more, your carriers and fire power and the FACT that you where in Irak, didn't serve anything.

NOTHING.

This is why I like Aton's posts. He poses things from a geographically different perspective than most in the US have. IMHO the US and Israel and Europe has failed in supporting the Balfour agreement from the beginning. There has never in the history of the world been a "Palestine" and the winners of WWII dictated the state of affairs. That should have been the end of it. The palestinians were given TransJordan and refused it and refused to have Israel in the ME. We should have put our foot down long ago.
"Now look what a mess you've gotten us into Stanley".
The point is that the mess we are in is very largely because of our own doing. How to fix it is a different matter.


note: We've done a similar thing with Illegal immigration.

Last Edited by AkivaJeff on 09/07/2012 08:19 PM

AMEN!!!

I suggest the following: for example for Israel (but for the west in general):

Tell everybody in a brief statement that all pinpoint strikes will stop, that borders are respected, and that you expect that from everybody else.

If there are missiles landing in Sderot incoming from Gaza, for example.

Flatten the place, burn it to the ground, raze the cities.

Then ask in a mildly voice if somebody else would like to send another missile, for example to Sderot ?

I bet there will be nobody sticking their nose out of their hole.

Nobody.

The real root of the problem:
jewish people can co-exist
Christians can co-exist
Muslims CANNOT co-exist.
This is all according to Doctrine.
Lets call a spade a spade.

Liking that train of thought Aton, as far as the US goes we should hold that credo that any act of terrorism against US or it's Allies will come with not only the absolute flattening of the group behind the attack, but any government involved will be dealt with in the "harshest" terms possibly so that "no freedom loving person will ever have to live in fear of any kind of terrorism"

G. CHECK INBOX BUD!!!

got it thanks Steve

paraphrasing Reagan in the 1980's:

"If I was president during Vietnam I would have turned it into a parking lot in 10 minutes flat".

10-4

I am around since some years.

10 years ago, during the first gulf war, there was this US general, every evening, showing how great his pinpoint missiles hit targets and places, with a very high exactitude and pinpoint seperating the dead bad people with the still alive good ones.

This american concept for going to war is wrong. It is bullshit. It is wrong.

First of all, you do not go to war like that. You do not hit somebody in a face just because of an argument or an disagreement or you do not like him.

Second, if you go to war you are determined to win, and that with any price. You win or you are dead. The concept, to pay trillions in weapon systems, to separate in a city the good and the bad is bullshit.

And the concept in Israel to say, we go to war against Hisb but not against Lebanon is bullshit, too.