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Bayou Corne Sinkhole Newest Updates! ~November 10th...

 
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actually i should have said:

the stupid sinkhole/salt-cavern is not important. the sinkhole is
merely a symptom of the real larger problem: which is
the motherload of natural gas that is engulfing all of southern louisiana.
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Todays Fly Over,and interestingly enough, they included the community, shows the command post and hwy 70.











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Do you know who is doing the flyovers?? Why are they selectively posting just portions of the videos?? You can't tell me they're taking a plane up to just fly around for 10 seconds. The videos from when this first started showing up were much longer.
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do you people like to look at photos of the Corne hole?
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is pazassa really steve fuayle?
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Quote 2884

Do you know who is doing the flyovers?? Why are they selectively posting just portions of the videos?? You can't tell me they're taking a plane up to just fly around for 10 seconds. The videos from when this first started showing up were much longer.

Today it was supposed to be State Police. It's a helicopter and they didn't take off from here today like they usually do, so I can only assume it's a gas/money thing. The parish is paying for all of this, not Texas Brine.

I don't think they are being selective in what they show. One day one person wants a certain area shown, and if they don't show that they are accused of not doing it on purpose. The next day someone else wants a different area covered, and if they don't do that, same accusation.

What is it you think they are hiding, or that you want to see? They have many vidoes and they all seem to show different angles.

And once when there were all these "assumptions" over a 7 sec video, then the next day they made a full 2 minute video and people are still suspicious. jeeze.
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is pazassa really steve fuayle?
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Listen, I have already been accused of being this Kendra person and had to look her up. So you will have to tell me who Steve Fuayle is. Otherwise...yes....;-)
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is pazassa really steve fuayle?
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Listen, I have already been accused of being this Kendra person and had to look her up. So you will have to tell me who Steve Fuayle is. Otherwise...yes....;-)
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Hey don't knock Kenra Wilkinson(I think is her last name), she was the only real voice for the people in LA with the whole BP thing in the gulf. She was an advocate for the people there, and the Parish President at the time.
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is pazassa really steve fuayle?
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Listen, I have already been accused of being this Kendra person and had to look her up. So you will have to tell me who Steve Fuayle is. Otherwise...yes....;-)
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Hey don't knock Kenra Wilkinson(I think is her last name), she was the only real voice for the people in LA with the whole BP thing in the gulf. She was an advocate for the people there, and the Parish President at the time.
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where is she now?
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is pazassa really steve fuayle?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25383228


Listen, I have already been accused of being this Kendra person and had to look her up. So you will have to tell me who Steve Fuayle is. Otherwise...yes....;-)
 Quoting: Patassa


Hey don't knock Kenra Wilkinson(I think is her last name), she was the only real voice for the people in LA with the whole BP thing in the gulf. She was an advocate for the people there, and the Parish President at the time.
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It's Kendra Areneson, and I am not knocking her what so ever, but I saw someone say she was on BPs payroll later and they were comparing me to that accusation. I had to LOL when I saw that.
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is pazassa really steve fuayle?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25383228


Listen, I have already been accused of being this Kendra person and had to look her up. So you will have to tell me who Steve Fuayle is. Otherwise...yes....;-)
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Hey don't knock Kenra Wilkinson(I think is her last name), she was the only real voice for the people in LA with the whole BP thing in the gulf. She was an advocate for the people there, and the Parish President at the time.
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1rof1 stop, the stupid hurts!!
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The only sinkholes I've ever seen weren't filled with water? Can someone explain how the water isn't draining out of the area...1dunno1
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I'll try...give me aminute.
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Okay, sorry, was looking through videos. The sinkhole is filled with and staying full because ALL of that area is water. All that pretty green is what we call rush, hedge or swamp grass. It's a grass that grows in mucky muddy mushy mud or very shallow water. It is easily displaced because of shallow roots. What looks like dry land one day, make look like a pond, or another sinkhole, as has been implied, the next day.

Most sink holes you see are dry because they happen on dry land. None of this is dry land and only accessible by airboat or building roads and foundations. If you watch through some of the videos, you will see that all the pads and roads are built up and you will see NO equipment off of these built up areas, and that's because it's all water. Add to that all the rain we have had and the sinkhole is acting like any other pond once full. When it rains a lot, it overflows and expands it's perimeters making it look bigger than it is.

When the sinkhole happened, obviously water from the cavern cameup, but the swamp also flowed in to it. All of those trees are bald cypress trees that you normally see growing IN water.

Also, that area that looks like a road, is not a road, but a pipeline corridor, which previsouly was only accessible by airboat. a road can NOT be built over a pipeline corridor.

Here is assumptions parish youtube site with many many videos and you can look through them all and see what I mean.


[link to www.youtube.com]
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all of this comotion over a little stream....sheashhuffy
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They need to stop calling this a sinkhole.. the term sinkhole applies to a naturally occurring anomaly that's noticeably larger then a pothole, yet easily rectified with a small construction crew and few round mouth shovels.

This is a man made cluster-fuck thousands of feet wide and hundreds of feet deep that could ultimately set most of the Northern Hemisphere on fire..

This catastrophic failure belongs to a corporation that is intent on deflecting responsibility & it has absolutely no compassion for the human factors at risk.

Time to storm the offices of Texas Brine.. bring rope and have the receptionist pick which executive to dangle over the hole.

They'd have a solution on the table in a matter of hours..
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They need to stop calling this a sinkhole.. the term sinkhole applies to a naturally occurring anomaly that's noticeably larger then a pothole, yet easily rectified with a small construction crew and few round mouth shovels.

This is a man made cluster-fuck thousands of feet wide and hundreds of feet deep that could ultimately set most of the Northern Hemisphere on fire..

This catastrophic failure belongs to a corporation that is intent on deflecting responsibility & it has absolutely no compassion for the human factors at risk.

Time to storm the offices of Texas Brine.. bring rope and have the receptionist pick which executive to dangle over the hole.

They'd have a solution on the table in a matter of hours..
 Quoting: b|ink 10463447


THERE IS NO SOLUTION TO THIS MESS!

Stalling is their strategy...how quickly we forget! redface
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Quote 2884

Do you know who is doing the flyovers?? Why are they selectively posting just portions of the videos?? You can't tell me they're taking a plane up to just fly around for 10 seconds. The videos from when this first started showing up were much longer.

Today it was supposed to be State Police. It's a helicopter and they didn't take off from here today like they usually do, so I can only assume it's a gas/money thing. The parish is paying for all of this, not Texas Brine.

I don't think they are being selective in what they show. One day one person wants a certain area shown, and if they don't show that they are accused of not doing it on purpose. The next day someone else wants a different area covered, and if they don't do that, same accusation.

What is it you think they are hiding, or that you want to see? They have many vidoes and they all seem to show different angles.

And once when there were all these "assumptions" over a 7 sec video, then the next day they made a full 2 minute video and people are still suspicious. jeeze.
 Quoting: Patassa



I think that when the videos are so abbreviated we're not getting a clear picture of how bad this is. I noticed in one of the videos today that what looks like a passthrough for a pipeline is almost completely gone into the sinkhole ... and then the video ended.

I, personally, just start to orient myself as to which direction I'm facing ... I'm lousy with N-S-E-W directions (my brother got that gene) ... and the video ends.

I think that the purpose of the videos is to show progression over time. If you're not looking at the same views for the same length of time, you can't really get an accurate picture from a distance.

I watched a video a few days ago on youtube and my first thought was "that's not current". At the end he said it was from sometime in August. I felt like I'd been punched in the gut. There's been such a huge difference between August and October.

These videos are not just because Joe#1 or Joe#2 wants a quick look. This is gonna turn out to be historical documentation of a tragedy and it should be accurate.

Thanks for listening.
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barbtoo, here is the Assumption Parish Youtube site that has all their videos.

Once you clck on one video you will see right above the video how many total they have, and you can click on "see all videos". There are many many videos that show the entire sinkhole as well as surrounding area. Some are just longer than others.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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barbtoo, here is the Assumption Parish Youtube site that has all their videos.

Once you clck on one video you will see right above the video how many total they have, and you can click on "see all videos". There are many many videos that show the entire sinkhole as well as surrounding area. Some are just longer than others.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Thanks, Patassa. I've subscribed to that channel.

Appreciate it.
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They simply should drill in the center of the sinkhole to get rid of the matter.
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8:00 p.m. DNR News Release
October 11, 2012 //NEWS RELEASE
www.dnr.louisiana.gov


For Immediate Release
Thursday, Oct. 11, 2012
Contact: Phyllis Darensbourg, 225.342.0058

Office of Conservation Orders Texas Brine To Assess And Abate Natural Gas In Bayou Corne Area

Order draws from scientific evidence that shows Texas Brine cavern failure led to crude oil and natural gas reaching surface

BATON ROUGE – Louisiana Commissioner of Conservation James Welsh today ordered Texas Brine LLC to take action to assess and abate threats to public safety and the environment caused by the failure of its abandoned brine cavern on the west side of the Napoleonville Salt Dome, including the presence of natural gas in the area ground water aquifer.

Welsh said that order is based on analysis by the Office of Conservation and expert consultants with the Office’s contracted agent, Shaw Environmental and Infrastructure, and came as a result of the latest information from sampling and testing of water, natural gas bubbling sites, the sinkhole area and the contents and structure of the failed cavern, along with previously developed data on conditions in and around the salt dome and Bayou Corne area.

Welsh noted that, based on “fingerprint” analysis and other data, the source of the crude oil and natural gas that have been observed at the surface in the Bayou Corne area appears to be one or more naturally occurring oil and natural gas formations, and that the preponderance of scientific evidence indicates that the failure of the sidewall of the Texas Brine cavern provided a pathway up to the aquifer and the surface for oil and natural gas that had previously been confined thousands of feet below.

“We have been driven by scientific data in all of our efforts to determine the cause of the natural gas found in the aquifer, the formation of the sinkhole, and the presence of crude oil found on the surface of the sinkhole,” Welsh said.

As part of additional requirements for Texas Brine under the existing Declaration of Emergency and Directive, the company is required first and foremost to “undertake any and all necessary actions to assess for and abate threats to safety and the environment, including the natural gas in the aquifer.”

In addition, Texas Brine is ordered to:
Maintain stability of pressure in the failed cavern to prevent additional changes to the cavern or sinkhole due to pressure changes
Install monitoring wells in the Bayou Corne community to monitor water quality and pressures, as well as elevation benchmarks within the community for subsidence monitoring
Install pressure monitor at wellhead of the cavern re-entry well, designed to provide real-time data to parish emergency response agencies of any rapid pressure change
Upgrade and expand seismic monitoring array to cover a wider area and include real-time data processing and interpretation of micro-seismic data, with seismic data reported in real-time to parish emergency response agencies
Install continuous water level monitoring station at the sinkhole
Collect and interpret geophysical data to determine the exact structure of the zone of failure and its impact on the surface and subsurface
Welsh said that the Office of Conservation is also continuing the effort, in coordination with Shaw Environmental, to establish and expand the array of observation/vent wells to provide for removal of natural gas found in the aquifer near the Bayou Corne community.

“Establishing how natural gas reached the aquifer and what caused the formation of the sinkhole was an important step in the process, but the work is not yet done. We will continue to hold Texas Brine accountable and ensure that this work is completed as quickly as possible, in a manner that protects their safety and the environment,” Welsh said.


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You're welcome barbtoo!

Here is the main link to the parish website that takes you to many other pages of information.

Hover over Bayou Corne/Grand Bayou Sinkhole

[link to assumptionla.com]

or go to the 3rd link, Parish Blog

[link to assumptionla.com]

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dang op, that is real doom. I read that they are taking two weeks to produce the results of the samples of bubbles.

Two weeks?

Hoping all is well and this just passes with no injuries.
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dang op, that is real doom. I read that they are taking two weeks to produce the results of the samples of bubbles.

Two weeks?

Hoping all is well and this just passes with no injuries.
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yeah, just like they did with the gulf incident

you saw how well that turned out
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10:45 a.m. Updated Sinkhole Dimensions Map
October 14, 2012


An updated map of the sinkhole with dimensions has been uploaded to the parish website. You can view the photo at:

[link to www.edsuite.com]

Previous dimentions 09/22/12

[link to www.edsuite.com]

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Updated salt Dome Map

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Updated Vent Well Map

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folks just look at the RED pinned threads today!

Texas
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and the BP still leaking well

they can not be anything but connected.

this is the area where this country stores all the oil reserves!

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OP says it's from the rednecks taking a shit in the water.
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9:55 a.m. Update- DNR Order Deadlines

October 15, 2012

Below is a summary of the directives that Texas Brine was ordered to perform in DNR’s Third Amendment to the Declaration of Emergency & Directives (issued on 10/11/2012)…

On or before Tuesday, October 16, 2012:

1. Texas Brine must provide Dept. of Conservation with a plan for installing and monitoring additional Geoprobe wells to monitor water quality/ pressures in the Bayou Corne community; install & monitor permanent elevation benchmark at each Geoprobe well location by a professional licensed surveyor;

2. Texas Brine must provide Dept. of Conservation with a plan to install a continuous pressure monitor on Oxy Geismar #3- to monitor pressure and provide for telemetry monitoring of this pressure. This telemetry shall be reported in real time to the Assumption OEP , the Assumption Parish Sheriff’s Office, and the Office of Conservation to notify them if any rapid pressure changes that indicate changing conditions in the cavern;

On or before Friday, October 19, 2012:

1. Texas Brine must provide Dept. of Conservation with a plan to install a permanent continuous water level monitoring station near the edge of the sinkhole. This station shall include a sensor and recording system for monitoring and recording the water levels and a staff gauge for visual observation of water elevation or depth. The data from this station shall be downloaded weekly and forwarded to Dept. of Conservation on a weekly basis;

2. Texas Brine must provide Dept. of Conservation with a plan to evaluate the alluvial aquifer water production, groundwater flow, sinkhole chlorides, TDS (Total Dissolved Salinity) and hydrocarbon migration and to mitigate adverse impacts to aquifer sustainability from use of Texas Brine Company LLC’s water wells;

On or before Thursday, October 25, 2012:

1. Texas Brine must provide Dept. of Conservation with a plan to implement a seismic monitoring and notification system to allow for real time data processing and interpretation of micro-seismic data. The current array should be expanded as necessary to assess the current stability of the collapse zone. The seismic data shall be reported in real time to the Assumption OEP , the Assumption Parish Sheriff’s Office, and the Office of Conservation to notify them of sudden changes in the cavern or surrounding the sinkhole;

2. Texas Brine must begin installing the groundwater observation/vent well in the vicinity of the core-hole where the ten-feet of gas in the aquifer was observed;

On or before Tuesday, November 13, 2012:

1. Texas Brine must provide Dept. of Conservation with a plan to collect, interpret, and report geophysical data that will determine the nature and extent of the collapse structure from the base of the original cavern to the ground surface. This geophysical data may include (but not is limited to) vertical seismic profiling, cross-hole seismic and tomography, and 3D seismic.
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Flyover 10/15/2012







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bump Thanks OPie.... hugs
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Patassa,
I asked on another thread whether anyone knows the whereabouts of Kindra Arnesen. She was very vocal, but it seems that she has been silenced? Do you know anything about what has happened with her? She had proclaimed that she would fight BP to her dying breath... but then her husband's shrimp business closed, she lost her restaurant, and the family health was shot to pieces from the situation with the BP spill. Last thing I have found about her was something about an email where she said they were evacuating (after she had said she would not leave her people and her community)..... Can't find anythig since.
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Patassa,
I asked on another thread whether anyone knows the whereabouts of Kindra Arnesen. She was very vocal, but it seems that she has been silenced? Do you know anything about what has happened with her? She had proclaimed that she would fight BP to her dying breath... but then her husband's shrimp business closed, she lost her restaurant, and the family health was shot to pieces from the situation with the BP spill. Last thing I have found about her was something about an email where she said they were evacuating (after she had said she would not leave her people and her community)..... Can't find anythig since.
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here she is still doing what she does...
and all into the sinker in La....telling everyone in the state to leave!
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