Election Fraud: Fact or Fiction?

Fact or Fiction?
Fiction this year
Romney lost it because of his stupid politics

Fact year 1990
Bush stole the election with Florida electoral Fraud

Otherwise I do not see any real fraud But I do think they should change the Electoral College votes to be 1 vote for every so many votes maybe winner for each county
Something has to change to make the election fair and not make the large states decide every election.
Perhaps also PUT A LIMIT ON CONGRESS AND SENATE to only one reelection and take away from lifetime politicians to only two terms to give new people and new ideas instead of the corporations running the Congress and Senate

LOOK FOR MISSING WHITES.

According to Gallup, white turnout was supposed to be 78%. Somehow it ended up being only 72%. Where did they go?

Here's my 2 cents worth of information concerning Election Day in OH.

At 11:12 p.m., major networks including CBS NEWS decided to call the state of Ohio for Obama which gave the win in the election to him.

A few minutes later (approx. 11:25 p.m.), FOX News followed suit with the other major networks and called Ohio for Obama and awarded the election win to Obama.

A 11:28 p.m., right after FOX NEWS called the state of OH for Obama, FOX News' Contributer and former Bush campaign strategist, Karl Rove, stated on air that in his expert opinion calling the state of Ohio for Obama at that time was most definitively premature.

At 11:32 p.m., FOX NEWS' Brett Baer made a statement that he had been in telephone contact with the Romney camp and they were not buying the call of OH being given to Obama and, thus, no one would be walking up to a podium to accept the win anytime soon.

At 11:34 p.m., in response to Karl Roves protestations and the lack of consensus regarding OH expressed by the Romney camp, FOX NEWS interviewed the FOX NEWS election Decision Room experts on air to determine what their collective opinion was in comparison to that of Karl Rove. The Decision Room experts claimed that they were 99.95% sure that OH would go to Obama and that is why they had approved of calling the state of OH for Obama a few minutes earlier.

A 11:36 p.m., FOX Decision Desk experts were asked why they had such high certitude regarding their decision, they responded by saying that most of the votes cast in Cayahoga County (Cleveland) in OH had not yet been counted and SURELY MOST OF THESE VOTES UWOULD BE DEMOCRATIC.

At 11:43 p.m., FOX NEWS' Brett Baer and Megan Kelly asked Carl Rove to provide additional explanation for his analysis of the situation regarding the call on OH. Rove explained that at the time the state of OH was called for Obama by FOX NEWS, both Obama and Romney each had 49% of the vote and only 990 votes separated them.

Megan Kelly then asked Karl Rove how he felt about the FOX Decision Desk expressing a certitude of 99.95% concerning the call of OH to Obama. Rove explained that he did not agree with their stance because at the time OH was called for Obama (unlike what the Decision Desk experts said was TRUE), there were only about 200,000 votes yet to come in from Cayahoga county (Cleveland, a Democrat stronghold). At the same time, there were still 1.2 million more votes cast in OH to count. Additionally, a big chunk of the outstanding votes that were yet to come in were from Hamilton County (a Republican stronghold) and Delaware County (Republican stronghold too).

Rove then went on to explain that at the time OH was called for Obama, every 2% of the vote that came in Romney was gaining on Obama 0.5% and 60% of the voting precincts in Cayahoga County had reported, so with 23% of the vote outsanding, there was no trend to support calling the state of OH at that time for either candidate.

Following a short ommercial break, FOX NEWS' Brett Baer then stated that after further consultation with the Decision Desk experts FOX NEWS was going to stand behind their decision to call the state of OH for Obama and the election win for Obama.

Soon after that, FOX NEWS put on an older statisician who had more years of doing what Karl Rove does who proceeded to talk to Karl Rove on air. It was obvious that this older more experienced FOX NEWS consultant had been brought on air to "put Karl Rove in his place" and get him to back off of his position concerning the prematurity of the call of the state of OH for Obama.

Although Rove turned down his rhetoric, he was careful to again emphasize that at the time OH was called for Obama only 990 votes (less than 2 one-hundredths of the total votes cast) separated the two candidates in OH.

At the time Rove toned down his rhetoric, Romney was leading Obama in the popular vote nationwide by 123,000. Rove pointed out that that number of votes was less than the margin of votes that separated GWB and Gore at the end of the 2000 election cycle.

The last two things I'll add are:

About 5 p.m. on election day it was announced on the news that two judges (a Republican and a Democrat I believe) were removed from a voting precinct in OH with the reason given that a group of Pentecostal Christians had shown up at that precinct to vote but were not on the official role and they were allowed to vote with regular ballots rather than provisional ballots.

Also at about 5 p.m. on election day I saw a GLP thread which I believe quoted a Drudge story which claimed that some people (associated with the Democratic Party) had shown up at one or more voting precincts in OH (Republican areas) and had applied some sort of a computer "patch" to the electronic voting machines that were present which made a certain percentage of votes cast for Romney come up as having been cast for Obma instead.

Well, that's about all that I am aware of.

The answers you are looking for are here:

+compare numbers from 2008 (Mccain/Palin vs Obama/Biden)
county by county. Any similarities?

+diebold (KRove & the dregs of Pax Americana)

vs

SCYTL / SOE and Argentina Black Box voting machines and algos.

Sounds a lot like the 2000 and 2004 elections. Bush, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, the players change, but the game remains the same. It doesn't matter if they are Repub or Dem, they will never hold the other side accountable because they don't want people digging around in their own backyard. They're all criminals. Period. And they are all ultimately on the same side, serving the same people.

Sounds a lot like the 2000 and 2004 elections. Bush, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, the players change, but the game remains the same. It doesn't matter if they are Repub or Dem, they will never hold the other side accountable because they don't want people digging around in their own backyard. They're all criminals. Period. And they are all ultimately on the same side, serving the same people.

[link to www.blackboxvoting.org]

Thread: WHERE DID 16 MILLION WHITE VOTES GO????

This is a great one as well.

I will try to link all of these threads here as this progresses, but I'm guessing that there will be a number of them in the coming days and weeks.

The missing whites aren't missing per se, they were 'no shows'.

The no shows are lower middle class men, skilled trades, and educated who no longer identify with a Afro/Hispanic-centric President . They voted for him in 2008 because a black President brought a novel thrill to a demographic wanting to prove they were both enlightened and progressive. 4 years later those same 'missing' white voters are still unemployed / underemployed, in bankruptcy, their families breaking under the demands of a passive-aggressive socialist Administration. IMO, many struggled greatly with the notion of a wealthy Mormon at the helm. They felt the only choice they had was to make no choice at all. A silent protest if you will.

The Republicans did NOT lose the election, Mitt Romney did.

Voters in Florida were still waiting to cast their ballots more than six hours after polls closed on Election Day..
Many reports of running out of ballots mostly in GOP areas .
Many left and did not vote.

Consider the 2010 turnout that was devastating for democrats. I believe the 2012 should have been the same or more. Obama should have lost to a landslide.

Something stinks.

I just heard on local radio that our little county (98,000) still hasn't counted 15,000 votes. They also said that California hasn't counted 4 million votes.

[link to knco.com]

Also they announced on radio news that they found 17 ballots that had already been counted but were scrutinized closer in a recount and they were found to be invalid. But they announced that since it wouldn't change the outcome of the election they weren't going to deduct them.

The 4 million uncounted votes in California won't make a difference but what if other states (swing states & states that were close) have that many or more to count yet?

I did not vote for Romney but he was cheated. The fraud was flagrant and widespread. I just hope there is some journalistic will to get this story out.