When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!

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This is only speculation. Because I amdit don't know for certain.

Let's say a boss is about to fire, or promote you.

He may show you things you did right / wrong [life review].

As you're boss is showing / telling you this, your conscious may then feel good / bad about this [self-judgement]. However, this doesn't mean, the boss isn't also judging you at the same time, but you don't know your boss's feelings / decision / judgment about you.

This could also be used, as a warning / caution. For example, when Howard Storm, was given his life review. He saw scenes of things he did both right and wrong. From this, he learned from the experience / life-review, and then corrected the bad choices he made in the past.

Hell is not an easy concept for me to come to terms with. However, as already stated, some of the strongest and best NDE cases, where veridical is obtained from deceased family members, confirms the existence of hell.

These cases are even stronger, in my opinion, than Pam's case, in which veridical was not obtained about the deceased but rather limited to her surroundings.

There's a good NDE by a lawyer, Nanci Danison (she's a non-Christian and wrote 'Backwards: returning to our source for answers'. From what she found, the realm was influenced by her thoughts. For example, as she thought of a pasture, a pasture then appeared.

This is why, I believe the veridical info about the deceased in the NDE is so important. This helps rule out, that the experience was not merely based on beliefs / expectations.

Not only this, but other areas of study, such as Demonology confirms hell. Again, I use the same high criteria (veridical info), when examining legit possessions, to rule out the person isn't merely suffering from a mental illness. In these legit cases, hell is further confirmed.

Hell was tailor-made for Satan and the fallen angels. They are in the 2nd heaven right now. The 2nd heaven is a dimension that 'blends' with our human/earthly experience. These fallen entities have taken up residence here and are hell bent on a mission to bring misery to the flesh.

It seems that since their original rebellion ages ago they can no longer rebel. They don't find pleasure in hurting humanity, only a diminished sense of satisfaction.

In the end-time judgement Satan and the other fallen are thrown into Hell also. Hell has keepers. They are considered like officers of a prison. They do their job and aren't evil. They work for God.

When Satan and the fallen get cast into the oven with countless millions of human souls already there they will suffer the way every human that ever ended up there has.

But they aren't there yet... dumbass.

Anhedonic - your patience, calm approach and expanded awareness is always a joy to read - your comments in this thread included :)

There are many that may never see past their definitions/belief systems and spend lifetimes in contracted consciousness - if that's their journey, then so be it, BUT wanting to scare others into believing those slanted and one-sided definitions thru fear, enslavement, guilt, etc., - well, let's just say, I'm glad there's folks like you around to give 'more of the story' and really get into the tough questions!!

Kismet

No one is powerful or great except God. Let's get that straight. You are a filthy wretch of a mortal who deserves destruction for many things, not the least of which is your insolence and hubris. You might learn a lesson from Lucifer's error in this regard. Beware.

What I am trying to convey to you is that 'heaven' and 'hell' are not specific places/locations, they are generalized terms for states of consciousness. Please reference this post of mine for a detailed explanation of what I mean by this:

Thread: REVERSED KUNDALINI (Page 4)

The evil thread is evil. /hugs for a better outcome.

After examining multiple cases, I say it's indeed a specific location, due to highly unique details, that all people are seeing.

For example, when many saw hell in their NDEs, and oftentimes also seeing demons tormenting people. They all stated, they smelled a foul sulfur stench.

In addition, from my study of demonology, exorcists and even paranormal investigators, state that demons smelled like sulfur.

The Bible speaks of a lake of fire burning with sulfur, and people would be tormented with sulfur.

A lady after her suicide attempt, stated she was taken to hell. As she felt the fires of hell, she stated if felt like burning sulfuric acid.

When many seen heaven, including some of the very best and strongest NDE cases, where veridical info is obtained, they stated, the flowers were singing. And many added, the flowers were singing praises to God.

From all these elements aligning perfectly and people seeing the same thing, is statistically beyond chance. And is strong evidence that this is an actual location.

Thread: The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either

Let me also add, two of the very best cases, that contained a lot of veridical about the deceased. In these two cases (although there's even more than than these two), both saw the four living creatures around God, as described in no other religion or book, except the the Bible, and in the book of Ezekial.

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If our Universe is made up of as many as 10 dimensions (or more), where do you suppose 'heaven' & 'hell' are located? If these are finite/specific locations, what lies in the other dimensions of existence? In your heaven/hell dichotomy, how does one come to experience the different energetic realms?

Lastly, how does one obtain 'veridical' information while in hell? Does a 'demon' show up and provide inside information?

The Neurosurgeon who made the news recently is giving radio interviews about his NDE experience and he believes he knows what others are describing when they allege to have experienced 'hell'. He doesn't believe that a specific place called 'hell' exists based on what he experienced. Worth the listen:

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Ahh...I see you're also aware of the quantum physicists' M-theory.

Let me touch upon, multiple dimensions, that may exceed more than 10.

This comes from a woman, who received the tremendous amount of veridical. So again, this helps to rule out imaginations / beliefs, etc.

This woman was revealed a lot about heaven. While in heaven, she came across a door in a park. It was floating by itself with no support. While in this park, she walked into into the door, a whole another dimension / realm was revealed.

She states, there can be many places within a single place.

How do you obtain veridical while in hell? There's 4 specific cases, in which veridical info was obtained about the deceased in heaven. From this, we can conclude, the experience was not imagined.

For these 4 people, a lot was revealed not only about heaven, but also hell. 2 of the 4, were told that hell existed. The other two, were led to hell, and confirmed of its existence. These two, also saw people being tormented by demons. So again, due to the veridical info, this shows the entire experience was not imagined. In these 4 cases, they didn't do anything wrong (e.g. like the suicide attempt / NDE I mentioned in the previous post). What's a possible purpose for this? In another NDE, a man was shown hell. He was told the reason, he was shown this was to warn others, since many, and even many Christians don't believe in it.

I listened to 2 neurosurgeons so far, regarding the NDEs. Notice however, they will not mention or even know about the veridical info about the deceased, that some cases are reporting. I would very much like to hear their attempt at explaining this. At my university, I had research and analysis classes, and even I can't give a secular explanation.

Fucking A!

Btw, I already posted a vid, about that same neurosurgeon last month:
Thread: Neurosurgeon, has an NDE during a coma, personally confirms consciousness exists outside the brain!

Also, this even gives further weight to the 4 veridical cases. 2 of those 4 stated, out of the countless paintings of Jesus, both agree there's only painting of him, that actually looks like him.

The painting was done by a child prodigy, Akiane. She painted a picture of Jesus when she was only 8. She states she had visions of Jesus and heaven.

In addition, both state seeing the exact same eye color.