Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

Do a study on Jesus 'roots' or lineage and you'll see that he is the ONLY righteous 'Branch' of the human race coming from the root of Jesse.

Rev 22:16:
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am "the root" and "the offspring" of David, and the bright and morning star.
your mistaken friend. Jesus is "the root" and "the offspring" of David...the branch here is neither the root or the offspring but comes from "the root"(JESUS)

Isaiah 11:1 A shoot will come out of the stock of Jesse, and a branch out of his roots will bear fruit.

Jesus said he is the vine and we are the branches:
John 15:5:
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

read this and you will see:
Thread: AMAZING REVELATION!!! THE WHOLE BIBLE IS ABOUT JESUS AND THE WHOLE BIBLE IS ABOUT ADAM

Jesus is the 'root' in Rev.22:16 because root in this passage is referring to his deity in that he created David, 'offspring' is referring to his humanity in that he is the human descendant of David.

Look up 'tender shoot', what all do you come up with?

Waterman - Here's a well known chapter - Isaiah 53 - prophecying of Jesus death, the 2nd verse refers to Jesus as a 'tender plant' and as a 'root'.

For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.Isa.53:2

Isaiah 11:
11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

The root is Jesus and the branch is coming out of the root...Jesus is not the branch Jesus is the root that the branch is coming out of

If you read this thread I have clearly explained the difference and you should be able to see it if you read this thread:
Thread: AMAZING REVELATION!!! THE WHOLE BIBLE IS ABOUT JESUS AND THE WHOLE BIBLE IS ABOUT ADAM

Jeremiah 23:5-8 Settles It - The Branch is called THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS!

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shll be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.keep reading, it's the same Lord who brought them out of Egypt and has since brought them from the North country and every country and any day now will bring them out of the USA(babylon) when they come out of her my people.

If you read my other thread you would see that Jesus' firstborn(ADAM) who is higher than all the sons of God is the Branch and is King of the world. If one of Adams names is THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS then that is why JESUS IS CALLED "LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS" because Jesus makes his first born a LORD OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND KING OF THE WORLD. Here again is the thread if you get time to read it:
Thread: AMAZING REVELATION!!! THE WHOLE BIBLE IS ABOUT JESUS AND THE WHOLE BIBLE IS ABOUT ADAM

Last Edited by waterman on 11/26/2012 06:52 PM

Waterman -
we ALL have made mistakes with the scripture.....

That's why we have each other.... those who've lived before and studied through the same things.... and those who are studying currently.

I'm sure I'm wrong about some things in the Bible right now too .....

BUT THE KEY IS HUMILITY...AND LISTENING TO EACH OTHER... AND ADMITING WHEN WE ARE WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING...

Jeremiah 23:5-8 Proves that THE BRANCH is THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS,

Adam wont execute Judgement and isn't THE LORD and ADAM ISN'T OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS -

- JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD

- JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS

- JESUS CHRIST IS THE KING

- JESUS HAS BEEN GIVEN ALL JUDGEMENT

not Adam

Sorry friend we are going to have to agree to disagree. Being Jesus is the "KING OF KING AND LORD OF LORDS" Then Jesus has to be a "KING" to someone who is a "KING" and LORD to someone who is a "LORD" otherwise scripture is wrong and I'll believe your wrong before I will believe scripture is wrong. The last day servant(Adam) teaches the people righteousness(and will receive the title "LORD OF RIGHTEOUSNESS") in the end and will receive the title "LORD OF RIGHTEOUSNESS" so the scripture can be fulfilled that JESUS is "THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS"

psalms 75 shows ADAM receiving the congregation. In order to receive something it had to not have been yours and the congregation was always JESUS' so it is showing ADAM, Jesus' firstborn will receive the whole church:

75 Unto thee, O God, do we give thanks, unto thee do we give thanks: for that thy name is near thy wondrous works declare.

2 When I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly.

Last Edited by waterman on 11/26/2012 07:48 PM

Why do you assume that waterman has made a mistake. He has not spoken against the Lord of Lords or the King of Kings. neither has he relegated Jesus to a lower office. He has only elevated a creation of the Lord to a higher position than others have ever seen before. You are like the critics in Jesus' time. Claiming he was seeking an office as God that was not rightfully given him. When all along it was given to him by his Father. Why can't you see scripture as it appears and not as you have been conditioned to believe. Nevertheless, it is still the same; man sees God as themselves, Egotistical, never believing in the goodness of God and his generosity.
Behold, a man sits next to the King on the day of judging the sheep and the goats! (Matt.25:31 KJV.) This man's name is also Son of man, he also will come in glory, but notice he comes with (not with his) holy angels. They are not called HIS holy angels as when it speaks about Jesus at His different appearances! He is holding three separate offices Son of man, ashepard, and a judge. However, he is not the King. The goats do not appeal to that Son of man. or that judge, or that shepard, little s, but to the King, capital K. this shepard sits on the right hand of the King and so both groups (sheep and goats) would be on both the (shepard's,judge,and Son of man's) and (the King's) right and left hand sides. For they would both (judge and King) be facing the same directions side by side! Now I know you are not conditioned to see beyond what you have been told, but do not be too quick to judge waterman before you have more of a concept of the depth of Gods goodness in sharing the powers of His kingdom with his Son; and Jesus in like manner with His child!

Not before the whole of Jer:25 is fulfilled, equal to the sheep/goats judgment of Matthew 25. Then the celebration of Jer:31 can take place. (other passages enhance what that chapter covers in general terms as in a list of events but not given the finer details of the events)

The Gospel being taken to the world is only supposed to actually gather only 1/3 of the living and the whole group in Re:20:4 is not very big compared to 'the rest'. However that left out group id still saved, something like many people before Noah will be saved because of the 8 that were saved.

2/3 are slated to live outside the wall of New Jerusalem, that is why they have a different path than the ones that will live inside the city walls.

Make the 70 weeks in Da: as being completed as part of the verses in the previous chapter as being Rome and it happening in the brass and the choices are pretty few in what means what.

Last Edited by MHz on 11/27/2012 05:13 AM

It seems that waterman in the eyes of those who sit on the shorelines are fearful that he is treading in dangerous waters. These are the waters in which the Spirit of God works best in! You say it's all about Jesus (Bless is most holy name).

Well that is what David also thought until the Word of God (Jesus) revealed to him another man hidden from understanding (2Sam.7:12-29KJV). This upset David's doctrinal view point, so dramatically that he cried out, saying, is this the manner of man(2Sam.7:19). In other words king David is seeing a man in this prophetic vision given to him by God, so exalted that he does not believe God would exalt a man (human being to such a high position, he declares, is this a man,(a human being, we are talking about here!) This was someone he (David) did not recognize. Now he knew his own heir who was next to reign, was not who the prophecy was speaking about, no it was not him for this promise was to appear long after both him and his heir were dead. This prophecy was to be fulfilled, after a great while to come and he only knew him as his name was called (GOD'S SERVANT),(2Sam.7:19,20,21,25-29 KJV). He also Knew that it was not his Lord and the coming Messiah (JESUS)! For he had seen Him in other visions and prophetic utterances and declared Him as Lord, and he would have recognized Him! No this one was destined to become the ruler of God's house (The Whole Kingdom)! Now do you understand why David could hardly take in the concept of what was being revealed to him! That one day God was going to entrust into the hands of a human being created by his own command, the whole Kingdom of the Most High!!! Hard to believe, but God's Word does not lie. Listen to waterman. he may very well have stumbled upon a truth whose time has come. This does not take from God's glory, but adds to the depth of God's goodness of his trust in His creation. To entrust the Kingdom of God into the hands of a human being forever, is an act beyond imagination!! The whole of all creation in the hands of a man!!! Something not seen by the eye, nor heard by the ear. That is how God operates. He does the unexpected!!! Let waterman ramble on. If the message be of God it shall prosper, and if Satan, it shall cease.

All was entrusted into the Hands of His SON. Would not the same act be done by the SON, to His son, a human (last Adam).

Did I *say* not to read it? My advice stands. Christianity Inc. is the epitome of shallow ignorance, and some scriptural foundation (concerning actual spiritual matters) might do us some good instead of dwelling on "who's The Antichrist" or "when is the Rapture™ " or any number of other sensational and irrelevant goose-chases.

Ever notice how many pseudo-christian cults involve preoccupation with end times events? The unhealthiest loons among us are more often than not obsessed with Revelation (and in many cases, it's because all they care about is saving their carnal butt).

So very true. Pseudo-Christianity and any form of that institutional belief is just another form of so many cults. Nevertheless, do not allow these groups to conceal those who truly know their God and through that experience desire to see others saved, even their whole anatomy. True Christianity, is discovering the salvation, from that which you had no hope of escaping; and that all other forms of eleemosynary offers had only lead to further imprisonment. I pray that you also might discover the freedom of that true reality, if you have not yet experienced it.

Faith: not wanting to know what is true.

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands.

Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man.

In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.

In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.

When one has not had a good father, one must create one.

Fear is the mother of morality.

The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad.

I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.

Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?

Every church is a stone on the grave of a god-man: it does not want him to rise up again under any circumstances.

There are people who want to make men's lives more difficult for no other reason than the chance it provides them afterwards to offer their prescription for alleviating life; their Christianity, for instance.


Friedrich Nietzsche

You stand at a disadvantage my friend. For you are beholding spiritual observations through fleshly eyes; and so do all that are dead in their spirits. However, the one who has experienced both spiritual death, and afterwards spiritual quickening has observed through both fleshly and spiritual eyes, that spiritual realm. So such a one has a greater perspective of those dual realities, (fleshly and spiritually). Definitely then those who have been quickened into this new (spiritual) realm, are not lacking understanding of the fleshly concept of spiritual matters. For once we all were only observers from the fleshly perspective of spiritual concepts.
So then a child is contented in his simplicity, but once he enters into adulthood he sees the folly of those times. Tell a child he is foolish to play with toys, and he will dislike you. Tell an adult he must once again think like a child, and he will despise you. In our eyes, as adults, the child's pursuits are foolish. That is because we as adults are far above their understanding, and we see the void of their awareness of the serious things of the fleshly life. So it is so with the fleshly realm. However, it is adverse of that of the spiritual discernment.For what seemed foolish within the fleshly perspective; once you enter into the spiritual realm, no longer an observer from afar, but as part of that higher order. Then you realize the folly of your past observation,(just as the adult from childhood, he now sees the folly of his youth.) This is because in the ignorance of one's lack of a concept, there rest a dwelling place, even in this life, far beyond our ability to comprehend! In that fashion of order all is reversed;
in that hidden realm that cannot be felt or truly seen, or heard, or even tasted of, in mindful observance. For in that place the only entrance is faith in the holder of the gate of entrance. There the adult full of himself and laden with sin, guilt, and sorrow, sheds them all and he is allowed to return to the innocence of his youth. He dwells now in the comfort of the joy of knowing it finally all came together when he trusted in that one which through fleshly observation was actually hidden from his eyes all along. For flesh (fleshly reasoning, thinking, observance) cannot inherit the Kingdom of God!