The Big-Bang theory demolished in three easy steps

there are alot of unanswered questions in regards to our origins.

anyone who is putting all of the eggs in one basket is foolish at this point.

Not to mention people keep throwing around the buzzword "nothingness" as if they completely understand it.

yeah this "something can't come from nothing" arguement is nonsense. it shows a lack in understanding and grasping at straws to try and form an arguement

What we call matter is just a mode of vibration. Without the vibration there is nothing.

Eventually everything will stop vibrating and nothing will be left again. So the Eventual goal of a type IV civilization will be faced with is the final question of how to survive the end of everything.


Check Big rip theory, heat death theory & big crunch theory.

Enjoy

First off OP the universe's estimated age (based on the background radiation and light) is 13.8 billion years. Second open a quantum mechanics book and educate yourself. Something can be created from nothing but the definition of nothing is not what you think. True nothingness cannot exist. The "nothing" the big bang theory refers to is the lowest possible state of all energy and if you want to prove something from nothing study the mathematics of limits. Any thing divided by zero is equal to infinity. This simply shows a relationship between nothing and everything. Also look into fractals and how something very simple (lowest energy states) can lead to something very complex (planets, organics, life.)

A better argument against the big bang would be to state the definition of a singularity and conclude that by definition there is no catalyst to drive change since the singilarity is completely uniform. Therefor the only conditions created as the result of a singularity is the same unchanging uniform singularity.

While i admire someone who questions everything please dont make arogant claims that generally accepted conclusions are wrong unless you have facts to back it up. A Logical answer isnt always correct and an illogical one isnt always wrong. All you did was state logic with limited information that seemed to work in your head. You failed to consider variables and considering you didnt know the generally accepted age of the universe i think its safe to say you do not hold a degree in physics or Have access to any actual scientific instruments to collect data to conclude your hypothesis.

Stop spreading disinformation based on speculation. Thank you

Albert Einstein was religious and he said ' God doesn't throw the dice ' refering to a LOGIC Universe . Of course , as you can see he contradicted himself because a Logic Universe would create a god After SOMETHINGNESS would exist !

If logic wasn't his strong point is reflected today when so-called 'scientists' also believe in a Big Bang and gods .


When those three logic steps are the simplicity and common-sense that all can judge , it means that the establishment today is a religion rolled into a mascareding science .

Here is the simple proof imposible to deny :

1) Nothing can be created from Nothingness ( or , Somethingness can not be created from Nothingness )

2) the # 1 statement is true since for-ever , since Eternity , since an infinite time ( never was possible to make Something from Nothing )

3) Hence the Age of Somethingness ( the Universe included ) is also Eternity , infinite time . QED



Frame the above as a daily reminder of the Deceit world we live in today ... and ask a 'diploma' scientist to prove it wrong .

:^this:

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you are not understanding what the nothingness is.

before the big bang theory a pure vacuum was thought to contain nothing. what that meant was that a pure vacuum does not contain any matter an hence contains nothing.

this has been found to not really be the case. even though there is no matter there is still something there.

so if you have a pure vacuum and wait a while it will spontaneously begin to fill with elementary particles.

see this link [link to the-great-learning.com]

Sounds like the logical reasoning of a 10-year-old.


Nothing can be created from nothingness?

Philosophically profound, logically and scientifically retarded.

LOL you guys !

Firstly the 'three easy logic steps' presented are not eggs , not even figuaratively for the simple reason that Logic can be debated . Therefore , if you Deny that the Universe is 100 % Logic than you can start collecting 'baskets' , if you get my drift .

Thanksfully the Universe is 100 % Logic hence there is one and Only one Truth , hence just One basket ... but that didn't occur to the poster ;)

As for the ones that do not understand Nothigness and believe it is a 'buzz' word we can only ask them to Show some Nothigness , experiments are welcomed .
Wikipedia is a good start when a brain can not conceive the popular word 'Nothing' , but of course to understand Nothigness those people need to start with understanding what the Nothigness is lucking : Somethigness ! OH NO , those people have problems understanding the absence of anything , just How can we expect from them to understand Somethingness ?!

So be aware of the 'silly philosopher' , the shill that tells you that ... nothigness does exist and it start existing about 14 billion years ago in a Big Bang , god bless
!


1) Nothing can be created from Nothingness ( or , Somethingness can not be created from Nothingness )

2) the # 1 statement is true since for-ever , since Eternity , since an infinite time ( never was possible to make Something from Nothing )

3) Hence the Age of Somethingness ( the Universe included ) is also Eternity , infinite time . QED

Its been slightly over 10 years since God has been proven mathematically by the last day servant.

So example; if I say there is no music but there is a guitar string that represents potential.

Does that disprove music? Now,once the string is plucked was there nothing before the string was plucked?

Now you perceive the music but you see no string, does the string not exist?


Stochastic process

How can you have an anti particle of a particle that doesn't exist?

Your example is similar to determining what was the Cause that Triggered the Effect of a Big Bang .

Are we all going to deny/ignore the cause/effect relation in the case of the Big Bang ? because they claim there was Nothing before the BB hence How can something that doesn't exist BE a CAUSE of something ?? Hello , is this mic on ??

And of course the simplicity and un-deniability of the logic steps presented makes you wonder why this is not up long ago ! Unless , like some tried , you are not familiar with the concept of Nothigness ...




1) Nothing can be created from Nothingness ( or , Somethingness can not be created from Nothingness )

2) the # 1 statement is true since for-ever , since Eternity , since an infinite time ( never was possible to make Something from Nothing )

3) Hence the Age of Somethingness ( the Universe included ) is also Eternity , infinite time . QED

Just trying to get people to think on a simple scale. That is why I referenced Heat death, big rip and my personal favorite the big crunch theory above.

Time itself is not a constant and “nothingness” is not possible. What “big bang” really means is a perceived expansion of the scale of space/time in this universe itself leading to the conclusion that the big bang was not the start of the universe but merely a reciprocating event.

But even if it was not a repeating event then time out side this universe will still exist even though time in this universe will cease.

So who plucked the string to make the note? They plucked themselves!?!

D-brane and M-theory are trying to equate it rather well in my opinion.




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There's no time at all. Just space. We are all moving through space, but measuring cycles. I don't know why, don't ask.

" .... So who plucked the string to make the note? They plucked themselves!?! " .


Hmmm , they certainly did !
The SuperFluid determined to be the building element of the Universe has the natural property of self-mixing creating movement/energy 24/7 , so your conclusion of self-plucking is avant-garde , deep , precise and solidly true !

Search GLP for the UPN and Super Fluid Universe to see the logic pasted in one of the replyes .

Nothing and something is like black and white. Like a magnet with opposite poles. You have to have nothing to have something. If all you have was something how would you know it was something unless you had nothing to compare it to.

You see. Everything is a pulse. Black/white, something/nothing, loud/silent, hard/soft, etc. But between those is a whole range of spectrum. Between light and dark, is a whole range of color. The space in which matter exists is as important as the form itself. If there was no space would you know what form was?

Nothingness is the ultimate reality. From which something can manifest.

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This one? It's not bad, even talks about the "time" issue. The main link is dead now. But you can find the info elsewhere.

In general they are correct, everything thing is vibrating in the form of a wave function in superposition with an easy way for people to understand it.


Thread: UPN , the Unifying Property of Nature , or the Universe explained Unpretentiously without math

I want to elaborate on it, but it won’t sound like English lol…

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If people have trouble realizing the complete absence of nothingness there must be a reason , here is a distinct possibility :

Thread: Wanna-be Diplomas producing Wanna-be science


Aside of those simple three staeps , ponder about the elimination of the cause/effect relation in the Big Bang case : if the Big Bang was the Effect and their claim is that Nothing existed before it , than Nothing was the ... cause ?? Are those Sharlatans trying to sell us that you can get something from Nothingness ??
I bet they also have science 'diplomas' ...

They also made a movie , ' Catch me if you can ' based on facts .


... but scientists are playing now with two 'mass' particles ??

Wait a minute , Volovik and Huang demonstrated in 2011 that the Universe is made of a Super Fluid ( the Papers ' the Super Fluid Universe ' , one in Cornell University , the other from MIT ) . There is no way one can fit a mass particle in such a environment simply because IT IS the SuperFluid ITSELF THAT HAS THE MASS !! .... quite elementary ... as elementary as Nothingness doesn't exist hence all is filled by Somethingness , see the simple Logic Steps in the OP !


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Higgs Hiccup: Contradictory Results Show Up at LHC


... Something slightly odd seems to be going on with the Higgs boson. Separate measurements of its properties are showing two slightly different masses, according to scientists who presented their latest data on Dec. 13. ...
By Adam Mann12.14.12

So far we have three ways to negate the Big Bang :

1) the easy three steps in OP showing that Nothigness can not exist hence Somethingness is the Default and Base and is since for ever ( not 14 billion years )

2) the delition of the Cause/Effect property of nature at the moment of the Big Bang by some scientists telling us that the Nothingness ( they say ) , that existed before the BB , actually was the Cause OR there was no Cause to the BB ! And that's besides the falacy that Nothigness can exist !

3) Both scientists Grigory Volovik and the MIT Huang printed Papers demonstrating that the Universe is made of a SuperFluid . This means there is no Mass Particle since the SuperFluid is THE mass !



So are you going to bring this to the attention of your teacher or local scientist ?

Meanwhile in our black hole we call the universe.

I thought the mayans and popular science dubbed the age of the universe as being 13.7 billion years old.

There IS a perfect order and we need not be rocket scientists to get an understanding of it if we can just "understand" the Theophanic Presence. In the same way that "science falsely so-called" uses the "sacred" method of "observer status" to place themselves at the center of any process to determine its properties, we can do the same of the process of creation.

Before there "was" anything, there was unimaginable light proceeding from "GOD". From Scripture I can determine this so as "observer" there is only one thing I need to determine, and that is: there is only one "thing" in the entire "universe" of emptiness and that is God. From the Scripture, it is said that a "Christ" was "begotten"--essentially identical in every way to God. Since He was the "only begotten", then there can only be TWO now observable. They are a perfect image to each other, so therefore, Christ can be called "the express image of God". Since Christ is the "tool" by which creation formed, whatever emanates from Him cannot be an express image of either of the first TWO, but rather a "reflection" or "sum of the parts" of those two. There is no mention of a "Trinity" of express images, the "third", then, is a "magnification" of sorts of the first two. Since the "express image" is called the "WORD", or "vibration" or "communicative" aspect of the first ONE; and that communication is SEVENFOLD in its' composition, (the seven-fold Holy Spirit)--then we are talking (at the moment) of 9 different "dimensions" to that "place" we are observing(prior to this there was no "place", no time, and no matter.)

Now there is the one "little" factor that has had men at each other's throats for millennia over "when" the Christ was "incarnated". If He was "begotten" at the very beginning of creation, how could He have been begotten in the womb of Mary? Which is it to be? Does it really have to be one or the other? In fact, as observer, I can make it so that it can be BOTH so I can determine the feasability of such a thing. In Scripture, I can use "clues" to see if this is, indeed, possible. Of course, I have to add another "dimension" to make it possible to observe its results. I also have to add yet an eleventh dimension (the destination which is the "universe") which has to be made of 4 dimensions to give it form, function and the "appearance of age" as though it "always was" though I know that it is a "construct" of all the dimensions which created it in the first place.

That takes care of ONE of the seven-fold dimensions created from the TWO, but what of the other six? Well, there just happens to be "seven thunders" spoken of in Scripture. Of course, it just HAS to be a total mystery (decided by the first TWO) and cannot be "communicated" in the normal sense (if there IS a normal sense). It just so happens that there are, indeed, seven time/place events which could possibly be "observed" as what the seven thunders represent and has to include the ONE event that we have already discussed--namely the begotten at creation and the begotten of women. The seven thunders (from Scriptural sources) are "proclamations" which "THUNDER" down through the ages and happen simultaneously with the creation event. They are, simply speaking, the begotten moment in Mary (proclaimed) by the Angel, the Birth (again proclaimed by angels), His baptism (proclaimed by John the Baptist as He who takes away the sin of the world), His Incarnation on the Mount witnessed by apostles and proclaimed by angels), at His Crucifixion (again proclaimed by the earthquake, thunder, darkness and even those witnessing it), His Resurrection which also was proclaimed by angels, and finally His Ascension in which angels questioned the crowd and told of His Return. These seven thunders reverberated from Creation, to the time of Christ and will reverberate throughout all the ceaseless ages to come--itself being the very thing which upholds all time/space/matter.

There you have it. Pretty simple huh. And oh, if you need to connect some dots, God and His Christ both stated: "Before Abraham WAS, I AM". Being Omniscient, Omnipotent, AND Omnipresent, They are THEN (past), HERE (now), and THEN (future)--simultaneously. AND, also, if you need something to hang your hat on, you need look no further than the Calabi-Yau theory which is at the very center of the search for the "God particle" or Higgs-boson at the LHC, which (as you may have guessed), contains eleven dimensions which makes up all of time/space/matter. I wonder where they came up with such an "out there" idea.

So far we have three ways to negate the Big Bang :

1) the easy three steps in OP showing that Nothigness can not exist hence Somethingness is the Default and Base and is since for ever ( not 14 billion years )

2) the delition of the Cause/Effect property of nature at the moment of the Big Bang by some scientists telling us that the Nothingness ( they say ) , that existed before the BB , actually was the Cause OR there was no Cause to the BB ! And that's besides the falacy that Nothigness can exist !

3) Both scientists Grigory Volovik and the MIT Huang printed Papers demonstrating that the Universe is made of a SuperFluid . This means there is no Mass Particle since the SuperFluid is THE mass !



So are you going to bring this to the attention of your teacher or local scientist ?




In case you are one that lives the Fantasy , the religious implications and relations are at :

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I like this explanation.

Excerpted from page 17 of "Conversations with God"
· an uncommon dialogue ·
book 1
Neale Donald Walsch
1992 -1994
[link to www.humanitysteam.ru]

You’ve lost me again. Your experience of Yourself?
Yes. Let me explain it to you this way:
In the beginning, that which Is is all there was, and there was nothing else. Yet All That Is
could not know itself—because All That Is is all there was, and there was nothing else. And
so, All That Is.. .was not. For in the absence of something else, All That Is, is not.
This is the great Is/Not Is to which mystics have referred from the beginning of time.
Now All That Is knew it was all there was—but this was not enough, for it could only know its utter magnificence conceptually, not experientially. Yet the experience of itself is that for
which it longed, for it wanted to know what it felt like to be so magnificent. Still, this was
impossible, because the very term “magnificent” is a relative term. All That Is could not know
what it felt like to be magnificent unless that which is not showed up. In the absence of that
which is not, that which IS, is not.
Do you understand this?
I think so. Keep going.
Al right.
The one thing that All That Is knew is that there was nothing else. And so It could, and would,
never know Itself from a reference point outside of Itself. Such a point did not exist. Only one
reference point existed, and that was the single place within. The “Is-Not Is.” The Am-Not
Am.
Still, the All of Everything chose to know Itself experientially.
This energy—this pure, unseen, unheard, unobserved, and therefore unknown-by-anyoneelse
energy—chose to experience Itself as the utter magnificence It was. In order to do this, It
realized It would have to use a reference point within.
It reasoned, quite correctly, that any portion of Itself would necessarily have to be less than
the whole, and that if It thus simply divided Itself into portions, each portion, being less than
the whole, could look back on the rest of Itself and see magnificence.
And so All That Is divided Itself—becoming, in one glorious moment, that which is this, and
that which is that. For the first time, this and that existed, quite apart from each other. And
still, both existed simultaneously. As did all that was neither.
Thus, three elements suddenly existed: that which is here. That which is there. And that
which is neither here nor there—but which must exist for here and there to exist.
It is the nothing which holds the everything. It is the non-space which holds the space. It is
the all which holds the parts.
Can you understand this?
Are you following this?
I think I am, actually. Believe it or not, you have used such a clear illustration that I think I’m
actually understanding this.
I’m going to go further. Now this nothing which holds the everything is what some people call
God. Yet that is not accurate, either, for it suggests that there is something God is not—
namely, everything that is not “nothing.” But I am All Things—seen and unseen—so this
description of Me as the Great Unseen—the No-Thing, or the Space Between, an essentially
Eastern mystical definition of God, is no more accurate than the essentially Western practical
description of God as all that is seen. Those who believe that God is All That Is and All That
Is Not, are those whose understanding is correct.
Now in creating that which is “here” and that which is “there,” God made it possible for God to
know Itself. In the moment of this great explosion from within, God created relativity—the
greatest gift God ever gave to Itself. Thus, relationship is the greatest gift God ever gave to
you, a point to be discussed in detail later.
From the No-Thing thus sprang the Everything—a spiritual event entirely consistent,
incidentally, with what your scientists call The Big Bang theory.
As the elements of all raced forth, time was created, for a thing was first here, then it was
there—and the period it took to get from here to there was measurable.
just as the parts of Itself which are seen began to define themselves, “relative” to each other,
so, too, did the parts which are unseen.

Unproven premiss.

Immaterial anyway, the BBT doesn't state that the Universe came from nothing, it doesn't say anything about what happened before the Planck Epoch.
So you are trying, very ineffectually, to attack a strawman.


From an other angle one might argue that the total energy content of the Universe adds up to zero, i.e. Nothing.

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Finally they are coming to their senses , gravity recognized as THE force that shapes all including eartquakes and massaging the fluid magma like dough pressurizing it through every microfisure while making more .

More magma becaming Lava , more heting released to surface , all leading to global warming !

Hint : the solar system is approaching the Orion star-rich arm of our galaxy , hence more Gravity to encounter ... guess what will happened to climate .


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Researcher: Gravity of moon, sun likely unleashed Tohoku quake

BY TAKASHI SUGIMOTO

... The gravity of the moon and the sun likely triggered the Great East Japan Earthquake last year, according to a Japanese researcher ...




Back to the silly Big Bang , some shils here say that the BB theory doesn't claim there was Nothing before the BB , those are just silly shils , go ahead google .


So indeed the sham of the modern physics has been disclosed and proven , spread it people :


1) the easy three steps in OP showing that Nothigness can not exist hence Somethingness is the Default and Base and is since for ever ( not 14 billion years )

2) the delition of the Cause/Effect property of nature at the moment of the Big Bang by some scientists telling us that the Nothingness ( they say ) , that existed before the BB , actually was the Cause OR there was no Cause to the BB ! And that's besides the falacy that Nothigness can exist !

3) Both scientists Grigory Volovik and the MIT Huang printed Papers demonstrating that the Universe is made of a SuperFluid . This means there is no Mass Particle since the SuperFluid is THE mass !



So are you going to bring this to the attention of your teacher or local scientist ?