You want to know a secret truth? A relationship, a partner, a mate will not stop your suffering. Only you can do that...

We are taught that we should lean on others. That we should seek support from others and from groups when we feel lost or depressed. We are told that friends are needed when all seems dark.

When in truth the opposite is the REAL truth! Until we learn to stand on our own two feet and face our trials as spiritual warriors, we will NEVER be truly free.

Why is this true? Because this is OUR journey. OUR test to be overcome. To expect others to carry our load is just another form of control and manipulation.

As long as we expect others to carry us, we will never be free.

Please try and see this as a very deep and important truth that MUST be learned to ever move beyond this physical reality.

But, as always, the choice is yours. This universe is all about choice...

Don't misunderstand my message. I am not trying to tell anyone how to lead their lives.

I am trying to show people that there is so much control in the world and there is not just one way to live it.

The truth is to do what you want! It's as simple as that. But many people aren't aware that they have choices.

I am offering some another way of looking at their reality. That's all.

Then they can do whatever they like.

Go for it with my blessings!

Peace

Well, I've got to go on down the road now. Hope you all will at least think about what I have said here.

Then do whatever you want with your life.

Just be happy. That's all. It's as simple and as hard as that...

Peace

A fist may be used to initiate harm. Does this mean the fist is always wrong?

Is the issue relationships or is it what relationships are assumed to be?

I hear you!

very nice thread op


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Well, much as I agree with your overall premise

the fact is, the 'universe' is NOT all about choice.

In fact, the future is written in advance. YOUR future is written in advance. All you have is the ILLUSION of making decisions which influence your own and others fate

Precognition is the proof of the above. It only takes ONE instance of accurate precognition to prove it. And there are millions of examples of accurate precognition

So, 'choice' is the illusion which keeps you sane and keeps you living your life


Next: sure, no-one can 'make' you happy, however, a loving other can assist you to like/love/appreciate/reevaluate yourself, with positive results. History abounds with cases of those who had no hope to the point of suicide, yet who turned their situation around via the love and/or friendship of another

So whilst it's true we build character and strength though coping, it's also true that others can help us put things in perspective and set us on a new, more positive path

Curious OP, are you married?

Yes, true peace and love come from within, but there's nothing wrong with desiring to share it and desiring it deeply and passionately.

Sometimes new age philosphy sounds a little like what's called dissassociation in psychiatric jargon. All that "being outside oneself and not being effected".

I for one feel inner peace and love, but I also feel a deep need for others and a burning desire to live and feel and think.

Sometimes, this kind of philosophy just sounds like another kind of fear. The fear of others and your own experience because both have the potential to cause pain.

fuck you SATAN!!

then apply for a position in my organization.. when/if you are ready we will come to you ;) just make an intent within to be on the most high supreme gods team and then if you overcome the testing we will give you a position that is right for you.. you might make a good assassin.. thats what came to mind when i thought of a position for you.. think about it.. and know that i am...

Thankyou OP so true. The answers I found are within me, Truth hurts but if one can handle it in the end? It can go smooth or be difficult, Thanks so much for telling the truth.
I stand for truth..
I was blind but now I see.

dude i am enlightened; no one cares.

its cuz im white. Americans hate white ppl

This is pretty much the same conclusion that I have arrived at in my life experience. We can seek relief from our fears & insecurities in the form of external validation from others - but it will only serve to temporarily mask those inner conflicts, not address them. When a relationship ends and the validation ends, do the fears & insecurities not resurface? If we allow our sense of self worth to be defined by a relationship, we run the risk of losing that sense of self when the relationship ceases to exist - which can happen through no doing of our own.

To actually address and eventually transcend our fears & insecurities we need to do the difficult inner work and build ourselves up from inside. Internal conflicts require internal solutions as external 'treatment' is illusory.

Good thread Fibonacci. Some will misinterpret your perspective but it's important that they acknowledge that relationships are not the issue at hand here - but our socially conditioned tendency to look outside of ourselves for the solutions to our inner ailments when they can only be addressed from within.

Unfortunately it seems we can only learn this lesson the hard way.

ghandi?? you dont wanna play the saint game in this day and age unless your prepared to die and overcome the hell that comes with that experience.. and personally.. i can assure that you dont have much of what it takes to do so.. you wouldnt even make it out the other end.. so you dont like carrots?? how bout some fruit? you like fruit??

OP needs a hug.

(and probrably a blow job too)

Very true, OP.

Are you volunteering your services?

Great post.

Opie your the man? Keep thinking with that heart of yours, you will go far spiritually.

There are different types of relationships.
When you enter into one type which is just self oriented it will never stop your suffering.
It will soothe the wounds temporarily and
distract your focus from your suffering, similar to a drug.
The other type of relationship which is oriented around God,
Truth, and the submission to a Divine order will heal.
Suffering is ongoing through life so either you find a partner who understands the dynamic
or resign yourself to a different level of connection
though more "workable"
This is my opinion.
I have also observed that the second type is the focus of extraordinarily destructive forces.

t;dr

don't tell me my significant other doesn't love me. you dont know anything, sorry.


But, you can't hear me can you?

This wasn't necessary, you only put that there because you're aware that none will listen to crazy nonsense.

I agree with your post OP. But even spiritual warriors get lonely and would like to meet another of like mind. I've given up on that.

Well I appreciate your kind words, but the truth is that I am very happy with my life. I understand that everything that I have to be unhappy about is from my own doing...as is everything that I have to be happy about.
I try not to ever think of myself as a victim, except as one of my own creation.
And while I may have no real 'future' with this online person, I will be forever grateful that I met him, that I came to know him, and that I can call him a friend. Hopefully we can work something out, someday.

same here.