A very thought out opinion on gun control.

There it is. The uneducated token sheep.

I agree - these are just my opinions after all & I don't push them as gospel :p

Speaking from personal experience, my partner went through a very difficult child birth where without the medical aid she received, both her & my child would have died. I agree that some pharma work against longevity & our imune systems. I'm more referring to practice I guess - how many people 500 years ago died from ailments such as heart disease & influenza? Advances in medical technology have seen the ability to transplant organs & effectively manage infections & ailments that otherwise would have killed off people without a stronger imune system.

Awesome, OP! Read the whole thing and it was worth it. Will be sharing.

It's maddening how illogical people are reacting. It's nice to see the logic all spelled out in one place.

'bot thread. hmmm

The only people that will bother to read it, will those of the choir.

Libtards won't even read a short article, if it is full of facts that make them look like the idiots that they are.

Larry Correia is a reasoned man and weapons teacher. I had to save the rest of the article to when I am less tired.
What I did read changed my thinking and clarified a lot of points in my understanding re gun reality.
Now I get why teachers need to be trained in their use and why concealed carry is wise.
He has little tolerance for little f*ckwads that overreact in either direction pro or con. He just wants public massacres to end and some maturity to solve what we face as a country.
I would love to take a class with him.

More like to heavy and frightening for a mouse to handle properly.

Well now. Just a second. I lean toward social benevolence yet don't pigeonhole myself as an all-or-nothing libtard whom usually I dismiss just as I do those all-or-nothing rethugs who can't reason to save their lives.
In fact the author of the article had the same complaint as I do about extreme beliefs like yours..because most times the rest of us can reason with you. You know, like you just did throwing unprovoked insults before a discussion can even begin. That's precisely why criminals running away with this country love enablers like you.
I read most of this article and am saving the rest to read when I'm less exhausted.
But he is an interesting clear thinker and enough for me to open my own thinking on a number of points he raises,and that is how to actually end all this social violence and massacres from going too far.
I think he has the answers.

Halfway through the article, loving the posters general mindset most of all, his knowledge of guns is an extension of this quote, which I think can be applied to just about everything, not just what he is talking about:

"If I become angry because they are promoting policies which are tactically flawed and which will do the exact opposite of the stated goals, then I am a horrible person for being angry."

So true, to so many things.

Yes. and that's why people have to gain confidence via how much they've educated themselves and march right through mindgames.
If you know a lot about a subject people will listen if you appeal to what it is they understand.
At the same time there are so many moves being taken against reasonable outcomes the wholesome direct solution gets swamped.
It is backing down each time a challenge arises that is the problem.

Hello everyone,

Life decided to not let me be home to edit the original post and clean it up a bit or to discuss the article as much as I had hoped.

On a side note thank you everyone that has shared this, and thanks to everyone who helped get this pinned for the day.

With that I must head to bed, 5 AM shifts seem to start earlier and earlier every day.


Good night all.

Last Edited by CriticalThinking on 12/26/2012 11:47 PM

Very impressive. Read every word, and will be sending the link to both my state and federal representatives.

I am the libtard you all profess to know so much about, and I read the entire article and some of the links. I agreed with all of his points, agree that banning guns wont work in the US. You people down there have your beliefs about guns and have thought about the issue enough to know what you want and don't want in your country. Having said that I would not want guns proliferating up here, would like to see a rights respecting solution to the problem. Most of our shooting deaths involve gangs and cops.

While I disagree with your position, I respect your views given the way in which you've relayed them. I truly wish we all lived in harmony with one another, and all people were of one mind to simply advance our society for the betterment of all; however, we have the human condition to contend with - and logic/history dictates otherwise.

Peace.

Correia responds to the nature of the US gun issues with metered common sense based on the facts and EXTENSIVE experience.

And damn, the facts and stats are astonishing!

that is such an old saw. Guns aren't about sex.
Guns are about life and death and things that go bump in the night.

Hear hear for respectful exchange of views. I am afraid of my government, and may soon wish I had guns, but with one tenth your population and a very different ethnic scenario (dont take that a racist, multiculturalisim here lends to a very live and let live outlook.) It is far from perfect here, but we've got a fighting chance as a society.

To the OP (and anyone else who cares to follow this):

I am a 55 yr old male. For most of my life I have not had a particularly strong opinion about guns either way. I never owned a gun simply because I've never felt inclined to own one. This wasn't because of any personal feelings I carried about guns or gun ownership. For most of my life I simply pursued other interests which drew more of my attention than the responsibilities of owning a gun would have done.

I grew up in the south. Most of my family members are "guntards" and love to hunt. I was too young during that period to cultivate the same interests as they were enjoying. When I grew up, I moved north due to career interests and "moved away" from the influence of my family's interests. By the way, I have a completely normal relationship with all of them and still visit them on a regular basis. Issues about guns has never come between us. But as I said, up until recently, I've never held any strong opinion about guns either way.

I went to the link and read the article as you suggested. It is well written though a bit heavy-handed in favor of pro-gun, in my opinion. But I enjoyed it.

Here is my opinion:

I completely understand and am somewhat partial to the interests of gun owners. Much of that understanding comes from a appreciation of our constitution. However, gun ownership was a much different abstract in the era of our forefathers, an ideal that has evolved in a different and much more complex direction than the founding fathers would have ever imagined. Our society is a much different landscape than 200 yrs ago - a generation that is a megacosm apart from its fertile beginning, although we still like to lay claim to its original declarations and proclamations.

Here is where I'm going with this..

Of all the arguments I've heard and read, there is one flaw that both sides of the argument tend to ignore. Society is imperfect. The whole world over. We are an imperfect people and we cannot trust ourselves beyond the latches on our front doors. All the training in the world will never educate enough of the population to ensure there is never any abuse of guns ever again. It just won't happen.

LaPierre said "the only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun...is a good guy with a gun." Op, I ask you...who is the good guy? George Zimmerman thought he was the good guy. But was he? Do we want a dozen George Zimmermans patrolling the school halls of our children? If our flawed society has shown us over and over again in the tragic recent past shootings, is that everyone has their own idea of what justice is....and how it should be dispensed.

Until you can fix people, a free gun culture will always invite abuse and tragedy over and over and over again. We already enjoy a free gun culture today. Gun enthusiasts are enjoying perhaps the best times in regards to current gun legislation than they ever have in the past. What do you think will happen when you ramp up the gun population in response to shootings, as some have suggested? Well, if you look at it from a purely statistical point of view, logic tells you all numbers across the board will increase, too.

We are going in the wrong direction.

good gun control laws will nip this thing in the bud, by golly.

Sure, the right direction is for gubmint to have a monopoly on violence with absolutely no checks.

That way millions will be murdered.

AC 10096623, thank you for your reply and insite on the matter.

Yes the article is very heavily pro-gun. But I felt it would help provide an understanding to those who might not know much about guns. Even myself, growing up with guns, learned from this article.

Not only does one learn about guns, but how the media manipulates. I'm sure most of us on this site understand that aspect... however, others do not. Hence, I felt this needed to be shared.

As for society being imperfect, it was imperfect then as much so as it is now. There are major differences of course as we have many many different types of people, and access to different influences that did not exsist when this country was formed.

However, the one thing that we will always have in common with our founding fathers, their fathers, their fathers fathers, and so on is this; Not only is society imperfect, but greed and power corrupt those who "control us". This is why the bill of rights included the right to bear arms. To protect ourselves from what they KNEW would eventually rise again, a tryannical government.

Bottom line, I only hoped to help those supporting gun control to understand in more detail the opposing sides thoughts. This is not about us protecting our homes from burglars or our daughters from rapists or the likes. This is not about protecting ourselves from eachother, period.

This is about protecting ourselves from what is becoming more and more of a real possibility.

An AC on an earlier page mentioned that we are not focusing on the real issue, that "United we stand, divided we fall" and I could not agree more. This is the real threat.

It's almost too obvious. The media has lied through their teeth on multiple occasions, and not just on the gun issue. The media has warped and twisted every single subject enough that it has created a reality that makes it so no matter how "neutral" one is, you are against someone.

Be it your opinion on guns, sexual orientation, race, environment, entertainment, drugs, education, health, abortion, religion, politics, retirement, welfare, or war. The media has hyped and divided every single subject matter up so much that it has literally divided the population of the PLANET on all levels. And this was expected.

Some worry about China, some worry about Russia... but the real issue is ourselves.

Our founding fathers knew it was only a matter of time before America would be attacked.... from the inside.

Infact, to help support my point above, please watch the short video in this thread.

Thread: George Carlin on freedoms and society - A Must Watch

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Another thread to help support the point mentioned above.

Please check it out for more information.

Thread: Gun Control and Genocide

the purpose of gun control in america is merely
to help stabilize society, more better.

the people in Washington D.C. are not practitioners of evil, and commies.

I really wish that I could believe that... most observations made by anyone, even non-conspiracy types, say other wise.

that's only the ones that drink the fluoridated water.