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Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 28597455 United States 02/06/2013 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is another strange passage from your bible. Colossians 3:22 22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. In Lak`ech. |
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Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 28597455 United States 02/06/2013 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. In Lak`ech. |
IAMIAM User ID: 18016289 United States 02/06/2013 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says love is not jealous: 1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient. Love is kind. Love isn't jealous. It doesn't sing its own praises. It isn't arrogant. Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says God is love: 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. Here is a Bible verse in the Old Test that says God is a jealous God: Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God How do you explain that contradiction? Love is not supposed to be jealous, yet God is a jealous God. Why does his word contradict itself on this topic? 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. There is no contradiction and John is correct. God is Love is truth. God is also wrathful, jealous, and at times down right hateful. John is just pointing out which aspect you should focus on. Jesus also said that if you love your mother more than me, you are not worthy of me. He was not telling you to love your Mother less, but to love him equal, even with the least of these, my friends. With Love, Your Brother Last Edited by IAMIAM on 02/06/2013 01:37 PM |
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Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 28597455 United States 02/06/2013 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says love is not jealous: 1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient. Love is kind. Love isn't jealous. It doesn't sing its own praises. It isn't arrogant. Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says God is love: 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. Here is a Bible verse in the Old Test that says God is a jealous God: Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God How do you explain that contradiction? Love is not supposed to be jealous, yet God is a jealous God. Why does his word contradict itself on this topic? 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. There is no contradiction and John is correct. God is Love is truth. God is also wrathful, jealous, and at times down right hateful. John is just pointing out which aspect you should focus on. Jesus also said that if you love your mother more than me, you are not worthy of me. He was not telling you to love your Mother less, but to love him equal, even with the least of these, my friends. With Love, Your Brother Yeah... how can god love us unconditionally yet be a hateful, jealous and wrathful being toward us? When it clearly states that those emotions cannot exist where love is present. In Lak`ech. |
IAMIAM User ID: 18016289 United States 02/06/2013 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. It is because you focus on acts of the flesh that you do not understand. The Bible is not a book of the flesh, unless you read it with a carnal mind. It is a book of spirit and can only be properly understood by the Spirit. The raping of the young woman here, is stealing her heart away, even if she is reluctant to give it up. He must pay the fifty pieces of silver, which again is not material silver - but rather spiritual silver, to her father (which as Jesus taught, is the Father in heaven *call no man your father but your father in heaven*, at which time he MUST marry her (those the bride of Christ). Now how much silver was Jesus sacrifice worth? 30 pieces of silver. Thus there is a remaining balance that must be paid before he can properly collect his bride. I will pay it. Let me ask you now my Brother, How much is MY life worth to you? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 02/06/2013 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a Bible verse in the Old Test that says God is a jealous God: Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Jer 10:11 Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’12But God made the earth by his power;he founded the world by his wisdom and stretched out the heavens by his understanding. 13When he thunders, the waters in the heavens roar; he makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth. He sends lightning with the rain and brings out the wind from his storehouses ... 16 he is the Maker of all things, including Israel, the tribe of his inheritance—the Lord Almighty is his name. |
Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 28597455 United States 02/06/2013 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. It is because you focus on acts of the flesh that you do not understand. The Bible is not a book of the flesh, unless you read it with a carnal mind. It is a book of spirit and can only be properly understood by the Spirit. The raping of the young woman here, is stealing her heart away, even if she is reluctant to give it up. He must pay the fifty pieces of silver, which again is not material silver - but rather spiritual silver, to her father (which as Jesus taught, is the Father in heaven *call no man your father but your father in heaven*, at which time he MUST marry her (those the bride of Christ). Now how much silver was Jesus sacrifice worth? 30 pieces of silver. Thus there is a remaining balance that must be paid before he can properly collect his bride. I will pay it. Let me ask you now my Brother, How much is MY life worth to you? I agree. The bible is completely metaphorical. Most christians dont thought. Most believe that all of the stories are true... In Lak`ech. |
General Lee User ID: 33808905 United States 02/06/2013 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. It is because you focus on acts of the flesh that you do not understand. The Bible is not a book of the flesh, unless you read it with a carnal mind. It is a book of spirit and can only be properly understood by the Spirit. The raping of the young woman here, is stealing her heart away, even if she is reluctant to give it up. He must pay the fifty pieces of silver, which again is not material silver - but rather spiritual silver, to her father (which as Jesus taught, is the Father in heaven *call no man your father but your father in heaven*, at which time he MUST marry her (those the bride of Christ). Now how much silver was Jesus sacrifice worth? 30 pieces of silver. Thus there is a remaining balance that must be paid before he can properly collect his bride. I will pay it. Let me ask you now my Brother, How much is MY life worth to you? I agree. The bible is completely metaphorical. Most christians dont thought. Most believe that all of the stories are true... The Bible is a form of control for those who are not willing to find answers for themself |
Saltynoodle User ID: 30429160 United States 02/06/2013 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP what stories of the bible do you doubt happened? Im a christian that believes most things did actually happen. Last Edited by Saltynoodle on 02/06/2013 01:52 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 02/06/2013 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deuteronomy 17:12 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and every man presses into it. Luke 16:16 |
Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 28597455 United States 02/06/2013 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. It is because you focus on acts of the flesh that you do not understand. The Bible is not a book of the flesh, unless you read it with a carnal mind. It is a book of spirit and can only be properly understood by the Spirit. The raping of the young woman here, is stealing her heart away, even if she is reluctant to give it up. He must pay the fifty pieces of silver, which again is not material silver - but rather spiritual silver, to her father (which as Jesus taught, is the Father in heaven *call no man your father but your father in heaven*, at which time he MUST marry her (those the bride of Christ). Now how much silver was Jesus sacrifice worth? 30 pieces of silver. Thus there is a remaining balance that must be paid before he can properly collect his bride. I will pay it. Let me ask you now my Brother, How much is MY life worth to you? I agree. The bible is completely metaphorical. Most christians dont thought. Most believe that all of the stories are true... The Bible is a form of control for those who are not willing to find answers for themself Exactly. Anyone who thinks that TPTB dont have complete control over it is fooling themselves. They wrote it way back when to control the sheep and this ancient form of brainwashing is stronger than ever! In Lak`ech. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 02/06/2013 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: IAMIAM It is because you focus on acts of the flesh that you do not understand. The Bible is not a book of the flesh, unless you read it with a carnal mind. It is a book of spirit and can only be properly understood by the Spirit. The raping of the young woman here, is stealing her heart away, even if she is reluctant to give it up. He must pay the fifty pieces of silver, which again is not material silver - but rather spiritual silver, to her father (which as Jesus taught, is the Father in heaven *call no man your father but your father in heaven*, at which time he MUST marry her (those the bride of Christ). Now how much silver was Jesus sacrifice worth? 30 pieces of silver. Thus there is a remaining balance that must be paid before he can properly collect his bride. I will pay it. Let me ask you now my Brother, How much is MY life worth to you? I agree. The bible is completely metaphorical. Most christians dont thought. Most believe that all of the stories are true... The Bible is a form of control for those who are not willing to find answers for themself Exactly. Anyone who thinks that TPTB dont have complete control over it is fooling themselves. They wrote it way back when to control the sheep and this ancient form of brainwashing is stronger than ever! Actually, TPTB are controlled by the Bible as well. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33214007 United States 02/06/2013 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. the bible was set up as a means for a "civilized" society back in the day. it took pieces of spiritual guidance and inter-weaved it with man's law. It is fallible because it was written by man, not god. god didn't set up the printing press. God didn't dip the pen's in the ink. God had as much to do with the bible as with the super bowl. |
Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 28597455 United States 02/06/2013 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic I agree. The bible is completely metaphorical. Most christians dont thought. Most believe that all of the stories are true... The Bible is a form of control for those who are not willing to find answers for themself Exactly. Anyone who thinks that TPTB dont have complete control over it is fooling themselves. They wrote it way back when to control the sheep and this ancient form of brainwashing is stronger than ever! Actually, TPTB are controlled by the Bible as well. Oh yeah? Care to elaborate? In Lak`ech. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 02/06/2013 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: General Lee The Bible is a form of control for those who are not willing to find answers for themself Exactly. Anyone who thinks that TPTB dont have complete control over it is fooling themselves. They wrote it way back when to control the sheep and this ancient form of brainwashing is stronger than ever! Actually, TPTB are controlled by the Bible as well. Oh yeah? Care to elaborate? E.g. their trying to fullfil the Prophecies ... |
christian Suited up and Armored in Christ! User ID: 6038128 United States 02/06/2013 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says love is not jealous: 1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient. Love is kind. Love isn't jealous. It doesn't sing its own praises. It isn't arrogant. Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says God is love: 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. Here is a Bible verse in the Old Test that says God is a jealous God: Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God How do you explain that contradiction? Love is not supposed to be jealous, yet God is a jealous God. Why does his word contradict itself on this topic? 1.Jealous GOD....GOD wants to give you the desires of your heart, he cannot do it, if you give your Love to a False GOD.. 2. Love meaning accusing in *Human Jealousy* are you a wife that gets jealous if your husband takes time for his mother? Susie For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.....Matthew 6:21 There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: Ecclesiastes 3:1 |
Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 28597455 United States 02/06/2013 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. the bible was set up as a means for a "civilized" society back in the day. it took pieces of spiritual guidance and inter-weaved it with man's law. It is fallible because it was written by man, not god. god didn't set up the printing press. God didn't dip the pen's in the ink. God had as much to do with the bible as with the super bowl. Exactly, especially since it was manipulated all throughout history. Constantine saved the roman empire by manipulating it way back in 325AD. In Lak`ech. |
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Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 28597455 United States 02/06/2013 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says love is not jealous: 1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient. Love is kind. Love isn't jealous. It doesn't sing its own praises. It isn't arrogant. Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Here is a Bible verse in the New Test that says God is love: 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. Here is a Bible verse in the Old Test that says God is a jealous God: Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God How do you explain that contradiction? Love is not supposed to be jealous, yet God is a jealous God. Why does his word contradict itself on this topic? 1.Jealous GOD....GOD wants to give you the desires of your heart, he cannot do it, if you give your Love to a False GOD.. 2. Love meaning accusing in *Human Jealousy* are you a wife that gets jealous if your husband takes time for his mother? So explain godlike jealousy to me then... how is it different? In Lak`ech. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 02/06/2013 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. the bible was set up as a means for a "civilized" society back in the day. it took pieces of spiritual guidance and inter-weaved it with man's law. It is fallible because it was written by man, not god. god didn't set up the printing press. God didn't dip the pen's in the ink. God had as much to do with the bible as with the super bowl. Exactly, especially since it was manipulated all throughout history. Constantine saved the roman empire by manipulating it way back in 325AD. How exactly did he manipulate the ancient Scriptures by mere collecting them into one Book? |
Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 28597455 United States 02/06/2013 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic Exactly. Anyone who thinks that TPTB dont have complete control over it is fooling themselves. They wrote it way back when to control the sheep and this ancient form of brainwashing is stronger than ever! Actually, TPTB are controlled by the Bible as well. Oh yeah? Care to elaborate? E.g. their trying to fullfil the Prophecies ... They are just doing that because it is funny. In Lak`ech. |
christian Suited up and Armored in Christ! User ID: 6038128 United States 02/06/2013 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. This was scripture for the Children of Israel..Not Gentiles. Judaism takes a strong position against rape, with the Talmud comparing it to murder. As such, Judaism permits one to kill a rapist who is in pursuit of a woman, in order to save her from attack. Rape of a married woman is a capital crime. (Deuteronomy 22:25) Rape of a single woman carries a heavy monetary fine, plus the rapist has to pay reparation for embarrassment, damages and emotional anguish. The rapist also incurs lashes. This is all intended as both a deterrent and a punishment. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) Susie For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.....Matthew 6:21 There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: Ecclesiastes 3:1 |
Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 28597455 United States 02/06/2013 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. the bible was set up as a means for a "civilized" society back in the day. it took pieces of spiritual guidance and inter-weaved it with man's law. It is fallible because it was written by man, not god. god didn't set up the printing press. God didn't dip the pen's in the ink. God had as much to do with the bible as with the super bowl. Exactly, especially since it was manipulated all throughout history. Constantine saved the roman empire by manipulating it way back in 325AD. How exactly did he manipulate the ancient Scriptures by mere collecting them into one Book? Council of nicaea... research it. In Lak`ech. |
Mr. HypGnostic (OP) User ID: 28597455 United States 02/06/2013 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 Quoting: Mr. HypGnostic If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. This was scripture for the Children of Israel..Not Gentiles. Judaism takes a strong position against rape, with the Talmud comparing it to murder. As such, Judaism permits one to kill a rapist who is in pursuit of a woman, in order to save her from attack. Rape of a married woman is a capital crime. (Deuteronomy 22:25) Rape of a single woman carries a heavy monetary fine, plus the rapist has to pay reparation for embarrassment, damages and emotional anguish. The rapist also incurs lashes. This is all intended as both a deterrent and a punishment. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) Whats the difference? Is it not the same god? In Lak`ech. |