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Obama says hes raising minumum wage to 9.00/hr. i think that is a great fuckin idea! | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17851333  United States02/13/2013 06:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Back when I was a kid in 1980, minimum wage was $3.25. If you were a full-time employee (40 hours per week, 52 weeks a year) your annual salary was $6,968. The average household income was $17,000, so as a ratio the minimum wage earner made about 41% of that average household income. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7570540 Fast forward to 2012. Minimum wage of $7.25 for a full-time employee meant an annual salary of $15,080. The average household income was $50,000, so the ratio is 30%. Now, we all know that the middle class has been losing ground, but think about the poorest workers - they are losing ground to the middle class even! Some of you have your heads up your butts if you think those people don't deserve a raise. If you made the ratio equal to 1980, the minimum wage should be close to $10. You all bitch about people doing nothing and collecting entitlements, but there isn't much other choice for the untrained worker. Let's at least give them an incentive to work. You gripe about the rich getting richer on your backs but you want to boost yourselves on the backs of our poorest citizens. You are the same as the bankers and corporate CEOs but on a smaller scale - the intent is the identical - and that is to screw the little guy and collect more yourselves. Where are all of these jobs you want people to get? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34146475 United States02/13/2013 06:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People struggled to pay the rent when minimum wage was $1.25. They struggled to pay the rent when it was $2.25. They struggled to pay the rent when it was $3.25. When it was $4.25. Etc., Etc. and today....people on minimum wage struggle to pay the rent. It will be the same if minimum wage is $400 an hour. The only thing it does is let them steal your savings through inflation. But certain idiots clap and applaud every single time as if they had just gotten Christmas!!!  |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7570540 United States02/13/2013 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Back when I was a kid in 1980, minimum wage was $3.25. If you were a full-time employee (40 hours per week, 52 weeks a year) your annual salary was $6,968. The average household income was $17,000, so as a ratio the minimum wage earner made about 41% of that average household income. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7570540 Fast forward to 2012. Minimum wage of $7.25 for a full-time employee meant an annual salary of $15,080. The average household income was $50,000, so the ratio is 30%. Now, we all know that the middle class has been losing ground, but think about the poorest workers - they are losing ground to the middle class even! Some of you have your heads up your butts if you think those people don't deserve a raise. If you made the ratio equal to 1980, the minimum wage should be close to $10. You all bitch about people doing nothing and collecting entitlements, but there isn't much other choice for the untrained worker. Let's at least give them an incentive to work. You gripe about the rich getting richer on your backs but you want to boost yourselves on the backs of our poorest citizens. You are the same as the bankers and corporate CEOs but on a smaller scale - the intent is the identical - and that is to screw the little guy and collect more yourselves. no one is making min wage for ever unless they are seriously disabled. this is a false narrative, that people are routinely struggling to raise families on min wage. most move up, get better jobs I never claimed a person stayed on forever. Most are young - under 25 - and will get off eventually. They still deserve to have a wage which is worthwhile and pays the bills, right? Kids are saving for college, moms want part-time jobs, old people want to supplement their SS, poor people want to get off entitlements. We need to pay them a living wage. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 13133565 United States02/13/2013 06:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good if they can't pay fair wages they deserve to be out of business.. See that won't happen. And if they don't let some people go to balance the profit margin they will compensate instead. This will happen by reducing current employee hours to between 15-25 a week. Then they will hire part time employees to fill in the coverage gap, but only as many as they absolutely need. By doing this each employee will have a higher wage, but take in less with working less hours in a higher tax bracket. To top it off they will lose their benefits that they have. Essentially government titty sucking will become more rampant and they will have control over a large percentage of the food, health, housing, and utility needs of the lower to middle class. Hello United Soviet Socialist States |
Desert Fox  User ID: 8786935 United States02/13/2013 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some of you have your heads up your butts if you think those people don't deserve a raise. If you made the ratio equal to 1980, the minimum wage should be close to $10. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7570540 Unless you are the employer, it is none of your business who "deserves" what. You don't know, you are morally obliged to butt out, and you should shut up and worry about your own life. Correct. Plus, still no one can tell me why not make it 20, 30, or 40 dollars an hour. :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34330672 United States02/13/2013 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Saxon F Waxon, Esq. User ID: 32880403 United States02/13/2013 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Back when I was a kid in 1980, minimum wage was $3.25. If you were a full-time employee (40 hours per week, 52 weeks a year) your annual salary was $6,968. The average household income was $17,000, so as a ratio the minimum wage earner made about 41% of that average household income. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7570540 Fast forward to 2012. Minimum wage of $7.25 for a full-time employee meant an annual salary of $15,080. The average household income was $50,000, so the ratio is 30%. Now, we all know that the middle class has been losing ground, but think about the poorest workers - they are losing ground to the middle class even! Some of you have your heads up your butts if you think those people don't deserve a raise. If you made the ratio equal to 1980, the minimum wage should be close to $10. You all bitch about people doing nothing and collecting entitlements, but there isn't much other choice for the untrained worker. Let's at least give them an incentive to work. You gripe about the rich getting richer on your backs but you want to boost yourselves on the backs of our poorest citizens. You are the same as the bankers and corporate CEOs but on a smaller scale - the intent is the identical - and that is to screw the little guy and collect more yourselves. no one is making min wage for ever unless they are seriously disabled. this is a false narrative, that people are routinely struggling to raise families on min wage. most move up, get better jobs I never claimed a person stayed on forever. Most are young - under 25 - and will get off eventually. They still deserve to have a wage which is worthwhile and pays the bills, right? Kids are saving for college, moms want part-time jobs, old people want to supplement their SS, poor people want to get off entitlements. We need to pay them a living wage. "deserve" who are you to decide? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1550123 United States02/13/2013 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raising the minimum wage is a guaranteed job killer. If Obama was serious about creating jobs he would've lowered the minimum wage to something like $3/hour. At that rate I'd hire more people but at $9 I have to cut some. Not to worry, a $20 software package will fill the void in no time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34344925 Who would work for $3/hour? |
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| Desert Fox User ID: 8786935 United States02/13/2013 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good idea?? Oh, I'm afraid you are incorrect. You think it's good? You support it? Fine, just don't cry when a 12oz can of soda costs $4. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31464593 Exactly. Plus the first thing a small business does is lay one off in able to still make a profit. I have seen it. :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
| Saxon F Waxon, Esq. User ID: 32880403 United States02/13/2013 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34273328 United States02/13/2013 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 146770 United States02/13/2013 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good idea?? Oh, I'm afraid you are incorrect. You think it's good? You support it? Fine, just don't cry when a 12oz can of soda costs $4. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31464593 the true fact is there should be no mim wage period ,why does someone have to pay a door greeter the same wage ,you would a check out cashier ,are stocker |
| Saxon F Waxon, Esq. User ID: 32880403 United States02/13/2013 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop going to the games, stop watching on tv, stop buying $8 beer at the game, stop buying $100 jerseys. You won't do it! Wny are you clapping at this? what's wrong with 100 dollar jerseys and high paid atheletes? you jealous bro? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 9234950 United States02/13/2013 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34273328 United States02/13/2013 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop going to the games, stop watching on tv, stop buying $8 beer at the game, stop buying $100 jerseys. You won't do it! Wny are you clapping at this? what's wrong with 100 dollar jerseys and high paid atheletes? you jealous bro? Collectivism and Stateism. Us vs. Them. Circus and bread for the peasants = Sports and the Media circus. Once we get past this degenerate frame of thought and look at other people as individuals the system will fall. People need to find their own identities instead of claiming identity through a team, city, state or country. We are individual human beings before labels and citizens. Think about it. |
| Epic Beard Guy User ID: 24840423 United States02/13/2013 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raising the minimum wage means businesses will have to let all the low skill jobs go and turn those duties over to the skilled workers. Everyone loses. It will mean now low skill workers, and the skilled workers have to work harder to take up the slack. It has already happened in many fields. Where I work, the low skilled workers now hold about half as many jobs as they used to. Employers just can't afford to pay low skill workers that much. The "evil employers" still have to make money. Very few could afford to lose money for very long. Raising the minimum wage blocks most young people from the work place. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
| Saxon F Waxon, Esq. User ID: 32880403 United States02/13/2013 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop going to the games, stop watching on tv, stop buying $8 beer at the game, stop buying $100 jerseys. You won't do it! Wny are you clapping at this? what's wrong with 100 dollar jerseys and high paid atheletes? you jealous bro? Collectivism and Stateism. Us vs. Them. Circus and bread for the peasants = Sports and the Media circus. Once we get past this degenerate frame of thought and look at other people as individuals the system will fall. People need to find their own identities instead of claiming identity through a team, city, state or country. We are individual human beings before labels and citizens. Think about it. I don't need to "think about it" thanks tho |
| Drunkenkungfu User ID: 32644256  Australia02/13/2013 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lol what is the current US minimum wage..? $9 a hour is what we pay our 16 year old's. If its such a bad thing then why not lower the minimum..? When was the last time a pay level has been put up, and what roll on effect did it have. Will business owners fleece and use this as a means to justify a price hike and to sack individuals..? 11:11 |
| Saxon F Waxon, Esq. User ID: 32880403 United States02/13/2013 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raising the minimum wage means businesses will have to let all the low skill jobs go and turn those duties over to the skilled workers. Everyone loses. It will mean now low skill workers, and the skilled workers have to work harder to take up the slack. It has already happened in many fields. Where I work, the low skilled workers now hold about half as many jobs as they used to. Employers just can't afford to pay low skill workers that much. The "evil employers" still have to make money. Very few could afford to lose money for very long. Raising the minimum wage blocks most young people from the work place. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy stop making sense! |
| chuckles User ID: 34351615 United States02/13/2013 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raising the minimum wage means businesses will have to let all the low skill jobs go and turn those duties over to the skilled workers. Everyone loses. It will mean now low skill workers, and the skilled workers have to work harder to take up the slack. It has already happened in many fields. Where I work, the low skilled workers now hold about half as many jobs as they used to. Employers just can't afford to pay low skill workers that much. The "evil employers" still have to make money. Very few could afford to lose money for very long. Raising the minimum wage blocks most young people from the work place. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy stop making sense! Now, now, you know in the progressive world, all business owners are Scrooge McDucks with big vaults of money. And every day they go home and roll around in it and masturbate like monkeys while laughing evilly about how they have screwed their workers!!! |
| No Dhimmi User ID: 18280111 United States02/13/2013 07:08 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Saxon F Waxon, Esq. User ID: 32880403 United States02/13/2013 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no one is making min wage for ever unless they are seriously disabled. this is a false narrative, that people are routinely struggling to raise families on min wage. most move up, get better jobs Quoting: Saxon F Waxon, Esq. Except, you know, Obamaphonies. right, the perpetually dependent. they are in this scenario of being forever controlled by the gov't. it's so sad, but it's nothing we can fight against because they choose it We can stop paying for them to breed. Shrug. how. if you cut them off you're am evil selfish bastard who hates children. how do you fight this? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1550123 United States02/13/2013 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good idea?? Oh, I'm afraid you are incorrect. You think it's good? You support it? Fine, just don't cry when a 12oz can of soda costs $4. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31464593 the true fact is there should be no mim wage period ,why does someone have to pay a door greeter the same wage ,you would a check out cashier ,are stocker Thinking about it now, that is true. There should be no minimum wage. Let the employer decide who is worth what. It doesn't mean the person has to work for them. An employer could start someone out at 7 bucks and hour and if they don't like them they can get rid of them without much cost to the employer. But if they do like them they could give them a raise to 9, 10, 11 etc bucks if they wanted to keep the person. Nine dollars an hour will just mean that a teen or someone with no experience will not be getting a job at all. Or there will be no raises unless the person is stellar. Or one person will now be doing the work of two or more. It is a bad deal which will cause more unemployment and raise prices. |
| l3ol3o User ID: 32797914 United States02/13/2013 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you have no understanding of economics, like 99% of liberals, then I'm sure you think this is a great idea. Those that understand economics know this means that less people will be working, less benefits, and additional costs on good and services. Ayatollah Khomeini: “Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.” |
