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Please help me and explain this bible quote ( John 12:25)

 
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hey ....753......i'll respond here if you don't mind ....

the world is controlled by way of the 4 systems (4 horsemen) .....all the systems have been taken over by ONE ....

it is easy to see that education does not open the mind of our children ...it makes them submit ....they do this as they, any ed. systems, have submitted to MONEY .....

it is also easy to see that religions of the world are taken over by the monetary system .....as they also submit ....

and certainly in this hour we see the governments of the world submitting to the monetary systems .....

MONEY now rules all the systems as it does it self .....

the awakened ones learn to step away from governments, religions, and education (as it exists today) ....

money/financial systems have extended into the individual through all training by the dogmatic systems ......

because it seems most personal it is the hardest to walk away from ........

all the systems make individuals think they are required systems ..when actually we awake to them and find out they are not required .....

it is the same with our own personal money problems .....if we can walk away from them.....we can the last one .....


it is the love of mammon/money that is the most difficult to release our selves from .....

the love of money maintains the need of .....we only think the need comes first .....

the 4 world systems maintain existence .....which is caused by the light of the world ......

when the light comes from within .....no more systems are required ......thus no more need ....and no more love of money ....it was only one of the systems of control ....

the MOON EYE (money) is only a REFLECTION of a deeper problem .....it is evidence of a SOLAR/SOL/SOUL problem .....

the problem is maintained with the thought "there is nothing new under the sun"

we rise above the SUN/SON .....then the sun and moon go dark ...pass away .....as the star fall down/bow a knee

well hope you catch this.....
 Quoting: wind rider


Okay Wind Rider,

I get it. The 4 "walls" of the ILL-US-ion are maintained by giving them power. Once you TRANCE END the 4 walls you move beyond this "LIEght" world into the "supernatural"(sun and moon go dark).

Meaning I've just got to let go of the digits (money) and walk away from it, Yes?

In other words just let go and let "spirit" deal with the mundane silliness
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We do live in a Soul Liar System.
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I read it in another topic but i dont understand.

John 12:25 he who loves his life will lose it, he who hates his life in this world will gain eternal life. From memory might not be exact.
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as Christians we are called to be seperate from the things of this world-
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Wind Rider - Could you guide me to material on unseen world that could help. Perhaps you could go to my discussion and post any helpful material to guide me. I'm gonna let go of digits (moneye) ill-us-ion and trust "spirit" to bring me where it wants me to go. Here is my discussion:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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"this world is not my home, I'm just a passing through..
if heaven's not my home, then, Lord, what can I do...
the angels beckon me to heaven's open door,
and I can't feel at home in this world anymore."

When we love the Lord, we let go of the things in this world and recognize that this is not our home. We're only here temporarily, and we should let go emotionally of everything this world has to offer.
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Translation: "Don't you dare have a good time!"
 Quoting: Capt. Ivan Danko




Authentic Christians have true peace and joy.
"Good time" depends on a person's world view.
The "world's" view of a good time differs from
the good time which Christians experience, based
on the proper and acceptable "God" view.
Our worldview defines who we are.
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Re: Please help me and explain this bible quote ( John 12:25)
I read it in another topic but i dont understand.

John 12:25 he who loves his life will lose it, he who hates
his life in this world will gain eternal life. From memory
might not be exact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13449452


dear russian AC ,

in order to understand what jesus is talking about
concerning john 12:25 "he who loves his life will lose it.
he who hates his life (in this world) will gain eternal
life." , you need to keep this verse in context with
the subject that jesus started off at the beginning of
john chapter 12 :

[link to www.kingjamesbibleonline.org]

namely , the subject of john chapter 12 is the future
return of jesus christ to jerusalem , the future 2nd
passover where the christian elect are "passed over"
by the angel of death (satan) because they have the
mark of jesus 777 in their brains as opposed to the
doomed who have the mark of the beast 666 in their
brains , and the return from the dead of the christian
jedi priesthood elect ( represented by lazarus = eliezer =
christian jedi priests of the shepherdschapel.com ) .

now .

please note the importance of the preceding verse
john 12:23 where jesus talks about the "hour IS COMING
( future tense implied ) that the Son of man WILL BE
( future tense ) glorified .

most translaters screwed up here because they assumed
that the glory would be on the cross , but what jesus
is really talking about is his future 2nd coming
as the Son of Adam coming from the skies in glory and
power . please cross reference with the book of
revelations . when jesus talks about "the hour" , he
is talking about the final hour of temptation in the
latter days when satan is here on earth claiming to
be jesus christ returned to rapture you out of here
in his UFOs .

the next verse john 12:24 is an admonishment by jesus
christ to the future christian jedi elect living in the
latter days ( now ) , to plant these seeds of truth
( what i am doing now ) among the people .

then we come to the particular verse that has you
scratching your head :

you must understand that the false christ ( satan himself )
comes FIRST . he will come appearing as a being of light
with undeniable supernatural powers . he will be
accompanied by a cohort of fallen angels who will also
appear as beings of light . they will descend from the
heavens in the sight of many and the event will
definitely be recorded on video . they will appear to be
good and will perform many good miracles . in addition ,
satan will have "modified" his body to exhibit the
crucifixion and spear of destiny wounds for the benefit
of the doubting thomases .

satan will have exactly 5 months ( or moons ) to walk
on the earth amongst the peoples .

the reason why yahoveh shortened this period down to
5 months is because the fallen angels have a tendency
to have sex with females ( and males - many fallen
angels are bisexual and/or homosexual ) . the offspring
of an anunnaki and a human is a nephilim giant .
1st generation nephilim giants have supernatural powers
and grow extremely fast - and as a result , need to
eat human flesh and blood (we are the perfect giant food
as we contain all the proteins, vitamins, minerals and
fats a nephilim needs) . if satan and the fallen
angels were allowed to walk the earth for 7 years ,
there would be no human flesh left as the giant
offspring would initiate a huge cannibal feast
apocalypse . therefore , the 7 years was shortened to
5 moons as the standard pregnancy is 9 moons in order
to pre-empt the return of the nephilim giants .

now , satan of course will know that his time is
short ( 5 moons ) , but he will make good use of this
time by preaching to the world that if you only bow down
to him and worship him as christ returned , then he will
evacuate you from the earth in his UFO fleet - RAPTURE -
so that you will avoid the nibiru apocalypse ( every time
nibiru swings around , satan and the fallen angels
appear on earth ) .

this is the temptation of the final hour that jesus
is referencing in john chapter 12 .

under no circumstances are you to bow down to the FIRST
supernatural being that descends from the heavens
claiming to be jesus christ returned to rapture you
out of here . you must remain faithful and spiritually
a virgin and refuse to bow down . you must be patient and
wait 5 moons for the true christ to return because
the true christ comes SECOND or after the false christ .

( put another way , the false christ comes at the 6th
trump, the 6th vial, and the 6th seal = 666 . the true
christ comes at the 7th seal, the 7th vial, and the 7th
trump = 777 . thus, the doomed who worship the false
one thinking it's the genuine article are sealed with
the 666. meanwhile, yahoveh's elect who know that the
false dude comes first are sealed with the 777 .
7 comes after 6 . 6 comes before 7 . the bible is not
very complicated once you can grasp that it is
information from the future so that you would be able
to artfully dodge the great end times trap being
laid by satan . )

the problem of course is this :

those who remain faithful and refuse to bow down to
the false christ coming first are going to have an
extremely tough 5 months to ride out . that is to say ,
not only will satan and the fallen angels make the
christian elect's life rip ass hell in this 5 month
time period , but so will your neighbors and friends
and relatives and acquaintances turn against you .

this problem is the essence of john 12:25 :

if you "love" your life in this world and want to go with
the flow/herd and take the easy way out and bow down to
the false christ for your free UFO rapture ticket off
the earth , then you will forfeit your soul .

if you "hate" your life in this satanic fascist wonderland
and realize that the masses are making an epic mistake
in worshipping this first supernatural being and that
the free UFO rapture ticket is a trap , then you will
gain eternal life when the true christ finally shows up
at the end of the 5 months to put an end to satan's
nonsense .

YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE CAUGHT BOWING DOWN TO SATAN AND
HIS FALLEN ANGELS WHEN THE TRUE CHRIST RETURNS IN GLORY
ACCOMPANIED BY HIS SAINTS .

verstehen sie mich ?

finally , skip to john 12:28 through john 12:31 .
again , note the implied future tense . yahoveh declares that
he will glorify his name in the resurrection of christ
and again in the future when he returns in the second
coming through his avatar jesus christ . in verse 29 ,
the voice like thunder of revelations is referenced
showing you that this is all about the latter days .
verse 31 needs to be understood in the future tense :

" the judgment of this world is coming : the prince of this
world shall be cast out . "

verse 31 still needs to be fulfilled and will be fulfilled
in the true jesus christ's second coming .

so , russian AC 13449452 , good luck to you and i hope
that peer pressure doesn't get the better of you when
satan is here on earth doing his 5 month rapture baloney pony
show ...

register an account first and then chat with grimmlord on spam.com/spam tard
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omg.. quit adding your shit to it.

It simply says "Rotten bastards live for ever and the good die young."
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It means if you truly love life, your actions will be rewarded by getting to go to heaven. Possibly reincarnation? ..and if you hate life you are damned to the hell of your own creation for all eternity. ..or possibly reincarnation??

Whatever they meant, either way there is no heaven or hell or reincarnation. The message here here pretty straight forward:

..Life is what YOU make it.
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This is the meaning of that verse:

You have slighty misquoted the Verse - hate should be replaced with not enjoying this life!

Those that follow the path of God - to be righteous and folow the Commands of God etc would not be tempted by sin or any other wrongdoing.

Those that follow this Path will have eternal life in the HereAfter. All religions have similar scriptures.

Only those that enjoy themselves love this world.
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It means if you truly love life, your actions will be rewarded by getting to go to heaven. Possibly reincarnation? ..and if you hate life you are damned to the hell of your own creation for all eternity. ..or possibly reincarnation??

Whatever they meant, either way there is no heaven or hell or reincarnation. The message here here pretty straight forward:

..Life is what YOU make it.
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I read it in another topic but i dont understand.

John 12:25 he who loves his life will lose it, he who hates his life in this world will gain eternal life. From memory might not be exact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13449452


It means if you live for THIS life, and for THIS world, that you will forfeit the REAL prize. Eternal life.

If you are disgusted by what this world has become, and you do your best to live unspotted by the world, then you will live for God, and for the kingdom of heaven.
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Where did you read alcohol is forbidden?


This is the meaning of that verse:

Those that follow the path of God would not be tempted by any sin or wrong doing.

So no adultry, alcohol, harming anyone, etc those that follow this path will have eternal life in the HereAfter.

This world is only loved by those looking for a shallow and fun life.

This is not just for Christians but also for Muslims and Jews and mankind.
 Quoting: Moon 34847836
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Where did you read alcohol is forbidden?


This is the meaning of that verse:

Those that follow the path of God would not be tempted by any sin or wrong doing.

So no adultry, alcohol, harming anyone, etc those that follow this path will have eternal life in the HereAfter.

This world is only loved by those looking for a shallow and fun life.

This is not just for Christians but also for Muslims and Jews and mankind.
 Quoting: Moon 34847836

 Quoting: GoVegan


Alcohol maintains the hypnotic trance and keeps people trapped in this FAKE world. It's promoted for a reason just like pot and other things.
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that which is forbidden ...is for the individual NOT to move .....anything/everything visible in this world is used to keep people from moving ...

non-movement is actually SIN ......all other thoughts of this or that forbidden are herd morality thoughts...

thus it is written GOD DOES NOT CHANGE .....this is the condition of the ADAM ...or GOD trapped (not able to move) within man-kind .....

A DAM ......

some think they are moving as they continue to maintain the world systems all the while thinking about a FUTURE when they will do something different .....

the systems are maintained by ones REACTION ....the systems fall by ACTION ....

reactions are systematic participation in group thought ....greed, fear...submission to money .....

action is denial of reaction ....ANY REACTION ....

to WATCH and known as we are known .....
wind rider
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Don't think that your life is so perfect, you don't need God and His Son Jesus Christ, tomorrow you may die, then you will have lost you life forever.
 Quoting: Daughter
Well put, We all got to go sometime, God gives life
and takes it, Id trust God, He's is actualy the only one who knows he's doing, this I know. God has a love beyond all others.
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I read it in another topic but i dont understand.

John 12:25 he who loves his life will lose it, he who hates his life in this world will gain eternal life. From memory might not be exact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13449452


ENTER IN AT THE STRAIGHT GATE
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that's easy its talking about loving your life for selfish reasons if you love your life because you love all your possesions and earthly things and but them before god then u already damned yourself but if you hate all your earthly things and love god then u will have a place in heaven.

its easier to understand it from gods perspective:

we got 2 men man A and man B.

Man A. he is Rich and famous has everything he ever wants loves his life more than he loves god.

Man B. poor man just makes enough to get buy but he's happy he has god in his life and he loves him with all his heart.

which man do you thing deserves heaven more?
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I read it in another topic but i dont understand.

John 12:25 he who loves his life will lose it, he who hates his life in this world will gain eternal life. From memory might not be exact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13449452


it means if someone writes something down, and someone else talks about it, then it must be true.

your book is garbage, and so is your mind.
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I read it in another topic but i dont understand.

John 12:25 he who loves his life will lose it, he who hates his life in this world will gain eternal life. From memory might not be exact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13449452


It's a commentary about perception and how it affects one's state of consciousness and awareness of one's existence.

A person who immerses himself/herself in this physical plane and seeks an identity that is defined by the physical/material world will surely lose that identity (read as 'life' in the passage) when he/she passes. Every physical, living 'thing' on this plane will surely pass away - the physical existence is impermanent. So if you seek your identity and define yourself by the parameters of physical world, you will lose that identity (life) you have created when you inevitably pass away and move on.

On the other hand, a person who has embraced a spiritually-based (non-physical) mindset may find himself/herself to be unhappy ('hate' is a strong word) being temporarily 'stuck' in this physical/material world - but this perception will enable an individual to raise his/her awareness (or state of consciousness) to a sufficient threshhold where he/she is able to recognize & internalize the eternal nature of the soul (even while still inhabiting the physical flesh).

In other words, if a comet was scheduled to arrive tomorrow and wipe out everything on the Earth - the person who seeks a physical/material based identity will likely be horrified and feel that his/her 'life' will end with the 'death' of the physical body. The person who has internalized a spiritual identity will feel at peace within, because he/she understands that 'death' of the physical body is merely a necessary and inevitable process that enables the soul/spirit to transition back to it's natural (and eternal) form.

Does that make sense?

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Very much so and as usual you've succinctly hit the nail on the proverbial head.hf
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If you love it, he will take it.

If you hate it, he will force it.


It can only mean one thing.



God hates humans.
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All a fraud mind job big time.

Get real!
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All a fraud mind job big time.

Get real!
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right on

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Translation: "Don't you dare have a good time!"
 Quoting: Capt. Ivan Danko




Authentic Christians have true peace and joy.
"Good time" depends on a person's world view.
The "world's" view of a good time differs from
the good time which Christians experience, based
on the proper and acceptable "God" view.
Our worldview defines who we are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15244914


fuck you and die, burn forever asswipe
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yahoveh is not the name of the creator, it is Eli. YHWH was a dragon in genesis, he consumed people. Jesus on the cross said Eli not yahoveh, please first get your facts together.

I read it in another topic but i dont understand.

John 12:25 he who loves his life will lose it, he who hates
his life in this world will gain eternal life. From memory
might not be exact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13449452


dear russian AC ,

in order to understand what jesus is talking about
concerning john 12:25 "he who loves his life will lose it.
he who hates his life (in this world) will gain eternal
life." , you need to keep this verse in context with
the subject that jesus started off at the beginning of
john chapter 12 :

[link to www.kingjamesbibleonline.org]

namely , the subject of john chapter 12 is the future
return of jesus christ to jerusalem , the future 2nd
passover where the christian elect are "passed over"
by the angel of death (satan) because they have the
mark of jesus 777 in their brains as opposed to the
doomed who have the mark of the beast 666 in their
brains , and the return from the dead of the christian
jedi priesthood elect ( represented by lazarus = eliezer =
christian jedi priests of the shepherdschapel.com ) .

now .

please note the importance of the preceding verse
john 12:23 where jesus talks about the "hour IS COMING
( future tense implied ) that the Son of man WILL BE
( future tense ) glorified .

most translaters screwed up here because they assumed
that the glory would be on the cross , but what jesus
is really talking about is his future 2nd coming
as the Son of Adam coming from the skies in glory and
power . please cross reference with the book of
revelations . when jesus talks about "the hour" , he
is talking about the final hour of temptation in the
latter days when satan is here on earth claiming to
be jesus christ returned to rapture you out of here
in his UFOs .

the next verse john 12:24 is an admonishment by jesus
christ to the future christian jedi elect living in the
latter days ( now ) , to plant these seeds of truth
( what i am doing now ) among the people .

then we come to the particular verse that has you
scratching your head :

you must understand that the false christ ( satan himself )
comes FIRST . he will come appearing as a being of light
with undeniable supernatural powers . he will be
accompanied by a cohort of fallen angels who will also
appear as beings of light . they will descend from the
heavens in the sight of many and the event will
definitely be recorded on video . they will appear to be
good and will perform many good miracles . in addition ,
satan will have "modified" his body to exhibit the
crucifixion and spear of destiny wounds for the benefit
of the doubting thomases .

satan will have exactly 5 months ( or moons ) to walk
on the earth amongst the peoples .

the reason why yahoveh shortened this period down to
5 months is because the fallen angels have a tendency
to have sex with females ( and males - many fallen
angels are bisexual and/or homosexual ) . the offspring
of an anunnaki and a human is a nephilim giant .
1st generation nephilim giants have supernatural powers
and grow extremely fast - and as a result , need to
eat human flesh and blood (we are the perfect giant food
as we contain all the proteins, vitamins, minerals and
fats a nephilim needs) . if satan and the fallen
angels were allowed to walk the earth for 7 years ,
there would be no human flesh left as the giant
offspring would initiate a huge cannibal feast
apocalypse . therefore , the 7 years was shortened to
5 moons as the standard pregnancy is 9 moons in order
to pre-empt the return of the nephilim giants .

now , satan of course will know that his time is
short ( 5 moons ) , but he will make good use of this
time by preaching to the world that if you only bow down
to him and worship him as christ returned , then he will
evacuate you from the earth in his UFO fleet - RAPTURE -
so that you will avoid the nibiru apocalypse ( every time
nibiru swings around , satan and the fallen angels
appear on earth ) .

this is the temptation of the final hour that jesus
is referencing in john chapter 12 .

under no circumstances are you to bow down to the FIRST
supernatural being that descends from the heavens
claiming to be jesus christ returned to rapture you
out of here . you must remain faithful and spiritually
a virgin and refuse to bow down . you must be patient and
wait 5 moons for the true christ to return because
the true christ comes SECOND or after the false christ .

( put another way , the false christ comes at the 6th
trump, the 6th vial, and the 6th seal = 666 . the true
christ comes at the 7th seal, the 7th vial, and the 7th
trump = 777 . thus, the doomed who worship the false
one thinking it's the genuine article are sealed with
the 666. meanwhile, yahoveh's elect who know that the
false dude comes first are sealed with the 777 .
7 comes after 6 . 6 comes before 7 . the bible is not
very complicated once you can grasp that it is
information from the future so that you would be able
to artfully dodge the great end times trap being
laid by satan . )

the problem of course is this :

those who remain faithful and refuse to bow down to
the false christ coming first are going to have an
extremely tough 5 months to ride out . that is to say ,
not only will satan and the fallen angels make the
christian elect's life rip ass hell in this 5 month
time period , but so will your neighbors and friends
and relatives and acquaintances turn against you .

this problem is the essence of john 12:25 :

if you "love" your life in this world and want to go with
the flow/herd and take the easy way out and bow down to
the false christ for your free UFO rapture ticket off
the earth , then you will forfeit your soul .

if you "hate" your life in this satanic fascist wonderland
and realize that the masses are making an epic mistake
in worshipping this first supernatural being and that
the free UFO rapture ticket is a trap , then you will
gain eternal life when the true christ finally shows up
at the end of the 5 months to put an end to satan's
nonsense .

YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE CAUGHT BOWING DOWN TO SATAN AND
HIS FALLEN ANGELS WHEN THE TRUE CHRIST RETURNS IN GLORY
ACCOMPANIED BY HIS SAINTS .

verstehen sie mich ?

finally , skip to john 12:28 through john 12:31 .
again , note the implied future tense . yahoveh declares that
he will glorify his name in the resurrection of christ
and again in the future when he returns in the second
coming through his avatar jesus christ . in verse 29 ,
the voice like thunder of revelations is referenced
showing you that this is all about the latter days .
verse 31 needs to be understood in the future tense :

" the judgment of this world is coming : the prince of this
world shall be cast out . "

verse 31 still needs to be fulfilled and will be fulfilled
in the true jesus christ's second coming .

so , russian AC 13449452 , good luck to you and i hope
that peer pressure doesn't get the better of you when
satan is here on earth doing his 5 month rapture baloney pony
show ...

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Re: Please help me and explain this bible quote ( John 12:25)
Interesting.





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