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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34866753 United Kingdom 02/21/2013 10:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hey ....753......i'll respond here if you don't mind .... Quoting: wind rider the world is controlled by way of the 4 systems (4 horsemen) .....all the systems have been taken over by ONE .... it is easy to see that education does not open the mind of our children ...it makes them submit ....they do this as they, any ed. systems, have submitted to MONEY ..... it is also easy to see that religions of the world are taken over by the monetary system .....as they also submit .... and certainly in this hour we see the governments of the world submitting to the monetary systems ..... MONEY now rules all the systems as it does it self ..... the awakened ones learn to step away from governments, religions, and education (as it exists today) .... money/financial systems have extended into the individual through all training by the dogmatic systems ...... because it seems most personal it is the hardest to walk away from ........ all the systems make individuals think they are required systems ..when actually we awake to them and find out they are not required ..... it is the same with our own personal money problems .....if we can walk away from them.....we can the last one ..... it is the love of mammon/money that is the most difficult to release our selves from ..... the love of money maintains the need of .....we only think the need comes first ..... the 4 world systems maintain existence .....which is caused by the light of the world ...... when the light comes from within .....no more systems are required ......thus no more need ....and no more love of money ....it was only one of the systems of control .... the MOON EYE (money) is only a REFLECTION of a deeper problem .....it is evidence of a SOLAR/SOL/SOUL problem ..... the problem is maintained with the thought "there is nothing new under the sun" we rise above the SUN/SON .....then the sun and moon go dark ...pass away .....as the star fall down/bow a knee well hope you catch this..... Okay Wind Rider, I get it. The 4 "walls" of the ILL-US-ion are maintained by giving them power. Once you TRANCE END the 4 walls you move beyond this "LIEght" world into the "supernatural"(sun and moon go dark). Meaning I've just got to let go of the digits (money) and walk away from it, Yes? In other words just let go and let "spirit" deal with the mundane silliness |
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Briarius User ID: 34866753 United Kingdom 02/22/2013 12:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wind Rider - Could you guide me to material on unseen world that could help. Perhaps you could go to my discussion and post any helpful material to guide me. I'm gonna let go of digits (moneye) ill-us-ion and trust "spirit" to bring me where it wants me to go. Here is my discussion: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15244914 United States 02/22/2013 12:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if heaven's not my home, then, Lord, what can I do... the angels beckon me to heaven's open door, and I can't feel at home in this world anymore." When we love the Lord, we let go of the things in this world and recognize that this is not our home. We're only here temporarily, and we should let go emotionally of everything this world has to offer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15244914 United States 02/22/2013 12:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Authentic Christians have true peace and joy. "Good time" depends on a person's world view. The "world's" view of a good time differs from the good time which Christians experience, based on the proper and acceptable "God" view. Our worldview defines who we are. |
grimmlord User ID: 33815406 United States 02/22/2013 02:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read it in another topic but i dont understand. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13449452 John 12:25 he who loves his life will lose it, he who hates his life in this world will gain eternal life. From memory might not be exact. dear russian AC , in order to understand what jesus is talking about concerning john 12:25 "he who loves his life will lose it. he who hates his life (in this world) will gain eternal life." , you need to keep this verse in context with the subject that jesus started off at the beginning of john chapter 12 : [link to www.kingjamesbibleonline.org] namely , the subject of john chapter 12 is the future return of jesus christ to jerusalem , the future 2nd passover where the christian elect are "passed over" by the angel of death (satan) because they have the mark of jesus 777 in their brains as opposed to the doomed who have the mark of the beast 666 in their brains , and the return from the dead of the christian jedi priesthood elect ( represented by lazarus = eliezer = christian jedi priests of the shepherdschapel.com ) . now . please note the importance of the preceding verse john 12:23 where jesus talks about the "hour IS COMING ( future tense implied ) that the Son of man WILL BE ( future tense ) glorified . most translaters screwed up here because they assumed that the glory would be on the cross , but what jesus is really talking about is his future 2nd coming as the Son of Adam coming from the skies in glory and power . please cross reference with the book of revelations . when jesus talks about "the hour" , he is talking about the final hour of temptation in the latter days when satan is here on earth claiming to be jesus christ returned to rapture you out of here in his UFOs . the next verse john 12:24 is an admonishment by jesus christ to the future christian jedi elect living in the latter days ( now ) , to plant these seeds of truth ( what i am doing now ) among the people . then we come to the particular verse that has you scratching your head : you must understand that the false christ ( satan himself ) comes FIRST . he will come appearing as a being of light with undeniable supernatural powers . he will be accompanied by a cohort of fallen angels who will also appear as beings of light . they will descend from the heavens in the sight of many and the event will definitely be recorded on video . they will appear to be good and will perform many good miracles . in addition , satan will have "modified" his body to exhibit the crucifixion and spear of destiny wounds for the benefit of the doubting thomases . satan will have exactly 5 months ( or moons ) to walk on the earth amongst the peoples . the reason why yahoveh shortened this period down to 5 months is because the fallen angels have a tendency to have sex with females ( and males - many fallen angels are bisexual and/or homosexual ) . the offspring of an anunnaki and a human is a nephilim giant . 1st generation nephilim giants have supernatural powers and grow extremely fast - and as a result , need to eat human flesh and blood (we are the perfect giant food as we contain all the proteins, vitamins, minerals and fats a nephilim needs) . if satan and the fallen angels were allowed to walk the earth for 7 years , there would be no human flesh left as the giant offspring would initiate a huge cannibal feast apocalypse . therefore , the 7 years was shortened to 5 moons as the standard pregnancy is 9 moons in order to pre-empt the return of the nephilim giants . now , satan of course will know that his time is short ( 5 moons ) , but he will make good use of this time by preaching to the world that if you only bow down to him and worship him as christ returned , then he will evacuate you from the earth in his UFO fleet - RAPTURE - so that you will avoid the nibiru apocalypse ( every time nibiru swings around , satan and the fallen angels appear on earth ) . this is the temptation of the final hour that jesus is referencing in john chapter 12 . under no circumstances are you to bow down to the FIRST supernatural being that descends from the heavens claiming to be jesus christ returned to rapture you out of here . you must remain faithful and spiritually a virgin and refuse to bow down . you must be patient and wait 5 moons for the true christ to return because the true christ comes SECOND or after the false christ . ( put another way , the false christ comes at the 6th trump, the 6th vial, and the 6th seal = 666 . the true christ comes at the 7th seal, the 7th vial, and the 7th trump = 777 . thus, the doomed who worship the false one thinking it's the genuine article are sealed with the 666. meanwhile, yahoveh's elect who know that the false dude comes first are sealed with the 777 . 7 comes after 6 . 6 comes before 7 . the bible is not very complicated once you can grasp that it is information from the future so that you would be able to artfully dodge the great end times trap being laid by satan . ) the problem of course is this : those who remain faithful and refuse to bow down to the false christ coming first are going to have an extremely tough 5 months to ride out . that is to say , not only will satan and the fallen angels make the christian elect's life rip ass hell in this 5 month time period , but so will your neighbors and friends and relatives and acquaintances turn against you . this problem is the essence of john 12:25 : if you "love" your life in this world and want to go with the flow/herd and take the easy way out and bow down to the false christ for your free UFO rapture ticket off the earth , then you will forfeit your soul . if you "hate" your life in this satanic fascist wonderland and realize that the masses are making an epic mistake in worshipping this first supernatural being and that the free UFO rapture ticket is a trap , then you will gain eternal life when the true christ finally shows up at the end of the 5 months to put an end to satan's nonsense . YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE CAUGHT BOWING DOWN TO SATAN AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS WHEN THE TRUE CHRIST RETURNS IN GLORY ACCOMPANIED BY HIS SAINTS . verstehen sie mich ? finally , skip to john 12:28 through john 12:31 . again , note the implied future tense . yahoveh declares that he will glorify his name in the resurrection of christ and again in the future when he returns in the second coming through his avatar jesus christ . in verse 29 , the voice like thunder of revelations is referenced showing you that this is all about the latter days . verse 31 needs to be understood in the future tense : " the judgment of this world is coming : the prince of this world shall be cast out . " verse 31 still needs to be fulfilled and will be fulfilled in the true jesus christ's second coming . so , russian AC 13449452 , good luck to you and i hope that peer pressure doesn't get the better of you when satan is here on earth doing his 5 month rapture baloney pony show ... register an account first and then chat with grimmlord on spam.com/spam tard |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26096947 United States 02/22/2013 02:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It means if you truly love life, your actions will be rewarded by getting to go to heaven. Possibly reincarnation? ..and if you hate life you are damned to the hell of your own creation for all eternity. ..or possibly reincarnation?? Whatever they meant, either way there is no heaven or hell or reincarnation. The message here here pretty straight forward: ..Life is what YOU make it. |
moon User ID: 15717488 United Kingdom 02/22/2013 06:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You have slighty misquoted the Verse - hate should be replaced with not enjoying this life! Those that follow the path of God - to be righteous and folow the Commands of God etc would not be tempted by sin or any other wrongdoing. Those that follow this Path will have eternal life in the HereAfter. All religions have similar scriptures. Only those that enjoy themselves love this world. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1548981 Australia 02/22/2013 07:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It means if you truly love life, your actions will be rewarded by getting to go to heaven. Possibly reincarnation? ..and if you hate life you are damned to the hell of your own creation for all eternity. ..or possibly reincarnation?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26096947 Whatever they meant, either way there is no heaven or hell or reincarnation. The message here here pretty straight forward: ..Life is what YOU make it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34932414 United States 02/22/2013 07:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read it in another topic but i dont understand. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13449452 John 12:25 he who loves his life will lose it, he who hates his life in this world will gain eternal life. From memory might not be exact. It means if you live for THIS life, and for THIS world, that you will forfeit the REAL prize. Eternal life. If you are disgusted by what this world has become, and you do your best to live unspotted by the world, then you will live for God, and for the kingdom of heaven. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22853892 Germany 02/22/2013 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Where did you read alcohol is forbidden? This is the meaning of that verse: Quoting: Moon 34847836 Those that follow the path of God would not be tempted by any sin or wrong doing. So no adultry, alcohol, harming anyone, etc those that follow this path will have eternal life in the HereAfter. This world is only loved by those looking for a shallow and fun life. This is not just for Christians but also for Muslims and Jews and mankind. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34866753 United Kingdom 02/22/2013 11:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Where did you read alcohol is forbidden? Quoting: GoVegan This is the meaning of that verse: Quoting: Moon 34847836 Those that follow the path of God would not be tempted by any sin or wrong doing. So no adultry, alcohol, harming anyone, etc those that follow this path will have eternal life in the HereAfter. This world is only loved by those looking for a shallow and fun life. This is not just for Christians but also for Muslims and Jews and mankind. Alcohol maintains the hypnotic trance and keeps people trapped in this FAKE world. It's promoted for a reason just like pot and other things. |
wind rider User ID: 18779084 United States 02/23/2013 08:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | non-movement is actually SIN ......all other thoughts of this or that forbidden are herd morality thoughts... thus it is written GOD DOES NOT CHANGE .....this is the condition of the ADAM ...or GOD trapped (not able to move) within man-kind ..... A DAM ...... some think they are moving as they continue to maintain the world systems all the while thinking about a FUTURE when they will do something different ..... the systems are maintained by ones REACTION ....the systems fall by ACTION .... reactions are systematic participation in group thought ....greed, fear...submission to money ..... action is denial of reaction ....ANY REACTION .... to WATCH and known as we are known ..... wind rider |
stars User ID: 17867407 United States 02/23/2013 08:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't think that your life is so perfect, you don't need God and His Son Jesus Christ, tomorrow you may die, then you will have lost you life forever. Quoting: Daughter and takes it, Id trust God, He's is actualy the only one who knows he's doing, this I know. God has a love beyond all others. stars |
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LeoDaLion User ID: 34459147 United States 02/23/2013 08:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's easy its talking about loving your life for selfish reasons if you love your life because you love all your possesions and earthly things and but them before god then u already damned yourself but if you hate all your earthly things and love god then u will have a place in heaven. its easier to understand it from gods perspective: we got 2 men man A and man B. Man A. he is Rich and famous has everything he ever wants loves his life more than he loves god. Man B. poor man just makes enough to get buy but he's happy he has god in his life and he loves him with all his heart. which man do you thing deserves heaven more? LEO |
Grind User ID: 34880772 United States 02/23/2013 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read it in another topic but i dont understand. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13449452 John 12:25 he who loves his life will lose it, he who hates his life in this world will gain eternal life. From memory might not be exact. it means if someone writes something down, and someone else talks about it, then it must be true. your book is garbage, and so is your mind. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34967856 United States 02/23/2013 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read it in another topic but i dont understand. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13449452 John 12:25 he who loves his life will lose it, he who hates his life in this world will gain eternal life. From memory might not be exact. It's a commentary about perception and how it affects one's state of consciousness and awareness of one's existence. A person who immerses himself/herself in this physical plane and seeks an identity that is defined by the physical/material world will surely lose that identity (read as 'life' in the passage) when he/she passes. Every physical, living 'thing' on this plane will surely pass away - the physical existence is impermanent. So if you seek your identity and define yourself by the parameters of physical world, you will lose that identity (life) you have created when you inevitably pass away and move on. On the other hand, a person who has embraced a spiritually-based (non-physical) mindset may find himself/herself to be unhappy ('hate' is a strong word) being temporarily 'stuck' in this physical/material world - but this perception will enable an individual to raise his/her awareness (or state of consciousness) to a sufficient threshhold where he/she is able to recognize & internalize the eternal nature of the soul (even while still inhabiting the physical flesh). In other words, if a comet was scheduled to arrive tomorrow and wipe out everything on the Earth - the person who seeks a physical/material based identity will likely be horrified and feel that his/her 'life' will end with the 'death' of the physical body. The person who has internalized a spiritual identity will feel at peace within, because he/she understands that 'death' of the physical body is merely a necessary and inevitable process that enables the soul/spirit to transition back to it's natural (and eternal) form. Does that make sense? Very much so and as usual you've succinctly hit the nail on the proverbial head. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 22853892 Germany 02/24/2013 12:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read it in another topic but i dont understand. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13449452 John 12:25 he who loves his life will lose it, he who hates his life in this world will gain eternal life. From memory might not be exact. dear russian AC , in order to understand what jesus is talking about concerning john 12:25 "he who loves his life will lose it. he who hates his life (in this world) will gain eternal life." , you need to keep this verse in context with the subject that jesus started off at the beginning of john chapter 12 : [link to www.kingjamesbibleonline.org] namely , the subject of john chapter 12 is the future return of jesus christ to jerusalem , the future 2nd passover where the christian elect are "passed over" by the angel of death (satan) because they have the mark of jesus 777 in their brains as opposed to the doomed who have the mark of the beast 666 in their brains , and the return from the dead of the christian jedi priesthood elect ( represented by lazarus = eliezer = christian jedi priests of the shepherdschapel.com ) . now . please note the importance of the preceding verse john 12:23 where jesus talks about the "hour IS COMING ( future tense implied ) that the Son of man WILL BE ( future tense ) glorified . most translaters screwed up here because they assumed that the glory would be on the cross , but what jesus is really talking about is his future 2nd coming as the Son of Adam coming from the skies in glory and power . please cross reference with the book of revelations . when jesus talks about "the hour" , he is talking about the final hour of temptation in the latter days when satan is here on earth claiming to be jesus christ returned to rapture you out of here in his UFOs . the next verse john 12:24 is an admonishment by jesus christ to the future christian jedi elect living in the latter days ( now ) , to plant these seeds of truth ( what i am doing now ) among the people . then we come to the particular verse that has you scratching your head : you must understand that the false christ ( satan himself ) comes FIRST . he will come appearing as a being of light with undeniable supernatural powers . he will be accompanied by a cohort of fallen angels who will also appear as beings of light . they will descend from the heavens in the sight of many and the event will definitely be recorded on video . they will appear to be good and will perform many good miracles . in addition , satan will have "modified" his body to exhibit the crucifixion and spear of destiny wounds for the benefit of the doubting thomases . satan will have exactly 5 months ( or moons ) to walk on the earth amongst the peoples . the reason why yahoveh shortened this period down to 5 months is because the fallen angels have a tendency to have sex with females ( and males - many fallen angels are bisexual and/or homosexual ) . the offspring of an anunnaki and a human is a nephilim giant . 1st generation nephilim giants have supernatural powers and grow extremely fast - and as a result , need to eat human flesh and blood (we are the perfect giant food as we contain all the proteins, vitamins, minerals and fats a nephilim needs) . if satan and the fallen angels were allowed to walk the earth for 7 years , there would be no human flesh left as the giant offspring would initiate a huge cannibal feast apocalypse . therefore , the 7 years was shortened to 5 moons as the standard pregnancy is 9 moons in order to pre-empt the return of the nephilim giants . now , satan of course will know that his time is short ( 5 moons ) , but he will make good use of this time by preaching to the world that if you only bow down to him and worship him as christ returned , then he will evacuate you from the earth in his UFO fleet - RAPTURE - so that you will avoid the nibiru apocalypse ( every time nibiru swings around , satan and the fallen angels appear on earth ) . this is the temptation of the final hour that jesus is referencing in john chapter 12 . under no circumstances are you to bow down to the FIRST supernatural being that descends from the heavens claiming to be jesus christ returned to rapture you out of here . you must remain faithful and spiritually a virgin and refuse to bow down . you must be patient and wait 5 moons for the true christ to return because the true christ comes SECOND or after the false christ . ( put another way , the false christ comes at the 6th trump, the 6th vial, and the 6th seal = 666 . the true christ comes at the 7th seal, the 7th vial, and the 7th trump = 777 . thus, the doomed who worship the false one thinking it's the genuine article are sealed with the 666. meanwhile, yahoveh's elect who know that the false dude comes first are sealed with the 777 . 7 comes after 6 . 6 comes before 7 . the bible is not very complicated once you can grasp that it is information from the future so that you would be able to artfully dodge the great end times trap being laid by satan . ) the problem of course is this : those who remain faithful and refuse to bow down to the false christ coming first are going to have an extremely tough 5 months to ride out . that is to say , not only will satan and the fallen angels make the christian elect's life rip ass hell in this 5 month time period , but so will your neighbors and friends and relatives and acquaintances turn against you . this problem is the essence of john 12:25 : if you "love" your life in this world and want to go with the flow/herd and take the easy way out and bow down to the false christ for your free UFO rapture ticket off the earth , then you will forfeit your soul . if you "hate" your life in this satanic fascist wonderland and realize that the masses are making an epic mistake in worshipping this first supernatural being and that the free UFO rapture ticket is a trap , then you will gain eternal life when the true christ finally shows up at the end of the 5 months to put an end to satan's nonsense . YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE CAUGHT BOWING DOWN TO SATAN AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS WHEN THE TRUE CHRIST RETURNS IN GLORY ACCOMPANIED BY HIS SAINTS . verstehen sie mich ? finally , skip to john 12:28 through john 12:31 . again , note the implied future tense . yahoveh declares that he will glorify his name in the resurrection of christ and again in the future when he returns in the second coming through his avatar jesus christ . in verse 29 , the voice like thunder of revelations is referenced showing you that this is all about the latter days . verse 31 needs to be understood in the future tense : " the judgment of this world is coming : the prince of this world shall be cast out . " verse 31 still needs to be fulfilled and will be fulfilled in the true jesus christ's second coming . so , russian AC 13449452 , good luck to you and i hope that peer pressure doesn't get the better of you when satan is here on earth doing his 5 month rapture baloney pony show ... |
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