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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 815535  United States02/27/2013 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31546051  Canada02/27/2013 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is the Exsultet sang during Easter Vigil Quoting: RDprofessor high Mass when we light candles waiting for the Light of the World, Christ Jesus: Complete 1962 and 1975 (final verse changed) in Latin and English: [link to www.preces-latinae.org] ^^^^Read it for yourself !^^^^ Catholic Encyclopedia The name Lucifer originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance. The Vulgate employs the word also for "the light of the morning" (Job 11:17), "the signs of the zodiac" (Job 38:32), and "the aurora" (Psalm 109:3). Metaphorically, the word is applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12) as preeminent among the princes of his time; to the high priest Simon son of Onias (Ecclesiasticus 50:6), for his surpassing virtue, to the glory of heaven (Apocalypse 2:28), by reason of its excellency; finally to Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16; the "Exultet" of Holy Saturday) the true light of our spiritual life. The Syriac version and the version of Aquila derive the Hebrew noun helel from the verb yalal, "to lament"; St. Jerome agrees with them (In Isaiah 1.14), and makes Lucifer the name of the principal fallen angel who must lament the loss of his original glory bright as the morning star. In Christian tradition this meaning of Lucifer has prevailed; the Fathers maintain that Lucifer is not the proper name of the devil, but denotes only the state from which he has fallen (Petavius, De Angelis, III, iii, 4). Lucifer is not the proper name of the devil, but denotes only the state from which he has fallen (Petavius, De Angelis, III, iii, 4). ... So in laymans terms, you are saying his name was Lucifer when he was on the good side and after "God" cast him out, then his name changed to satan or the devil etc ... Essentially he was known as Lucifer while he was in Heaven but after being cast down to earth..?, he then became satan/devil/beezelbub or whatever ...please and thank you "lucifer" became the "adversary" and "accusor" Satan after his Rebellion against God, and those of the Heavenly host who sided with he and were cast down ceased to be angels, but became demons. Such as Beelzebub, Moloch, etc. Demonologists and Church Fathers, Theologians, Mystics, etc are not in full total agreement on exactly how "elevated" or "powerful", to speak in such terms, this angel was before he rebelled. At least as powerful as Michael, Raphael, and Gabriel individually. He seems more powerful to us here because he lives here now, among the Earth and in the air which surrounds the Earth. "lucifer" is more of a former condition than an actual name. The Exsultet above, if anyone reads my link to it, [link to www.preces-latinae.org] is not referring to "Satan" at all, it is referring to the morning star Venus which is bright to be seen just before sunrise, that the morning star "find it" meaning the eternal flame in our candles, held in anticipation of the Resurrection and symbolizing Christ's triumphant journey conquering Death at the Dawn of the Paschal Feast known in English as "Easter", The "night" is blessed only because it is the actual eve of The Resurrection. We hold Mass at Midnight called the Easter Vigil which is when this Exsultet can be sung. Ending according to the 1975 Missal: O truly blessed night, in which heaven is united to earth, and God to man! We beseech thee therefore, O Lord, that this candle, consecrated to the honor of thy name, may continue burning to dissipate the darkness this night. And being accepted as a sweet savor, may be united with the celestial lights. Let the morning star find it alight, that star which never sets: Christ Thy Son, who came back from hell, and shone with brightness on mankind, and who liveth and reigneth for ever and ever. Amen. case closed. lucifer is merely the luminous star. Before Satan rebelled, he was a luminous bright Angel, one of the earliest created angels, one who was near the Very Throne of God. So always know this Devil is no longer an angel at all, any reference to the Devil as "lucifer" is totally in the past tense as to his former condition only. Thank you for your input RD, much appreciated! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29664805 United States02/27/2013 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2697490 This will all make much more sense after something happens to the new Pope (8th), and Benedict (7th) resumes. That could be also. But I just noticed something else. The Bible doesn't say that the 8th is a king, so maybe he will not be a pope in the sense of being called a pope. "and is of the seven"... Has to be Benedict, right? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2697490 Canada02/27/2013 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rev. 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35165735 BBC News - Ariel Sharon: Israeli ex-PM in coma 'has brain activity' Wow I often wondered about him, and what happened to him. They are coming at us from all sides. Knowing the Word of God will be the only way to not be deceived. Thanks for the info. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23801109 United States02/27/2013 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am pulling my hair out and fretting, running from one church to another, to just the scriptures, for answers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32300303 All churches seem wrong. Here is the history: I read the Bible all the time and loved Jesus so much. One day I asked him to please send me the Holy Spirit. Later that evening in bed I felt like all of a sudden a pillar was shoved up my back all the way to my brain. The next day I could see spirits in everything and God would give me answers in the Bible to questions I had. Generally. When I asked why was Lucifer a morning star and Jesus too, I never understood. Also, I never understood why Jesus said he had given the disicples his Father's Word, and his Father's name, but I could not find him naming his Father in the whole new testament. Why did Jesus never name his Father? Good questions. Are you perhaps looking at "not the best" translation of the Bible? Surely you're aware that all Bibles in English are translations; and we're grateful as the original languages were Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek - languages that few of us speak/read. I would highly recommend one translation that's known for having restored God's name Jehovah over 7,000 times to where it originally appeared... The New World Translation. Jesus most definitely cared about God's name and we have proof: (Matthew 6:9) "YOU must pray, then, this way: Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified." (John 17:6,26) I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word... And I have made your name known to them and will make it known, in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them. Given those statements, can you imagine Jesus reading from the book of Isaiah and not using the name? (see Luke 4:16-21 which is quoting Isaiah 61:1,2) (Luke 4:16-21) 16 And he came to Naz′a·reth, where he had been reared; and, according to his custom on the sabbath day, he entered into the synagogue, and he stood up to read. 17 So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor, he sent me forth to preach a release to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away with a release, 19 to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.” 20 With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed upon him. 21 Then he started to say to them: “Today this scripture that YOU just heard is fulfilled.” You can read this wonderful translation online at jw.org |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2697490 Canada02/27/2013 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2697490 This will all make much more sense after something happens to the new Pope (8th), and Benedict (7th) resumes. That could be also. But I just noticed something else. The Bible doesn't say that the 8th is a king, so maybe he will not be a pope in the sense of being called a pope. "and is of the seven"... Has to be Benedict, right? I'm not sure, but we are going to find out soon enough. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31120633 United States02/27/2013 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because if you believe the message is from god, does the father of the messenger really make a difference? actually AC brings up a good point. Jesus could have said my father Yahweh who is in heaven but he never specified this... I wondered about that as well especially in the context of Jesus telling the pharisses that they are of their father the devil. Old testament vs New Testament has some uncertainties it seems. |
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| morphic oceans User ID: 25960283 United Kingdom02/27/2013 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are alot of peoples brains/minds going two to the dozen with all this internet information. There are those whose portals are open and the end games are so much real dare I say interesting? Open your mind and heart and believe in peace, truth,justice and love and see what happens. God give man dominion over the creatures of the world and see what man has done? Is this the behaviour of love and compassion. I've read people philosophize over the concept of cruelty. That it exists only in men. Didn't someone say man is the measurement of all things? The concept of cruelty only exists on an existentialistic mind pattern? One can create/feel love within this sovereign/sovereigns. Perfect man has an equal balance of intellect and emotion. Was this Christ? Is it you? Is it the pope? Alot of people in power are psychopaths. They are up there and couldn't give two hoots about me and you on the bottom. Is this the pope? You pray to psychopaths and they give you war. Whenever a new war is about to begin the authorities call for a cull on animals. A blatant Satanic sacrifice. A badger cull for Iran. In music they have had their share of deaths. Sure to a certain extent its the nature of the game,but overall? Please! Next time you listen to the pope or a politician just remember. If you were on fire would he piss on you? |
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| SE User ID: 1673157 Canada02/27/2013 09:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pope Benedict will be named Pope Emiritus in effect there will be TWO Popes! This has NEVER happened before... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 815535 There is not 2 Popes. POPE is an elected office. Once his Fisherman Petra (Peter) Ring is defaced and crushed he is no longer POPE. In the early days of the Roman Catholic Church it happened many times. |
| SE User ID: 1673157 Canada02/27/2013 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because if you believe the message is from god, does the father of the messenger really make a difference? JESUS = 74 (J+E+S+U+S, or 10+5+19+21+19) LUCIFER = 74 Anyone remember the 'big butter Jesus' / 'King of Kings' statue that was struck by lightning and burned to the ground on 14/6/10 ? |
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| LaniJane User ID: 35343646 United States02/28/2013 07:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am pulling my hair out and fretting, running from one church to another, to just the scriptures, for answers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32300303 All churches seem wrong. Here is the history: I read the Bible all the time and loved Jesus so much. One day I asked him to please send me the Holy Spirit. Later that evening in bed I felt like all of a sudden a pillar was shoved up my back all the way to my brain. The next day I could see spirits in everything and God would give me answers in the Bible to questions I had. Generally. When I asked why was Lucifer a morning star and Jesus too, I never understood. Also, I never understood why Jesus said he had given the disicples his Father's Word, and his Father's name, but I could not find him naming his Father in the whole new testament. Why did Jesus never name his Father? It is the unpronounceable name. If it were to be uttered, it would initiate the unraveling of the universe...something to that effect. "There are nights when the wolves are silent and only the moon howls." ~ George Carlin |
| Dutch Retriever (OP) User ID: 3705  Netherlands03/01/2013 03:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Dutch - does that priest John O'Conner have any other videos to view? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34104390 Here you go, almost 2 hours. Interview from 1986-1987 Last Edited by GM2019 on 03/01/2013 03:57 AM A small change at one place in a complex system, can have large effects elswhere.. |
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| Dutch Retriever (OP) User ID: 3705 Netherlands03/01/2013 04:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cardinal Angelo Sodano speaks of the Angel of the Apocalypse Also strange the Cardinal says to The Pope, the last 8 years our heart also burned like yours, and the Pope speaks about that periode of a time of joy. A small change at one place in a complex system, can have large effects elswhere.. |
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