Christians, click this thread and explain to me how i am wrong.

Okay.

Have it your way.

Good day.

That's right.
Just keep listening to the voice of the serpent.
I'm sure it will all work out for you in the end.

and these bait threads are getting quite tiresome.

Good day to you as well.

No serpents voices here buddy just thorough investigation of the origins and rise to power of christianity.

The reason i feel the need to wake you idiots up is that you are the ones holding us back... constantly waiting for a savior to come and save you from the bad guys, we need to unite as a species and take our world back but you guys would rather sit on your ass at your little social clubs every sunday and talk about how much better you are than everyone... i was brought up in a church, i know what its like...

Why wont any if you christians attack what i wrote in my OP with intelligent arguments? You people are so hillarious!

Op you are wrong because before you even finish the first paragrah you are loading the question with pre-concieved ideas. You want an enlightening answer ask a thoughtful question.

You are just mining for crap with crap tools.

When you are in hell because you rejected Jesus you will have plenty of time to rethink your decision. But of course it won't do you any good. You are captain of your own ship, enjoy your trip.

As for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

If you look at the story of GODS FROM THE HEAVENS as ETs, then the entire bible is more plausible.

For example, Animals in the ark would be DNA samples. Held in storage so they could make them afterwards.

Etc.

I know, I sound crazy. LOL.

No, personally that makes 100000 times more sense than the bible.

You only serve your version of god because he will burn you if you dont... thats right, your beloved god WILL burn your soul for ETERNITY if you dont kiss his ring...

Your god does not deserve worship, anyone who gives an ultimatum does not do so out of love...

Hahahah still not one response attacking my ideas. Just moronic sheep condemning me to hell haha you christians are pathetic. Attack the ideas presented in my OP!

God created satan, satan was a beautiful angel at one time. pride arose in his heart and he said "i will be like the Most high God" well God kicked him out of heaven...then he decieved adam and eve. when MAN sinned it shut the door of Heaven. God said that nothing sinful could be in his sight. He promised to send a messiah.

imbred? really?? what does evilution boil down too? whats the gene pool of a rock!??

the bible is a progressive narrative. we see that God is Holy and when we die...we can not enter His presence because of Sin. so He set up the sacrafice of His SON on our behalf. so the day you stand before Him in His court. you can be legaly set free! we Broke Gods laws and Jesus paid our fine. there is much proof out there for the Bible. if you are willing to look check out this site. i have spent countless hours on here. im sorry i suck at typing.

evidence and answers.....
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objections and answers.
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The message of the Bible really Boils down to this....

10 out of 10 die. and how 150,000 people walk off into eternity every 24hours. and the bible says "that its appontied unto man to die once thenthe judgement" and like to quote romans 3:19-20. showing 2 of the purposes of the law... to STOP the mouth and leavethe whole world GUILTY before God. for when we look into His perfect Law we see ourselfs in the true light. i like to stress that on the day of judgement we will be primarly judged vertically! compared to Him. not horizallty..each other.. major misconception. for we all think were better then our "neighbor". but God said He has set aside a day in which He will judge the world in righteouness (acts17,roman2, daneil, rev) and that "perfection" is the ONLY WAY IN! then i like to tell them the quick story of the little girl looking at the sheep in the green pasture. she was thinking wow that sheep is white and clean...but then when it started to snow, she thought o my maybe that sheep is really not that clean! well what changed? the sheep? NO. the background changed. and thats what we all need to do! is look into Gods "mirror" His Law. and we see we have all blowen it! no one good no not one! For we have all broken Gods laws.(ten commandments.) and knowing He sees lust as adultery and hate as murder! We are ALL in trouble! ... We all must jump through the door if death. And just like if you jumped from a plane at 10,000 feet the law of gravity will have NO MERCY! But if you are wearing a parachute you will be ok!! So in the same way... If you die in your sins you will face a law much harsher then the law of gravity. It will be God and His perfect law. Which we ALL have broken many times over! BUT God in His great mercy has provided a way of escape! If you repent( tell God you are turning from sin) and put your TRUST in what Jesus did for you on that cross 2,000 years ago... He will be your parachute!! For if you trust in HIM ALONE FOR SALVATION YOU ement!
WE BROKE GODS LAWS JESUS PAID OUR FINE! Trust in Him today for He is the only way in! John 14:6, acts4:12, 1tim2:5.
If you do .,, He will forgive every sin you ever committed and grant you the GIFT of eternal life! Ephesians 2:8-9.
A lot of people are on the wrong path and Jesus said He Is THE PATH. Mathew chapter7. Don't trust in a " system" or sacraments or baptism or anything other then the shed blood of Jesus! For NO one will beat there chest in heaven. It's purely a Gift! salvation is a GIFT to be recieved not a reward to be earned!

your faith is only as good as the object you put it in! for some people preach "another Jesus" and "another gospel" (2 corinthians 11)

check this out...
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heck this out.
only 5 min. really sums it up.
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OP : if you think all this is BS, why bother starting a thread?

Another insecure atheist/agnostic

The reason i feel the need to wake you idiots up is that you are the ones holding us back... constantly waiting for a savior to come and save you from the bad guys, we need to unite as a species and take our world back but you guys would rather sit on your ass at your little social clubs every sunday and talk about how much better you are than everyone... i was brought up in a church, i know what its like...

I understand what it says in the bible.

I think evolution isn't true for I have not personally seen the fossil records therefore believing in the scientists who claim it to be true would be no different than believing in a religion written by men.

I simply wanted commentary on my OP.

Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It is a very mean and nasty place and it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't how hard you hit; it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. How much you can take, and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done. Now, if you know what you're worth, then go out and get what you're worth. But you gotta be willing to take the hit, and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you are because of him, or her, or anybody. Cowards do that and that ain't you. You're better than that!

Beautiful words my friend, I have come to this conclusion as well but I just think it would be beneficial to all of humanity if we had more people willing to stand up for their fellow man.

Much love my friend.

Why would we attack your ideas? We could correct them, but do you really want the truth? See this is the thing, if you valued truth wouldn't you seek the answers yourself? I discern disdain in your voice, and this disdain will keep you from wanting the truth in the first place.

You wrote
If god truly created a being and let him take over the planet where his most prized creations had just been created than i wouldn't want to meet him. That god would be an evil psychopathic ego driven monster who demands worship in order to be saved from a being he created when he could easily destroy satan or banish him to another universe.

I'll be honest, your premise is wrong therefore your conclusion is wrong AND your conclusion keeps you from wanting to know the correct premise. Do you really think that your Creator is "an evil psychopathic ego driven monster "? Here's the thing if you do: He'll let you believe that He is because there is no yearning in your heart to learn to love the truth. On the other hand, if you don't; why stops you from asking Him? What makes you repeat false interpretations and what makes you believe those false interpretations? Look around you...the world is weighed down by wrong doings and bad choices, yet you somehow think unity will solve the problems. Why? How? I'll give an example...one boy doesn't swear but his five friends do. What happens when the six spend time together? Do the five boys improve their language, or does the sixth boy pick up swearing? More often than not, it's the latter. Now substitute sodomy, stealing, telling lies, etc. THIS is what is happening all around you. Now please tell me again why do you think unity will solve the world's problems, when at the heart of it, wicked behaviours are the cause? A world united will not be on God's laws, but on what wicked men deem good. This is scripture.

You have made some very valid points especially about why would God kill himself?!

Christianity believes in the Origin of Sin. This is also bullshit.

Book of Isiah 17 18 states that The soul that sineth shall die but whoever turns away from sin shall not die the father cannot bare the inequity (sin) of the son and vice versa.

When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit they were banned from Paradise but were allowed to return. Thus proving that God is just.

We all do originate from Adam and Eve but we are not all from the same womb.

Finally evolution can be disproved in one sentance. Darwins theory of evolution is a THEORY but not fact of evolution.

I'll be honest, your premise is wrong therefore your conclusion is wrong AND your conclusion keeps you from wanting to know the correct premise. Do you really think that your Creator is "an evil psychopathic ego driven monster "? Here's the thing if you do: He'll let you believe that He is because there is no yearning in your heart to learn to love the truth. On the other hand, if you don't; why stops you from asking Him? What makes you repeat false interpretations and what makes you believe those false interpretations? Look around you...the world is weighed down by wrong doings and bad choices, yet you somehow think unity will solve the problems. Why? How? I'll give an example...one boy doesn't swear but his five friends do. What happens when the six spend time together? Do the five boys improve their language, or does the sixth boy pick up swearing? More often than not, it's the latter. Now substitute sodomy, stealing, telling lies, etc. THIS is what is happening all around you. Now please tell me again why do you think unity will solve the world's problems, when at the heart of it, wicked behaviours are the cause? A world united will not be on God's laws, but on what wicked men deem good. This is scripture.


Thanks for the reply!

What specifically is wrong about my premise?

I don't think my creator is evil, I know my creator is beautiful beyond human words. The being known to us as god loves all of us and would never condemn our eternal souls to a place of pain for growing up in the wrong place and reading the wrong book.

I talk with the creator every day and gain insight into my life by reflecting upon my daily actions.

If we all unite for truth and justice evil narcissists wouldn't be able to take control because we would not allow it.

I agree that evolution is pure bullshit, no debate about that brother.

I personally edmire the morals Christianity teaches. I just think that majority of the bible is purely for control over the citizens of countries. I mean look at the founder of modern Christianity for example. Way back in 325 AD Constantine was having trouble maintaining his empire because of the fact that there were hundreds of different versions of the bible and they seemed to contradict eachother. He then created the council of nicea which was a meeting amongst all religious and pagan leaders amongst his land. He then created a creed known as the nicean creed which is the basic understanding of the bible still upheld today. All religious and pagan leaders who did not accept this creed and new bible were ripped from their positions. He did not to this to pay homage to the creator but to unify his empire and further control his people.

Don't forget the part about God wiping the entire world out in the flood so the world would never be evil again.

Whooops, looks like he screwed up on that one!

Did you ever disobey your dad? Did you get punished? Does that make your dad cruel and evil? No, it was because he loved you, didn't want you to get hurt, or hurt others. Why didn't he stop you from doing wrong? If he loved you, wouldn't he have stopped you from doing that wrong? No, he wanted to see if you would listen. The same with God. All He asks is that you love Him and others. He's not going to intervene. It's all on you. That's the two-edged sword of truth, your free will. He gave people 120 years notice about the Flood. 120 years!! One family listened until it was too late. Would you wait 120 years for someone to listen to you. This world is as dark and depraved now as it was back then. He has only given us 10 Laws to follow. If your heart is so hard that you can't follow them, get ready to get wet! He could not come down here without killing everyone (like in the Flood) so He sent His Son as an example. Jesus was such a great example of clean living we killed Him. You are doing the same thing now. Believe in Jesus, follow in His footsteps, love your fellow man. Do this daily (pick up your cross), don't stick it in the ground and brag that your a "Christian" like many do. Be know by your fruit. Produce fruit until you die! You can lose your salvation. Reread the parable of the sower.
So if you want your conclusion to be true OP, you must first be willing to give up your free will. Are you willing to do that? He made this place gave us some rules to follow and we screwed it up. Blaming God for our screwups is a common theme among nonbelievers. Instead you should be asking: how can I be Christ like and make this a better place. It's amazing how much hatred you will get for showing love.
God bless!

I feel sorry for you. You equate the creator of everything in the universe to a human father? no, god is much greater than humans and it does not suffer from the same emotions we are subjected to here on earth. There is no duality when it comes to god, he is not half good half evil. God is pure love.

Only a few Christians have commented on this thread. Please scrutinize my beliefs on your religion. I want to see where in your opinion I am wrong.

what you are asking is impossible. too many races, too many beliefs.

It doesn't have to be all of humanity, even if 25% stood up and demanded change we would see major events take place.

And a 900 foot boat had enough water/food for a zillion animals for 40 days.

lol