My 9 year old, average daughter said "jesus is a bunch of nonsense".

baptism does not save a person. the act of being immersed in water does not save you. you must whole heartedly believe on Christ alone for the atonement of your sins, that God raised him from the dead and you must be born again in spirit. if you truly believe on Christ the rest will follow, thats the starting point. baptism just acts as a public testimony of faith in Christ and is a physical representation of being born again and washed clean of the old natural self.

no, you shut up, the above statement is indeed a fact and hell fire as it should would wrap it's no caring arms around her and never let go.

it is so very sad that someone with a mind would not embrace what jesus stood for, "love" if this offens you, then time is not short enough to rid the world of such behavoir.

put a gun in her and and when the trails of life comes her exit will be swift. for she has no reason to do anything but what suits self and as long as others are here self is not good enough. poor girl and mother, dead people walking, pain on level not soon to ease will remind you of a death not took lightly...;

lol, see my post above, and if you think I don't know how to spell, do a search on ANY of my many posts, and you will see that I know more than most users on GLP how to use and spell your and you're.

then it also should not be hard for you to understand the 1000 rein of christ, which is next. to learn how to treat one another, for believe means to follow and he was sinless...

these christians, a long road ahead...

You can shut me up with one simple scripture...

Post a scripture that speaks of the mysterious "age of accountability" which contrasts with Biblical teachings of God judging us by the content of our hearts.

DO NOT proclaim doctrines of men as the word of God!

OP, I know you were trolling, but may God bless you with the wisdom of His being and His love and salvation. May our Father put the desire in your heart to seek Him and His truth.

youre never going to find something that says directly in the bible "the age of accountability is *blank*" like you and scoffers like you want. sometimes you have to actually know God, his word and his character to know certain things and getting born again through Christ is how you do it; 1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

Mathew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

thats about as direct of a verse as youre going to get. if you truly want more go to this link [link to www.gotquestions.org]

How do you know there is such a place as hell?

She obviously doesn't understand (or hasn't been taught) that the bible and the stories therein are metaphors for each and every individual.

It seems those on both sides are missing out on some ancient and very profound knowledge. The 'Christians' think that someone else will save them, and so they don't even bother with self-transformation. On the other side, we have the atheists, who rightly disagree with the 'Christians' yet that is where they put on their blinders and refuse to even look at anything bearing any of the 'Christian' labels.

So for those on both sides who wish to continue to be ignorant, and to indoctrinate their children with ignorance, instead of teaching them to think for themselves, please continue. Apparently all is as it should be.

This is, of course, if you believe in god, the devil, heaven, hell, and sins. Just because you believe someone will end up in hell doesn't mean that everyone else does. No need to warn of it unless someone is actually afraid that it is going to happen to them. If she says jesus is a bunch of nonsense then obviously she doesn't believe in god so no need to warn about hell. Get it.

" by pointing this out it just shows how serious salvation is"

By pointing this out it just shows how much all religions are based on FEAR. You condemn a 9 yr old girl to hell just because she believes that jesus is a bunch of nonsense. Typical of religitards. Typical of them to cast them into the ol pit-o-fire instead of trying to show them why jesus isn't a bunch of nonsense. But they can't because there is no proof that jesus/god/ or any other deity ISN'T NONSENSE other than a 2000+ year old book that anyone with a pencil, paper and some imagination could write

Its just a joke mate. I am a former etymology student (didnt finish course due to a bun in the oven) I am a grammar Nazi. I wouldn't change me or doubt anyone else's admiration for the English language.

Chip is polite & informative. I like his subtleties. Any other glper could have ripped you to shreds.

Heaven and Hell are both here, now. These are states of mind and each person chooses in which they dwell at each moment, and at each new fork in the road.

So many closed minds...

There is much more to all of this than what you have been taught! It's easy to find, if one simply is to seek.

(but remember to leave all that you think you know at the door when you knock)

// Mathew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." //

imo, that scripture is speaking about 'the now' I believe.

Most assuredly it does not make the case for the existence of an eternal hell (a burning lake of fire) as place of punishment.

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average people don't get it ... unfortunately

Good for her. And good on you for not exploiting her and submitting her to awful cults against her will at a young age. The fire and brimstone of judeau-christian religions are enough to make a grown man cry--I can't even imagine the psychological damage done to young ones that are along for the indoctrination ride.

If she wants to in the future revisit faith, she is more than free to. And I'm sure you won't stop her. She is not in debt to any religion from the onset unlike that disgusting bitch that exposed her handicapped son to such harm.

I scoff the doctrine of men. Yeshua scoffed the doctrine of men. You should scoff the doctrine of men.

One more thing, if you'll read that precious bludgeon you call the Bible, you'll notice that at no time ever did Yeshua threaten an unbeliever with "hell".

He called out self-pious religious people who used their religion to shame and scare people into subjection.

Yeshua loved, blessed, healed, and fed the ordinary person, believer or not.

Here, read this from that mallet wrapped in cowskin;


3 ¶ Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


4 ¶ Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Is. 61.2

5 ¶ Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Ps. 37.11

6 ¶ Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Is. 55.1, 2

7 ¶ Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8 ¶ Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Ps. 24.4, 5

9 ¶ Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.


Go in peace and in HIS WORD, not the tenets of the pharisee.

no, you are the one who is lacking in truth sir in all due respect if you think you, your natural inherently sinful self will make a self transformation. Christ is the only one who can save PERIOD. HE changes you, HE transforms you through belief in HIM. 2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

what does it mean to be 'in christ' ?

I hope they aren't advocating homosexuality as a path for salvation.

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ALL straight from the mouth of Christ himself

Mark 9:43-48 "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

"...anyone who says, 'You fool!" will be in danger of the fire of Hell." (Matthew 5:22)

For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (Matthew 7:13-14)

"But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 8:12)

"Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."Matthew 10:28)

Matthew 25:46, "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Mark 3:29 "But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin."

Luke 16:19-31 "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. [This was at the paradise section, before Jesus died, no one could enter into Heaven.] The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades [Hell], where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire. But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.' He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' He said to them, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced if someone rises from the dead.'"

1. Demonstrate where God is. If you cannot, then perhaps your idea isn't reality at all.

2. Show the location of heaven.

3. Show the location of hell.

4. Prove that the soul exists and, if it does, that your religious system is the correct one out of all of the options.

5. Do this without leaning on non-verifiable information. So no siting the bible as "proof" of anything. If a book is "proof" then I could claim Harry Potter was reality, couldn't I?

Now, I know that none of this will be done, so here is an easier one for you:

Show me that Jesus/God/Satan isn't just a shared imaginary friend. Show differentiation that has physical manifestations that can be measured.

No?

Then stop making terrorist threats.

"You'll burn in a fiery pit of you don't do what I say." Seriously?

Can you hear yourself?

Great! Another one predicting hell for someone, and this time it's a nine-year old. Don't you get it? If she thinks it's nonsense, then there's no hell awaiting her. Only if you believe in Christianity does hell exist.

you should sit her down and say to her,

"honey, garages are blue sometimes, rabbit sometimes dance in the rain, but cars will always breathe potato"

Yes, I thought Jesus was a bunch of hokum when I was than age too. Kids are full of foolishness.

// ALL straight from the mouth of Christ himself //

Did you hear him say those things?

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And you can't see how that doesn't address my point?

Have it your way. Go tell them they're going to hell.

There is no word of "god" all are created by bloodthirsty old men who want to control the dumb and ignorant.
People who profess to having blind faith in Jesus are mentally handicapped and want an imaginary friend to give their ludicrous blindfold beliefs credibility.
Let us have one miracle right here right now and post it on YOUTUBE or STFU.
Amen! Pass the plate. The cost of your chains is increasing. Tax free of course.
Any man of the cloth who has more than one suit of clothes while there are those in the world who have none is a hypocrite. How's YOUR fat gut, caddy driving, big house
Preacher doing anyway?

ill do the best i can to answer you. the first thing that MUST be said is "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible." no amount of evidence will ever be enough for you who seek God rigidly through their own wordly natural self intelligence and scientific means and pride. if you just humble yourself and come to God as a little child with childlike mustard seed faith you will find God.

#1 is fact, i know this, #2 and #3 are conjecture.
1. The spirit of God is everywhere simply put and there for all who want to know him anytime anywhere. Acts 7:48 "the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands"

2. Gods kingdom is beyond space and time; eternal, limitless

3. Hell may be in the center of the earth or another dimension entirely

4.its pretty obvious the soul exists; it is the imeasurable indefinable qualities of the human being that sets us apart from the animals. the spirit is the breath of life. i know christianity is the correct faith, this is unprovable even though ive been shown ample proof of this; again this goes back to the very first points i made. a big portion of evidence at least is that the people who control this world and the nwo are luciferians who hate Christ and this is an absolute fact. you will never attain proof you can hold in your hand, its just not possible. start with simple heartfelt faith in Christ and the rest will follow.

the fiery pit known as the lake of fire was not meant for man but for the devil and his angels, men end up there out of their own free will to deny God.

Tack her out back and nail her to cross and see what she thinks.

wrong

Are you sure that hell does exist?

Have you seen it with your own eyes?

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and your 9 year tard.