Sandy Hook...SHHH....it IS STEPFORD, CT!

Good point - I do remember that threat, and that someone was set to neutralize it, so to speak.

But everything has to be examined, regardless.

"Official story is true--nothing to see here," and "It's a hoax--nothing to see here" don't change that.

I lean more toward paid-off families, than crisis actors--but I guess you could say they're basically the same thing.

How much money would it take to convince a family to go through with this ruse? 5 million? 20 million? Many parents would, I think, start to find it harder and harder to justify NOT accepting the offer, after a point. We all want to make sure our children are cared for and go to great colleges and that our parents have their dreams come true, etc.

As for the person paying out, several, or even many millions of dollars is a small price to pay, for leaving what you believe is a benevolent stamp on American history.

Fair enough. I too have seen very many thoughtful threads here. This one, however, has degraded into one where very few posts contain any cogent discussion. Mostly it's SHILL SHILL SHILL!!!!!

This was for the Hochsprung wake. I was there and opposite the service, across the street, was a wall of bodies for the entire length of Main St. The WBC never showed up.

On the surface, you do a terrific job convincing the idiots (including yourself maybe) this is possible. But there are so many degrees of contact that make your theory incredibly naive. What families? Why are they still here? What about the survivors? What about the witnesses? The Lanza house, car, weapons? What about the bodies? Are they 'acting dead'?

It's pretty stupid really.

Actually I was getting into an area where I shouldn't. Not being a psychiatrist, I am not qualified to dx Lanza. Even if I was, I never met him or know his case history. A few of his former classmates and at least one teacher have commented publically on him. If indeed the diagnosis was Aspergers Syndrome, and that was the new popular diagnosis coming the shrinks beginning in the 1980's, we do not know the severity of it.

At the very least, he probably suffered from anxiety, if what his classmates said were true, and could very well have been prescribed an SSRI or other medication. Personally I call it Geek Syndrome, and look it as such.

Several years ago I hired a young man in his 20's with Aspergers. He was hired for a position of what I will call, "technical services", and was one of the best in his field. His relationship with his fellow employees was typical "geek", and everything was fine for a year.

Then one morning I got a call he was arrested for felony forged prescriptions. He had developed a friendship with a young woman who, in reality was addicted to prescription pain killers, and in short order had manipulated him to commit this crime in order to preserve their "friendship."
Unfortunately we had to let him go.

The moral of this story is, we do not know any where near enough yet, of what was going on in Lanza's life, who besides his mother he had contact with, and whether indeed he could have been manipulated to commit this crime.

Think about how perfect that is Sox. Nobody really had contact with Lanza, oh aside from this mother who is of course dead. Seems Peter and Ryan have not spoken to him in say 3 years ( we don't know because nobody really will ask them ). Gosh this guy is truly under the radar. Oh how perfect.

Drill. Story. Theory. That's all that happened.

There is no other conclusion you can come to.

Too perfect that everyone who can shed light is under a gag order, dead, estranged but talks to the parents, or is one of the participants in this event.

Well put.

And we have persona's such as Sox and Plas constantly spinning the official stories on these grounds. Continually promoting the official version and spinning stories on the level of mental illness causing Adam to do these horrific things, etc. Constantly spinning the same nonsense stories. Avoiding cognitive thought outside of the box of what we've been fed. I really don't believe they are that ignorant or stupid. It is by design and following a storyline and they are here to spin it to us...on and on and on.

Not spinning anything. No matter what comes out, most of you won't believe it. It's more fun to talk up an unprovable conspiracy with 'hard facts' like doctored pictures, incomplete timeline analysis and sophomoric conjecture.

Conspiracy is fun stuff to chat about. A simple story of a troubled murderer is boring.

When the official report comes out, which I suspect will be early December, but may be early next year, I think it may supply the answer WHY?

I hope it addresses the rumors and speculation and attempts to answer those questions. I don't expect anything remarkable. It's hard for people to believe a 20 year old with mental issues could pull this off. If Lanza had lived, and stood trial, there would be no conspiracy theories.

Some will continue to believe the official version is a lie.

The worst thing is special interest groups jumped on it to promote their own agendas, and MSM messed up big time on the reporting.

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Can you show us "any proof" that an Adam Lanza was involved in this event? Any proof? Oh yeah....those doctored up pictures of a bug eyed crazy looking dude and those 2nd hand and 3rd hand reports of "I went to school with Adam yada yada....", I sat around at the tavern with his ma yada yada, I knew them when Adam was younger....and not a current surrounding neighbor or family member comes forward that even claims to know them?! Really? I mean - really????

And you guys promote this bullshit of the official version and stick by it?!

No proof, none, nada, period. And this whole elaborate time lined cast of characters event by event within the event that everyone mentally masturbates over - and NOT A DRIP of BLOOD - ANYWHERE! sheesh! I'm more apt to believe the this was all an event and no one got hurt theory. There is as much proof to this thought as there is to the official story! NONE!!! No proof. Everything is conjecture and assumptions, and not a bit of "matter of fact truth" has been given as evidence on any front by TPTB. And we're 10 months into this!

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Can you show us "any proof" that an Adam Lanza was involved in this event? Any proof? Oh yeah....those doctored up pictures of a bug eyed crazy looking dude and those 2nd hand and 3rd hand reports of "I went to school with Adam yada yada....", I sat around at the tavern with his ma yada yada, I knew them when Adam was younger....and not a current surrounding neighbor or family member comes forward that even claims to know them?! Really? I mean - really????

And you guys promote this bullshit of the official version and stick by it?!

No proof, none, nada, period. And this whole elaborate time lined cast of characters event by event within the event that everyone mentally masturbates over - and NOT A DRIP of BLOOD - ANYWHERE! sheesh! I'm more apt to believe the this was all an event and no one got hurt theory. There is as much proof to this thought as there is to the official story! NONE!!! No proof. Everything is conjecture and assumptions, and not a bit of "matter of fact truth" has been given as evidence on any front by TPTB. And we're 10 months into this!


Show any proof Adam Lanza was in the school that morning? Then the local and state police, FBI, ATF, DHC and whoever else who responded there that day are all full of shit?

A body of an adult male was found in Soto's classroom. The mother's Honda was parked in the bus zone. The weapons involved were registered to a Nancy Lanza. The body had an ID card in name of his brother, Ryan Lanza.

As far as I am concerned, the POS pulled it off, with or without help!

So far your evidence is just a story Sox. Actually all the evidence you point to would indicate that Nancy or Ryan actually did the shooting.

But none of the evidence you just provided would hold up in a court of law. It's all circumstantial at best. All they do to make a case is provide more stories.

What if the adult person they found in the school was say Robert Hoagland? Maybe he was killed and left in the school and they named him said it was Adam. They planted Ryan's ID on him but said it was a mistake.

Right now you have nothing to convict a person named Adam Lanza. Nothing. Unless you can show him in the act or someone who can give testimony of actually seeing him. Otherwise we have no proof someone named Adam was there.

You really are unintelligent.
You're right, it's more believable that some elaborate hoax perpetrated by several agencies of government put this in place years ago. In fact, they even had the 'actors' TEACH the kids to make it REALLY REALLY REALLY believable.

Total fucking moron.

Circumstantial ... you mean like the layered pictures of the 'actors'? Court of law? Are you serious. The authorities have not seen fit to run there evidence by Anonymous Coward #47944390 so it must not exist. Case SOLVED!

Hoagland was ID'd in the gas station months later, genius.

Another total fucking moron.

It comes down to this: no surveillance footage anywhere (there are surveillance cameras everywhere in our country -- we live in a surveillance state sorry to say -- but its a plain fact, major intersections, schools, parking lots, etc., unless your Adam Lanza!). Also, have we ever seen such an aggressive effort by the state to limit information on what happened in a crime? Is privatizing the law for the public's benefit? Do you think Doc Carver will ever mumble a word about this unless he absolutely HAS TO in a Nuremberg-type trial setting? This thing stinks beyond belief. Always will -- something's major is being covered up. The burden of proof should be on the state. Any person or group withholding information about this case is a flat-out terrorist. Actually, worse than a terrorist.

Wow. Thanks. Yes court of law that is how we convict people. Innocent until proven guilty right? They have not run their evidence by anybody. And all you can tell us is about his brother, mom an dad. Oh he had Asperger's and had guns registered to his mom. K. Anything that proves he was there?

Your response seems a bit odd considering you believe it this event was real. Cast me off as a moron I don't care. You are the ones that have to sleep with this.

The thing "stinks beyond belief" because the whole story is not being told. It's goes further up than than the local police.

There is something the public is not supposed to know about this shooting, simple as that.

I'm just talking about whether, in theory, such a thing is possible. And anything is possible for the right amount of money.

There are almost no witnesses. Almost no survivors saw anything; if they had, a lot more than 12 families would be getting $20K. Think about that - out of 438-700 children (depending on whose enrollment figures you believe) only 12 saw anything. And we don't really know--they may not really know--exactly what they saw.

Apparently every single child's body was inside one of two classrooms. How many officers went into those classrooms? Did hundreds of guys really come into the school, peer into those rooms, and then go back outside?

I propose that it would take very, very few officers--justifiably telling everyone else to stay out of the crime scene--to actually see bodies (or see a lack of bodies).

I still think a kidnapping is a possibility, for a number of reasons--primarily, the lack of blood on ANYONE who claimed to come into contact with blood, and the lack of blood on any of the children, the lack of blood anywhere.

So nine children witnessed a bloodbath in the small room they were confined to, and then sailed out the door to Rosen's (and down Main St) with no blood? Not a single parent or witness of any kind reports seeing blood on any of these nine children.

The one and ONLY one girl, from Rousseau's class who was said to be covered in blood, ran straight out the front door with Penna and either to a triage (false--it wasn't even close to established yet) or into her mom's arms. No blood on the sidewalk, on the driveway, on Penna, nothing. Penna is visible in many other photographs that day with not a drop on him. Not a drop on Chapman. Not a drop anywhere.

If it weren't for that total lack of blood--if it weren't for this thing which makes Sandy Hook a total anomaly--I would lean towards a theory of the 911 call system failing or lagging, and officers justifiably horrified at realizing upon arrival that these people had been dead for some time.

However, the lack of blood really forces us elsewhere, unless we're to say that out of sheer effort to control the scene, they managed to keep everyone away from the blood. That still doesn't explain those who we know HAD to be in contact with the blood--or had to be, if their stories are true.

It's a mess. But you can't get past the blood problem. It's just not possible.

I still think a "pretend 20 children are dead or they will be" note would be very powerful, and would coerce the first men on scene, and even the parents, to go along with the kidnappers' demands.

Another post by someone who has obviously never been here. There are no intersections from which footage would have been recorded. There are no security cameras at any of the schools. Not in the parking lots, nowhere. There never have been.

That will be part of the conspiracy, right? BTW, there are still no cameras if you ever get here.

Of course it stinks. We have been clamoring for details since January. You see one, two voices in the MSM and think that's the voice of the town but the MSM ignores the 99% who want answers. We don't want cops at the schools - we want to know what was in the hundreds of pages of journals he kept.

Everybody with a pulse thinks there is a coverup. But actors and guvmint and drills and hoaxes...preposterous.

I know it could be taken out of context, but I can't get past that image of President Obama with the families and their children at the White House a short while later. It looks for all the world like a celebration.

I just would not have released those photos if I were them.

I thought the parent interviews were weird long before I actually consciously began to process a doubt in the official story. Having been around real grieving people very recently, there were many, many points in the parent interviews that an uncomfortable feeling grabbed me. Some of things they said with an air of almost--I think relief, is the term I'd use--would just not be possible to say without sobbing openly. I do not buy the explanation that people grieve differently. There is something weird about the parent interviews. I don't like to focus on that angle because it's a subjective feeling, but I can't deny it. If it weren't for the contrast between how those parents behaved, and how I have personally experienced parents behaving, I doubt I'd ever have wondered about Sandy Hook in the first place.

Sure. They are not suppose to know that it was a drill.

LOL

So what were the contents of the search warrants that really sealed the deal for you made you sure it was a guy named Adam at the school?

Was it the NRA membership card?
Was it the book about living with Asperger's?
Was it the smashed computer and hard drive?
Was it the guns registered in Nancy's name?
Was it the military garb he owned?
Was it the 15x7 spreadsheet of killings?

If you brought all that to a trial the judge would say sure he had a lot of weird things, anything you got in there that proves he was at the school?

I can't keep explaining the same shit over and over to new Anonymous Cowards day after day. I quit this thread.
Good luck
Have fun
Lighten up

NHS has had cameras since 2004.

I keep getting dragged back....
I'm talking about the Elementary Schools. They have nothing.
You guys need to move on to more important shit.

AND........................his birth certificate said he died the day before. Right or wrong? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, think of Vance's strange statement in the other thread--that he interviewed "former students" to find out where the shooter lived.

Isn't that bizarre?

They had the mom's car right there. Doesn't sound like they relied on it for some reason.

Sounds much more like students from the high school had some scuttlebutt going around about who pulled this off--it makes sense to think high school students may have been the ones to report a purple van. If high school students really did see a purple van pull up to the high school, and saw men dressed as nuns carrying weapons, and then shortly thereafter here of a shooting at SHS, they might well have told the police what they saw.

Otherwise, it's hard to understand why Vance would ignore the suspect vehicle plate, yet somehow know to go chasing down "former students" to find out where the shooter(s) lived.

Keep in mind that "Lanza" hadn't been at Newtown High for four years--if he was there at all. What's the point of interviewing former students of NHS to find out where a reclusive kid from for years ago lived?

At the point Vance made that statement, he was NOT confirming Adam Lanza as the shooter. It doesn't sound to me as if he had the character we now know as "Adam Lanza" in mind.

Co-workers??

I still think a parent-gone-crazy scenario is possible, but so is a pack of Klebold wannabes.

The event could be pulled off with very few people knowing about exactly what went down. That small group is already probably about 2 or 3 projects down the road as part of a covert series of operations for some kind of "mass effect" that is not understood by your average Joe (think MK Ultra, Iran-Contra, CIA Coke smuggling in South Central LA in the '80's, LSD experiments on Army, Electric-Kool Aid Acid Test, many others, all PsyOps). The rest of us are left with the the ugliness, hate, and misery they created. Surely, they believe they're doing the right thing. They're pedigreed, you and me are not.

Do you think most American servicemen know the specific geopolitical objective of any American war since Vietnam? Of course not. If they knew, they would say it's un-American and illegal. You can be part of something intensely and not have a clue -- all you need to know is your specific job, nothing else. Combine hyper-emotional media hype with "doing your job" and you have the first-responder mantra from Sandy Hook, with the truth being completely circumnavigated and all the most important stuff falling in between simply ignored. Pure manipulation. No burden of proof required. PsyOps at its Huxleyian best. As far as a sham is concerned, could this be pulled of with just a small group in the know? Absolutely.