Christians Only....Your thoughts on the rapture

Don't hide from it. Don't flee it.

Truth, Lisa.

I love you too, but I'm taken. Sorry.

Your spirit is easy to discern.

Arrogance, pride, evasion.

You are plainly a deceiver and do not have a heart for Jesus Christ,

but you merely use Christ to declare yourself.

It's all about you, Holy Princess.

Love you too, thanks!



Bye bye now, i'm heading out of this thread.

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You guys are all fucking nuts...

Same as always..I don't think Jesus will rapture us until well into the tribulation.

We're not appointed to wrath...but the wrath doesn't start until the 6th seal.Read it for yourself.

He may come as a thief..but that doesn't confirm pre trib rapture fellas.Read Christs quote in Revelation 16:15.
Thats not before the tribulation guys.

Pretty much any argument a pre tribber can provide,has an alternate interpretation or con text that they refuse to see.

Very good analogy loved it. It has alot of truth. We were given some things through our Scripture to be more aware. Some of the truth is still veiled but beginning to unveil. Many I've spoken with can see that much clearly. Be alert, be prepared and in the end we will know the whole truth.

I believe the rapture is when He gathers His elect.. as He comes back...

My opinion only but I think yes. It will become more apparent in time though.

I would just like to say thank for all that have commented. Thank you for shadowing back into the OT for your replys that shows a level of intelligence that many preachers cannot do and a reason why so many do not even attempt to learn. This is an important topic not THE most important but still.

My warning from the first couple pages stands though it is what I wish to convey the most.

Lets keep in kind and sweet; respective of all believers and we can expand the thread to deeper matters.

Sometimes I feel like Christians forgot that God promised to never wipe the earth out again after the flood.

I'm in favor of it.
Preferably BEFORE all hell breaks loose.

Hmmm.

You might want to read Revelations.

The Earth is not totally destroyed but most of mankind is.

I don't believe revelation was a prophecy. Sorry.

It wasn't included in canon until 400AD. And there was a ton of other apocalyptic texts that never made canon either.

It's a load of bollocks imo. If I got exiled on an island with nothing better to do than to piece together old texts; I'd likely lose my mind as well, and then write about it.

Any prophecy which has to threaten people to take it seriously, is not a real prophecy IMO.



May the lord eternal save his troubled child
As he passes through rain and storm
Behind the walls of this hallowed ark of wood
Our holey prophets found a revelation, which they have understood
Onto the lands of fearful heaven comes a flood erasing all
Landing as if a ruthless bird of prey to crush all human souls

The lightning colors the sky with flames of light
Hell shines above us and the fires bright
Erasing the works of the common man, all we hold dear is set alight

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Shattered glass reflects this shattered world barren is the landscape here
Thunder roars as a lion caged, heat that comes like waves of fear
Oceans rise and rage as we watch the world powers fall
Redeeming their sinful ways with their souls
May the truth fill their hearts, let them see the light, when they embrace their gods

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Seas cover the works of timeless art
That once brought joy to human hearts
In halls of infamy this day shall live
Like the burning of rome and betrayal of Eve
Like the fire raised at the witches' stakes

Return all earthly possessions
As ashes you return to earth, child of God, to face the divine lord who sits upon the throne - eyes sad
Go in peace and thy faith
Evolve thy self and lose all hate
So a heaven you may create

In this world of sorrowful ways
None shall live to see the light of day
Some may survive to tell this tale
If their belief shall conquer this gale
Damnation is the punishment bestowed
El Norra Alila the vengeful God

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He's already fucked up the world once; let it rest.

also this forum doesn't display hebrew text; how racist

Last Edited by Johnbert.Lennonstein on 08/16/2013 09:57 PM

It is easy to forget the promises He has made to us in light of our nature and the depth of what is to come. It is interesting though that the book of revelation is the only book that expands upon the promise. It promises a blessing to those who teach,read, and Keep what is written. In the darkest book in Canon he reminds us of His promise to us. A covenent that will not be broken.

Revelation 4
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

The flood comes and goes; it hits people metaphorically. I've already faced the storm, I've faced my tribulation, and I've faced my judgement.

If you've been there, you can understand.

If you're still waiting, I pray you don't go through the things I have gone through.

The rapture happens after the tribulation.. before the judgement.

Like wtf ? LOL show me one verse in the bible where it says other wise.

Pre tribulation rapture is a psy-op... so when shit boils down and millions of Christians aren't raptured they'll turn against god.. and believe he doesn't exist or they were not worthy of saving... thus causing a chain reaction in the brain to produce a angry god-less psychopath in the end times with nothing left to lose..

Last Edited by ABC-XYZ on 08/16/2013 10:03 PM

Can I just ask you people; why do you believe something simply because it was included in a collection of works put together by a group of men?


If you search deep into your hearts, why is the book of revelation relevant?

Why is the words/philosophy of Yeshua not enough?

These are honest questions.

Why do you concern yourself with the future?

Yeshua himself said:

Matthew 6:
34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.



Why take the words of revelation seriously, when all you need to know about life is written in the first three gospels? (The fourth is just a more eloquently written version)

Why can't you just trust in Yeshua and follow in his footsteps?

Why can't you believe that Yeshua is not a blood thirsty warrior?

Why can't you believe that he wouldn't kill children under any circumstance?

Why can't you believe in the prophet micah, but you believe in that lunatic John of Patmos?


Micah 4:
4 In the last days

the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established
as the highest of the mountains;
it will be exalted above the hills,
and peoples will stream to it.
2 Many nations will come and say,

“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the temple of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 He will judge between many peoples
and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.
4 Everyone will sit under their own vine
and under their own fig tree,
and no one will make them afraid,
for the Lord Almighty has spoken.
5 All the nations may walk
in the name of their gods,
but we will walk in the name of the Lord
our God for ever and ever.

Why can't you believe that the Father loves everyone?

Last Edited by Johnbert.Lennonstein on 08/16/2013 10:08 PM

I see.

You have decided to pick and chose what you want.

That is ok, Just always remember:
Christ is the answer.

Blessed are you my friend! Yeshua is the answer!

John of Patmos is not.

They've never even confirmed if he was the apostle john or not; it's only speculation.

Last Edited by Johnbert.Lennonstein on 08/16/2013 10:10 PM

For me because I study and teach(very limited now because I am not in a position at this time to do missions-i have a little one) I have to be prepared because others wish to know or ask me about it.

The last three questions do not really apply to me because I do not think that way anyway.

The Gospels are what I steer new believers to automatically in the beginning because I know as you do the rest is only needed if you wish further enlightenment

The rest doesn't offer further enlightenment though.

Revelation is a burden, not an enlightenment.

That's why people like it. It confuses the fuck out of them, and they think they can make sense of it; BUT YOU CAN'T.

Last Edited by Johnbert.Lennonstein on 08/16/2013 10:13 PM

The very act of expecting Christ's return purifies the soul!!!

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I know and I agree but I will not silence their questions of refuse to broach a topic because of it though. I've been on that side and it is not nice. I would rather someone feel free to ask for guidance under the knowledge that it is a very difficult subject and present all sides than I would them feel limited. Either way God glory still shines.

Sorry but the #1 problem with Christianity is the book of revelation.

The sooner people stop thinking about that book, stop teaching that book, and fuck even stop talking about that book; the sooner the world will become a better place.

The biggest problem with "christians" is that half of htem are hypocrites who don't actually take my Master's words seriously.

They just simply care about paying lip-service and doing things which they feel will impress the father in order to keep them safe during the second coming.

A good majority of them don't actually care about ALL of human life; they are only in it for some sort of comfort in the belief of an eternal paradise; which is kind of fucked up, considering that Yeshua himself said that heaven would pass away.

Acting like Christ is enough.

He was a briliant man, who taught a beautiful philosophy. Taking concern with the afterlife, instead of taking pleasure in just living the word is a big big problem with that religion.

If he came back he would likely shame every one of the hypocrites who live for the sake of their own salvation, rather than living for the well-being of their neighbors.

He would likely tell people that he didn't even want to be worshiped or have a religion named after him. He wanted people to worship his father, yet for some reason he became the center of attention.

He would likely put his most "devout" and "righteous" zealots into everlasting contempt.

Everlasting meaning just an age; or likely a lifetime.

Daniel 12:
2“Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.3“Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.4“But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.”

Remember:
Christ is love.

its my understanding that the 144,000 is the remnant of Israel - the last remaining Jewish Christians that are on the earth at the time of the rapture.

has nothing to do with saved gentile Christians

billions of people will be saved as long as they have Christ

(havent read the whole thread, but wanted to clear that up.)