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Collectivism, is the opposite of individual freedom. A collective cannot tolerate a free individual.

 
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Collectivism, is the opposite of individual freedom. A collective cannot tolerate a free individual.
Collectivism is destroying our nation.
Collectivism is anti-freedom
anti-individual
anti-free market
anti-wealth



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The problem with collectivism, is the same as with communism.
It doesn't actually eliminate poverty, or mean that there isn't a ruling class, it just means that there is no middle class, that all the lower class are equally poor, and the ruling class become dictators that have total control over everyone.

So it is a consolidation of wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer, and the people get poorer and poorer.

Collectivism may work when it comes in a voluntary way, such as churches, religion, or the idea of what Unions use to be before they were hijacked and and turned into a mafia type situation. All those things you can leave behind, or can stop participating in.

The collectivism is nothing more than forced legalized theft at the point of a gun with threat of rape rooms, and laws that only apply to the peons, and underclass.
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Who the fuck is free you fuckin idiot when everything in our world has got a fuckin price tag hanging on it !!!!!????

Capitalism is just another form of communism !!! Everyone is communing to this fucking thing --------->$


happy communing to you comrade !!!!! -------> $


THERE AINT NO FUCKING FREEDOM IN THIS WORLD YOU MORON !! WE ARE NOTHING BUT A RACE OF CHEAP CALCULATORS. WAKE THE FUCK UP AND PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS !!!!
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Who the fuck is free you fuckin idiot when everything in our world has got a fuckin price tag hanging on it !!!!!????

Capitalism is just another form of communism !!! Everyone is communing to this fucking thing --------->$


happy communing to you comrade !!!!! -------> $


THERE AINT NO FUCKING FREEDOM IN THIS WORLD YOU MORON !! WE ARE NOTHING BUT A RACE OF CHEAP CALCULATORS. WAKE THE FUCK UP AND PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS !!!!
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Statism is slavery. It is the force of the state that enforced the ability for the bankers and money creation to take over.
The "LAWS" of the collective government have given away our nation to bankers.
Bailouts and more power to the fed were given under Bush,
Bailouts and more power to the fed were continued under Obama.

I am awake.




The money created by a private family is not capitalism.
Lobbyists are not capitalism
The merger of state and corporate powers is not capitalism, or a free market
You have never witnessed a free market, or capitalism in your entire lifetime.



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^ Not-OP is right.

Don't put herbivores in your piranha tank and say that it's an nonviable strategy in nature. You've never seen real direct democracy or a socialism that wasn't surrounded by a horde of greedy capitalists.
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I am not going to watch this video.
What you are saying is incredibly ignorant. Collectivism is not like that. Whoever told you this is traitorous to the American way.
Collectivism is in no way the opposite of individual freedom when the collective is on the the same train of thought or ideals that pertain to freedom...
It seems to me that your definition of a free individual is someone who is entirely privilaged in life.
Go away.
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It won't necessarily be the strongest who survive, nor the most intelligent.
It will be the one most capable of adapting to the rapidly changing environment.
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Collective action is the only way to free the individual. Individuals will fall before groups.
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it is part of the human condition that certain types want power OVER.....
that certain types want to control in order to perpetuate their own version of how the world should work.
It is not conducive to healthy growth and interaction.
The best form of government is one that allows choice and inhibits those who would enslave.
There is a difference between a co operative and a collective.
The former implies choice
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I don't know any "individual" who survived alone without the "collective" for much time...

Except for Robinson Crusoe. And he still had the help of "Friday".

And also, he was a fictional character...


whatever
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Collective action is the only way to free the individual. Individuals will fall before groups.
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I'm not sure who you are defending here.

If a man is free

Truly free, owes no man anything

Then if that man wants to agree to be part of something for mutual benefit then that is one thing, and I wouldn't necessarily call it the collective. It would be more of a group, or a gathering of like minded individuals.


A collective at the point of a gun, that requires you to send your children to go fight in bankers wars, that gives the power of money to a few elite unnamed bankers who control the wealth of a nation. A collective that has rigged elections with puppet actors as leaders, A collective that keeps you sick, broke, energy dependent, and has no way of leaving or opting out, without trading one prison for another is the collective I'm talking about.
tolerant, color blind, programmed, plugged in, and for the most part stupid. "we are all the same".

Liberalism
Fascism
Communism
socialism
are all collectives that are tyrannical and forced upon the once free individual.

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The power of the individual.
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I don't know any "individual" who survived alone without the "collective" for much time...

Except for Robinson Crusoe. And he still had the help of "Friday".

And also, he was a fictional character...


whatever
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do you agree that a man should be free to be part of the collective, or should it be enforced at the point of a gun?
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I don't know any "individual" who survived alone without the "collective" for much time...

Except for Robinson Crusoe. And he still had the help of "Friday".

And also, he was a fictional character...


whatever
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do you agree that a man should be free to be part of the collective, or should it be enforced at the point of a gun?
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If he lives in a country, he must follow the laws of that country.

Or just go to the Amazon rainforest, and live alone there, without being bothered by anyone.
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Unless you're free in the collective.
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The community is a fractal of the collective. And in doing so, each community is unique in its own way. And the individual is the fractal of the community. With this framework, all is allowed to be free.
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I don't know any "individual" who survived alone without the "collective" for much time...

Except for Robinson Crusoe. And he still had the help of "Friday".

And also, he was a fictional character...


whatever
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do you agree that a man should be free to be part of the collective, or should it be enforced at the point of a gun?
 Quoting: GodFrequency




If he lives in a country, he must follow the laws of that country.

Or just go to the Amazon rainforest, and live alone there, without being bothered by anyone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51359248


Law is whatever they say it is.
They exclude themselves from the law
They don't obey the law
Those in power are outlaws

How about all those who would like to enslave their fellow man be sent to the Amazon rainforest, and all live there together without servants to enslave?


So, since you are one that loves law
You are for restoring the constitutional republic?
Restoring the constitution?

Do you believe in the Declaration of Independence which is law?

Do you believe in life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as a law?

Do you think freedom should be law?

Do you think privacy online, and on your phone should be law?

Do you think the NDAA should be law?

How about the assassination of American citizens with drones by executive order, is that lawful?

You see, the law is always written with the idea that those who wrote the law are the exception to the law.
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I don't know any "individual" who survived alone without the "collective" for much time...

Except for Robinson Crusoe. And he still had the help of "Friday".

And also, he was a fictional character...


whatever
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do you agree that a man should be free to be part of the collective, or should it be enforced at the point of a gun?
 Quoting: GodFrequency




If he lives in a country, he must follow the laws of that country.

Or just go to the Amazon rainforest, and live alone there, without being bothered by anyone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51359248


Law is whatever they say it is.
They exclude themselves from the law
They don't obey the law
Those in power are outlaws

How about all those who would like to enslave their fellow man be sent to the Amazon rainforest, and all live there together without servants to enslave?


So, since you are one that loves law
You are for restoring the constitutional republic?
Restoring the constitution?

Do you believe in the Declaration of Independence which is law?

Do you believe in life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as a law?

Do you think freedom should be law?

Do you think privacy online, and on your phone should be law?

Do you think the NDAA should be law?

How about the assassination of American citizens with drones by executive order, is that lawful?

You see, the law is always written with the idea that those who wrote the law are the exception to the law.
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Thankfully, I don't live in the USA.

I live in a much more free nation.
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The community is a fractal of the collective. And in doing so, each community is unique in its own way. And the individual is the fractal of the community. With this framework, all is allowed to be free.
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The community is a fractal of the collective. And in doing so, each community is unique in its own way. And the individual is the fractal of the community. With this framework, all is allowed to be free.
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The worlds smallest minority is the individual indeed.

Who secures their rights?
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do you agree that a man should be free to be part of the collective, or should it be enforced at the point of a gun?
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If he lives in a country, he must follow the laws of that country.

Or just go to the Amazon rainforest, and live alone there, without being bothered by anyone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51359248


Law is whatever they say it is.
They exclude themselves from the law
They don't obey the law
Those in power are outlaws

How about all those who would like to enslave their fellow man be sent to the Amazon rainforest, and all live there together without servants to enslave?


So, since you are one that loves law
You are for restoring the constitutional republic?
Restoring the constitution?

Do you believe in the Declaration of Independence which is law?

Do you believe in life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as a law?

Do you think freedom should be law?

Do you think privacy online, and on your phone should be law?

Do you think the NDAA should be law?

How about the assassination of American citizens with drones by executive order, is that lawful?

You see, the law is always written with the idea that those who wrote the law are the exception to the law.
 Quoting: GodFrequency




Thankfully, I don't live in the USA.

I live in a much more free nation.
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America was once a much more free nation, but according to your premise, if your country suddenly wrote draconian legislation and decided to sell you all as human cattle, if you didn't agree with the slavery, you could move to South America and live in the jungle, because it is "THE LAW OF THE LAND"?

You also didn't make mention of which laws you support or agree with.
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Lol didn't think there were so many communists on GLP.
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Collectivism is destroying our nation.
Collectivism is anti-freedom
anti-individual
anti-free market
anti-wealth




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Yep, reject the hive mind, reject society, reject the system, a collective is an unguided disconnected force/ entity that seeks to imprison/ enslave the individuals that create it, the true collective can only be assumed through everyone acting individually in accordance to their free will, this is the creators plan, everyman is sovereign, everyman holy.

Collectivism means loss of individual freedom, disconnected entities, becoming hollow machines for some grim transhumanistic future, which would kill the living organism/portal we call Earth/ Sofia/ Gaia....this is not the will of the creator which is wild and free as we are intended to be

The soul is freedom.... ya dig?
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So what do you do whenever the collective becomes hijacked by a few bent on destroying it from within?

How do you change a collective that is collapsing in on itself with collective promises it can no longer keep?

What if the collective no longer becomes voluntary, no longer has the consent of those collected, and no longer cares about freedom?

If a police state is built, the only thing lacking is a dictator to run it. Do you like a collective dictatorship? Is being part of the collective then still a good thing?
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The community is a fractal of the collective. And in doing so, each community is unique in its own way. And the individual is the fractal of the community. With this framework, all is allowed to be free.
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The worlds smallest minority is the individual indeed.

Who secures their rights?
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Sorry. I do not believe in political correctness!
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To be free is simply to know you always have a choice as an individual. No one can take that freedom from you. They can try to delude you from thinking you have no choice. But that is all they can do besides lead you over a cliff.

Even if you are locked up somewhere, you still have choices on how to act and what to say, or not to say while confined. Besides, what is the difference between knowing your behind bars and being freely captive?

Just a thought.
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To be free is simply to know you always have a choice as an individual. No one can take that freedom from you. They can try to delude you from thinking you have no choice. But that is all they can do besides lead you over a cliff.

Even if you are locked up somewhere, you still have choices on how to act and what to say, or not to say while confined. Besides, what is the difference between knowing your behind bars and being freely captive?

Just a thought.
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To be free is simply to know you always have a choice as an individual. No one can take that freedom from you. They can try to delude you into thinking you have no choice. But that is all they can do besides lead you over a cliff.

Even if you are locked up somewhere, you still have choices on how to act and what to say, or not to say while confined. Besides, what is the difference between knowing your behind bars and being freely captive?

Just a thought.
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“To put the world in order, we must first put the nation in order; to put the nation in order, we must first put the family in order; to put the family in order; we must first cultivate our personal life; we must first set our hearts right.”
― Confucius
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To be free is simply to know you always have a choice as an individual. No one can take that freedom from you. They can try to delude you into thinking you have no choice. But that is all they can do besides lead you over a cliff.

Even if you are locked up somewhere, you still have choices on how to act and what to say, or not to say while confined. Besides, what is the difference between knowing your behind bars and being freely captive?

Just a thought.
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Do you want to know what really makes our freedom difficult?

Obligations!
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“To put the world in order, we must first put the nation in order; to put the nation in order, we must first put the family in order; to put the family in order; we must first cultivate our personal life; we must first set our hearts right.”
― Confucius
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Indeed!

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