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DGN (OP) User ID: 60536842 United States 11/15/2014 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is smtg? |
The Undeceived... User ID: 62756798 United States 11/15/2014 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap; 8 because he who is sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but he who is sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit. 9 So let us not give up in doing what is fine, for in due season we shall reap if we do not tire out. 10 Really, then, as long as we have time favorable for it, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to [us] in the faith." Gal6:7 Quoting: DGN That is the beauty and power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ... God the Father is both perfectly just and perfectly merciful. The wages of sin (transgression of the Law) is death. this is the Law of God and cannot be put aside. It is the perfect justice of God. However, God the Father sent Jesus Christ to be the substitute for us, as He lead the perfect life unto His willing sacrifice. He suffered the death we deserve so that we can attain the eternal life that He offers. All we have to do is accept Jesus Christ and the completed work He did on the cross. An additional note regarding the power, love, and omniscience of God... He established the means for our redemption at the very time of creation! Until God made man, all of God's other creations (principalities, powers, angels, etc) were all created spiritual beings; and the scriptures reveal they cannot receive forgiveness or redemption because they are spirit... However, when God created us, He created us as flesh and through the flesh and sacrifice (first animals as a temporary foreshadowing of the True Lamb of God to come) we have a means of redemption and salvation. Because we are created flesh, we can be saved. This is the amazing plan of how God can be both perfectly just through the Law and perfectly merciful through redemption and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. |
DGN (OP) User ID: 60536842 United States 11/15/2014 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap; 8 because he who is sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but he who is sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit. 9 So let us not give up in doing what is fine, for in due season we shall reap if we do not tire out. 10 Really, then, as long as we have time favorable for it, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to [us] in the faith." Gal6:7 Quoting: DGN That is the beauty and power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ... God the Father is both perfectly just and perfectly merciful. The wages of sin (transgression of the Law) is death. this is the Law of God and cannot be put aside. It is the perfect justice of God. However, God the Father sent Jesus Christ to be the substitute for us, as He lead the perfect life unto His willing sacrifice. He suffered the death we deserve so that we can attain the eternal life that He offers. All we have to do is accept Jesus Christ and the completed work He did on the cross. An additional note regarding the power, love, and omniscience of God... He established the means for our redemption at the very time of creation! Until God made man, all of God's other creations (principalities, powers, angels, etc) were all created spiritual beings; and the scriptures reveal they cannot receive forgiveness or redemption because they are spirit... However, when God created us, He created us as flesh and through the flesh and sacrifice (first animals as a temporary foreshadowing of the True Lamb of God to come) we have a means of redemption and salvation. Because we are created flesh, we can be saved. This is the amazing plan of how God can be both perfectly just through the Law and perfectly merciful through redemption and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. QUOTE; " Until God made man, all of God's other creations (principalities, powers, angels, etc) were all created spiritual beings; and the scriptures reveal they cannot receive forgiveness or redemption because they are spirit..." I'm not following you, what needed redemption prior to man's sin? There was no rebellion until one angel wanted to play God in Eden. |
CelestialMaiden User ID: 45502011 United States 11/15/2014 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap; 8 because he who is sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but he who is sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit. 9 So let us not give up in doing what is fine, for in due season we shall reap if we do not tire out. 10 Really, then, as long as we have time favorable for it, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to [us] in the faith." Gal6:7 Quoting: DGN "There is no fear in love, but perfect love throws fear outside, because fear exercises a restraint. Indeed, he that is under fear has not been made perfect in love. 19 As for us, we love, because he first loved us.'- 1 John 4;18,19 |
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CelestialMaiden User ID: 45502011 United States 11/15/2014 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, God does not "need" our love, but we, as individuals have the honor of making God rejoice if we take his side of the universal issue of Sovereignty, and prove Satan a liar, so which side would you choose? '11 Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice, that I may make a reply to him that is taunting me."- Proverbs 27:11 |
DGN (OP) User ID: 60536842 United States 11/16/2014 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes that's the balance, if we give him the effort to apply it. "But you, O Jehovah, are a God merciful and gracious, Slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and trueness." Ps86:15 |
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DGN (OP) User ID: 60536842 United States 11/18/2014 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, why are you asking us to judge God? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8496641 We don't judge God. God judges us. "Stop judging that YOU may not be judged; 2 for with what judgment YOU are judging, YOU will be judged; and with the measure that YOU are measuring out, they will measure out to YOU. 3 Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the rafter in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to extract the straw from your eye’; when, look! a rafter is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First extract the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to extract the straw from your brother’s eye." Mt7:1 |