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Would you use planes? No. Would they? No. War games: blips, a flyover at the Pentagon, cannisters of jet fuel or similar, in the floors of the WTC, and so on. The rest was video fakery and passenger list (after the fact) fakery.

There is some suggestion a flight ("93") was blown up over the water in Pennsylvania. Some people said there was debris as far as 8 miles away from the bulldozed light scratch in the earth at the "crash site".

But the buildings were destroyed in NYC, and people died. That much happened, out of the gov't story.

Your point?

It's not like the planes are "theoretically removed" and it's a nutty idea; there are reasons to know this and that it's easier anyway, to have done it this way.

I thought it's just a "weird idea" first, but it's not just a notion.

I will ask again, Clare. What does this all have to do with the subject of this thread? You could start one of your own and talk about whatever you like. Why do you insist on derailing this one? I guess the only thing we can do is ignore you until you stay on topic or disappear like Luser and Maxipads.

If she thinks this discussion is uncivil, she'd be in for a rude awakening going into the big GLP swimming pool with this "no plane" crap:


Thread: VIDEO PROOF!!! NO "PLANES" USED ON 911 - TIME TO AWAKE!!!

Whaaa? The fact that some were deliberately bad doesn't mean the best were POSSIBLE.

Sure, in a normal roll, there will be good and bad, but get over the fact that some are impossible, were prepared. The best were planned and INTERSPERSED as if it was one roll.

The idea that there are "just some good ones" doesn't handle the key evidence. Nice hypothesis, though. I'd prefer if it were so.

Oh ha ha ha.

Crap? Have you read what I posted? Surely facts are not your forte.

The fact that people wish to slam people for facts is NOT my problem; it's theirs.

Account for the facts any other way -- all the facts, in their relationships.

Someone else brought this up, as an accusation. I answered with the actual facts of the case. Most people don't know them. They think the "idea" is too crazy; but if there's support, it's not crazy. In fact, it makes more sense than planes, which are unwieldy and messy.

<shrug>

It's not impossible, not even implausible -- just not "pleasant". What other parts of 9/11 do you hang onto like a teddy bear?

Really, there's nothing to hold onto.

They won't be turning on each other, because Nancy tells them what to think. They share one brain between the three of them and it's all to feed her ego! Truth is without her they are nothing and would fade into obscurity. Their site is filled with people who practically worship the Zeta messages.

Her Highness the Chosen Emissary of the Zetas.

I wonder how she explains away the fact that her precious Zetas let her believe that px was coming in 2003 as she maxed out her credit cards. And then claimed a little white lie.

Yeppers, a lot of respect and love in that house , lol.

Whatever Clare. I don't care about your pseudo facts, and you don't care if you are derailing this thread. You are like that neighbour that invites himself to your party and then demands to be the center of attention. I will ignore you from here on. Your grasp on reason and fact is right up there with Freestore's.

Sorry, but that's really funny!

At this point I'm half expecting the "holograms generated by shapeshifting reptilians" theory to pop up here.

Some things, like Lewinsky for Clinton, are leaked, even promoted (for various reasons).

Some things are not leaked, or rather, only noticed by those looking already ... for quite a while.

It proberly is freestore or one of his idiotic muppet friends.

Nope.

What's your issue with the facts of parallax fakery, black box flyover at the Pentagon, SSNs still active, no physical parts (except a couple of plants, some of them identifiable from the wrong planes), and so on?

I know, when I first heard of it I thought it was just people having a wild deam with the whole 9/11 myth -- taking it too far -- but there is good evidence AND it's actually easier for the perps.

It was mostly computer blips and war games hijacked for the day. So, why have planes that could miss and be messier? There was no oil cleanup at the Pentagon, no massive parts -- no parts known at all -- in the tower wreckage, and nothing in the bulldozed cartoon-cutout 15-20 foot deep central "hole" at Shanksville.

It was smoke and mirrors. It's EASIER to do that.

Read the facts, AC.

They are not pseudo.

Read John Lear's affidavit -- he even went to court with it.

NO PLANES NEEDED/ none used. What's so scary to you about that? Think militarily. EASIER/CHEAPER/SURE THING.

Why do you need planes? Just to make the masses happier?

Think strategically and like the lazy Dr Strangeloves.

Nancy is fucking GONE!!

Just drop it now will ya's??

For fucks sake,,its dragged on LONG enough...and we have REAL fucking DOOM lurking now..not some imaginary planet that inspires people to eat dogs to deal with now.

FUK...just let it DIE!

Let's see.

For starters:

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

"The Justice Department will hold a two-hour briefing for family members who lost relatives on the four planes that were hijacked on Sept. 11, 2001, NBC News has learned. The meeting, to be held June 4 in Princeton, N.J., is sure to be emotional for the 100-plus family members who plan to attend. The meeting will be closed to the media.

Prosecutors will play audio recordings of phone calls between individuals on the planes and family members or co-workers on the ground — recordings that have never aired anywhere before. For example, NBC has learned that the Justice Department will play a tape that an American Airlines official made on 9/11 that is a blow-by-blow account of the final words of Amy Sweeney, a flight attendant on Flight 11. Sweeney is reknowned for having calmly called her co-workers on 9/11 and providing the seat locations for Mohammed Atta and the other hijackers, physical descriptions of the terrorists, and what she said appeared to be a bomb on board the plane.

The Justice Department also intends to play an audiotape of a conversation between Betty Ong, a flight attendant on American Airlines Flight 11 that crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center, and Nydia Gonzalez, an American Airlines reservation manager. The commission investigating the attacks played 4-½ minutes of the tape at a hearing in January, but the Justice Department intends to play the entire 23-minute tape at the closed briefing, according to 9/11 family members."

She claims they have the technology and wherewithal to create the illusion of normalcy in our seasons to give the common man/woman a chance to prepare and awaken to the reality of px. Yet the oil spill which will kill lord knows how many ecosystems as it spreads from the gulf coast to other oceans depending on how severe the hurricane season will be. And that they state is in the hands of man because they cannot intervene. Sounds like bs to me

Am I the only one who thinks it strange that all those recaps of alien abductions which are reported as perpetrated by Zeta Recticuli grays? Just like Nancy's all wonderful service to other Zetas isn't that rather strange? Can we say Jekyll and Hyde? I mean do they come with some kind of label disclaimer that says "We didn't do it, that was my evil twin"! STO and STS rather convenient labels for the Zeta stories aren't they ?

In deference to your feeling -- and that's all it is, at root --

When Fetzer asked Lear if there was one thing about the Pentagon not having a plane which he would bring up, what would it be?, Lear said: I'll give you three:

April Gallop, April Gallop, April Gallop.

She was 40 feet from the "huge plane" inside the Pentagon and she said she smelled only cordite, no jet fuel.

She refused to "unremember" her experience, when visited in the hospital by "suits".

Others, too, smelled only cordite.

She was interviewed by A Jones, by the way: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EcpiPL6kw4

And this is no pseudo fact. As I hope you can appreciate. Maybe one fact, instead of them all, won't send you screaming.

Of course, there's more, as Lear outlined (and others, too). By the way, for this most distinguished civilian US pilot, and son of the Lear Jet designer, there's NO WIKIPEDIA PAGE, because when he started exposing the lack of planes on 9/11, they took him OFF, rather than have people respecting his other accomplishments easily link to the info.

Other "woo woo" ideas get coverage, but a key person saying there's real evidence? Nope. Off Spookipedia (i.e., Wikipedia in a few key controlled situations).

This sounds like B.S. to me, too. I think the idea very weird.

I didn't snip b/c I didn't read what you posted. I snipped simply for brevity.

ALL voice recordings can be faked. And in this case, they HAVE to be. There were no plane wreckages AND there were video parallax problems. There were no parts (except identifiable plants, and few of those), the trajectories don't work, and the "93" calls were not possible at that time.

There was no jet fuel at the Pentagon or Shanksville. Usually, it's a mini ecological disaster when a plane hits.

And the planes would have bounced off the 14 floors of steel re-inforced concrete in NYC. The engines may have gone through if they hit right. The rest of a plane ... into that? Nope. Yet the "holes" were like Wile E. Coyote into a wall: nice wing tip cut-outs over 14 floors, perfect.

So bad was the fake impression that one of the guys who was involved in making the fake TV vids said, "It looks just like a Hollywood special effect, but this time it's real," to cut your brain off at the pass: make you think that if you realized it does look like that, well, that's just what you're supposed to think it is NOT.

So, these tapes have to be fake. They have excellent voice fakery available now.

However, it is possible they got voice samples from those about to die, to help the impostering. "We who are about to die speak to you!" More likely, it'll be crackly enough that people won't be able to tell. And anyway, most of those who disappeared were linked to gov't work. Funny, that. So maybe they have actual voice samples.

By the way, note: one of these isn't even faked as a tape: it seems to be just an account taped that day.

By the way, most probably thought they were on a drill. Hence, Sweeney's calm call, if it was such.

'Night, all. (Or rather, Mornin'!)

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Clare, you can't even tell the difference between Returner and Reality420 and yet you claim to be speaking of facts. Actual facts are not what you present. What you generally present is just sloppy work as can be seen in many cases like this example of confusing two posters.

You are now in the position of explaining tidal lock to those whom have repeatedly explained it to YOU?



You just said exactly nothing.



I guess you're talking about some special thought exercise now, but who can tell?



The Moon's rotation is seen from space, but understood from Earth if one understands that it is orbiting Earth. Not rocket science, so to speak.



To your warped, over-amped view of the world, perhaps.



What is a "RELATIVITY POINT OF VIEW"? You're inventing nonsense terms again and trying to cram reality into them.
It ain't workin'.



Of course it would. What would keep Earth from 'seeing' the Moon rotating in the sky?



Of course it would.



You're saying that the Moon with its Solar orbit halted would not seem to rotate from the Sun? That's just silly.
YOU are silly, overall, Clare.

So now the average office-worker knows what cordite smells like?

Many, many workers at the Pentagon are very familiar with the smell of cordite. Even the office workers.

And you can tell the relative altitude of planes from thousands of feet below them, and also the atmospheric conditions in which each is flying.

Fuck you George.

I lost someone I know on that American Airlines 757. A good friend of mine lost three people (she's an AA flight attendant).