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>> How can you, with a straight face, STILL ignore all of the obvious outright LIES contained in Zetatalk?

The same way you, with a straight face, ignore all the obvious outright TRUTH contained in ZetaTalk. Your using the phrase "total BS" is quite telling.

Remember, the most effective lie, is nine parts TRUTH wrapped with one part lie. Its one of the oldest and most effective disinformation tools known to man. If you want to discredit something, hide something, obscure something, wrap it with a BIG lie. People will then out of ignorance and immaturity, THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATHWATER.

Remember Churchill's famous quote:

In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.

And in digging that one up, I came across a couple more by old "Winston":

There are a lot of lies going around... and half of them are true.

and

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.

Yes, the halted earth is pretty ridiculous. The Zetas tilting the earth is pretty ridiculous also - but only to a point. I think it QUITE likely that some extraterrestrial races can move planets. I just don't think its happening here.

PX hanging around the ecliptic for a decade is also ridiculous - but only because we can't see it. From a theoretical standpoint, we still don't know enough about orbital mechanics and astrophysics to dismiss ANYTHING at this point. I'm always impressed how MUCH of the unexpected was encountered by the space probes we sent out.

What's NOT ridiculous is the PX "coming out of the sun" - for that was discussed in an ancient text (which I don't have access to at the moment, so no link - sorry).

PX having a tail, moons - not ridiculous and discussed in other ancient sources.

Passing only 19 million miles (closest artifact 14 million miles) - NOT ridiculous when you consider Comet Elenin is forecast to pass at only 21 million miles. Comet Elenin has a lot features attributed to PX, which is why it's got my attention at the moment.

ALL you have ever done is dismiss the ENTIRETY of ZetaTalk - you've lacked ANY kind of objectivity whatsoever. You gladly advocate throwing out the baby with the bathwater, and actively encourage others to do same.

THAT is why I can - with a straight face, STILL ignore all of the obvious outright LIES contained in Zetatalk.

And why I encourage others to as well.

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/26/2011 06:46 AM

Therefore Melfy you are indeed a believer of zetatalk and were never ever a fence shitter as you keep claiming.

And even more amazingly, in the second quote above, you clearly define yourself as a zetacult member due to the fact that you are still a believer of zetatalk even though you acknowledge that it is full of outright LIES. CULT members are exactly like you and BELIEVE the "leader" no matter how FALSE the message and its truth are proven to be.

Huh??? How can I acknowledge LIES, but still be accused of believing the LIEDER???

A fence sitter accepts the fact that there are flaws in the material - some GLARING. But resists the "call" to dismiss it ALL.

>> you clearly define yourself as a zetacult member



But knowing you as I do, I can envision you creating your own version of a "ZetaCult Recruiting Video" starring moi - that will be NOTHING but **LIES** and distortions.

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/26/2011 07:46 AM

His analysis was spot on. The fact that your statement above is, apparently, the best you could muster leads me to believe that you're one of those he was speaking about.

And just what truth is that, Max? Care to be specific. Others have been challenged on this and NONE of them even tried to respond. Will you be the first?

A "debunker" right again!

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

Cute.

How about explaining why we are seeing MORE tornados than unusual - and in unusual areas like North Carolina who don't even have tornado sirens (though I imagine they are now on the list in many communities)??

CB right again! Nancy didn't even see this coming. Nancy failed again! How about admitting CB was right and that his prediction accuracy track record beats Nancy's. Of course you won't.

Go ahead and cite the "obvious outright TRUTH" you see there. And no, this doesn't mean debatable philosophical issues. This means concrete, demonstrable FACTS.



What? Now you're asserting that Zetatalk is 9 out of ten parts truth? I don't even get your point here.



Remember Churchill's famous quote:

In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.

And in digging that one up, I came across a couple more by old "Winston":

There are a lot of lies going around... and half of them are true.

and

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.

Yes, the halted earth is pretty ridiculous. The Zetas tilting the earth is pretty ridiculous also - but only to a point. I think it QUITE likely that some extraterrestrial races can move planets. I just don't think its happening here.


Then what is the point of it? MY point, related to that, would be that those are not nearly the only falsehoods contained in Zetatalk. ALLLLLL of the astronomical claims are equally false.



What do you mean, "we can't see it"? Nancy and "Zetas" say that it is being seen on a regular basis. You mean.... gasp... that bit is a lie too???

Why don't you find and describe the line where the lies stop for us?



So that part is "true", then? Nancy has pointed out dozens of examples of what "Zetas" claim is acutally PX in the sky. AAAALLLLLL of them have been checked out by competent people and found to be FALSE.



What? No one has EVER said that a space object can't pass near Earth! You are flailing around over a non-argument.



Show me the baby.



Then why have you spent so much time DENYING that they were lies? Remember?! You have NOT encouraged others to ignore the lies. You have DENIED that the lies existed, over and over and over again, on this very thread.

You are simply changing your story, now, in order to keep your troll alive in the face of having been proven undeniably wrong. Did you think you could just wave a rhetorical handkerchief to one side and distract us all from realizing that?

Heh... doubtfull.

Once again, a bunker misrepresents the debunker position. NO ONE among us has dismisses, out of hand, any particular part of Zetatalk without discussion of the SPECIFIC detail. Just because I may use broad expressions describing Zetatalk as, for example, a "steaming pile of excrement", that doesn't mean I haven't ever considered some aspects of it reasonably. It's just that AAAALLLL of the claims about our physical reality which CAN be analyzed for factuality are FALSE. I have YET to see ANYTHING proven true out of those type of claims in Zetatalk. So what is left? What is this "truth" you feel should not be dismissed? Please be specific.

Maxie is reduced to saying that there is some obscure 1% of Zetatalk which we have not adequately proven false yet. Heh. This is just a blatant continuing of his "Maybe THIS bit".. "What about THIS part"... "This is POSSIBLE"... trolling game. How boring.

Yawn.

The zetas only warn the people of earth in English through Nancy and they cover up the evidence by moving the planets. If they just left things alone, everyone on earth would see that the earth is stopped in orbit and everyone would know something is wrong, even if they don't speak English (which is most of the world's population) and even if they don't have internet access (which is also a lot of the earth's population). The whole earth stopped in orbit by the zetas to prevent panic while warning a tiny fraction of people who are expected to just believe and ask no questions can't stand up to a minimum of analysis. I would love to see Max show us one bit of truth in Zetatalk. He won't though, because there is no baby in the murky bath water.

Why didn't the "Zetas" just keep Earth from being halted in the first place? Ohh that's right... they are not allowed to interfere with the natural effects of PX. But, wait.... then why are they TILTING Earth to mitigate those effects? I guess people are not supposed to think it through to that extent, right?

Ohh wait... it's all utter bullshit in the first place. Earth is NOT halted in orbit, because there is no PX there which has exerted a 'repulsion' force on Earth.

There is simply no THERE, there. Either you suspend disbelief and buy into the Zetatalk story lock-stock and barrel, or you realize that there was nothing to it from the beginning.

Wrong. ZetaTalk is **SO** useful to both the 'government' and MSM in discrediting anyone who raises the spector of PX or Niburu or rogue brown dwarfs reaking havac in the inner solar system, that if it didn't exit, it would have to be invented.

And there-in lies the RUB.

You're agreeing that it's full of lies, but that it was USEFULL? How does that make what I said "wrong"?? It does not.


You have just incriminated YOURSELF. YOU are one who tried to support and defend the obvious lies of Zetatalk on this very thread for months on end. Do you expect us to just forget about that? That makes YOU a government SHILL, you insipid jerkwad!

You make the case that the knowledge of whether a large, unknown planet exists is based upon hysteria and wild speculation. It is not. It is based upon observation by THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of astronomers all around the world who would undeniably know about such a thing.

Your (new) position is just a further extention of the same silliness upon which Zetatalk thrived. Behold, the new Horse Maxie attempts to ride to keep his perpetual troll alive.

Fuck right off.

Because weather conditions are right for it. So what? Oh, yeah, I forgot...you think this is a sign of something ominous. And maybe it is - this could be more evidence for climate change/global warming. But it definitely isn't a sign of "Planet X." But let's not forget, though, that when a record number of tornadoes broke out about six years ago, Nancy said that tornadoes would be increasing from that point on. Guess what? They didn't. She also said, in 2005, after Katrina, that there would be more and more hurricanes. Guess what? There haven't been.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 04/26/2011 08:40 PM

It has always been hilarious how the PXtards could spin almost anything into evidence that PX is real. This takes the cake, however... now an admission that Zetatalk was complete BS becomes a revelation that PX must, therefor, exist.

Priceless!

Yup - that's my argument. Glad it's CLEAR to you!

I think, therefore I am not.

Or do I not think, and therefore I am?

The latter, I think. Or not. Either way, I am not.




Now I must go and engage in a spirited round of anal probing with fellow Dumbfuckistanian Andrew. We miss our 3-ways with Luser.

How about a nice little ban for you, you steaming sack of lying parrot shit?

Yes. Into a religion. The likes of Gary North and Yourdon and Beach spun it RAPIDLY into a belief system, complete with their own flavor of STO and STS dichotomy. The parallels are striking.



Bullcrap. The threat wasn't plausible at all -- and the fact that countries with tech infrastructures that spent *zero* on Y2K remediation only encountered minor glitches attests to that. The idea spun up primarily due to people who did *not* know what they were talking about, and ignoring the engineers who DID know what they were talking about.

There was a problem that needed fixing. But the over-hype scenarios were NEVER plausible.

It's very similar to the way non-astronomers continue to make outlandish PX claims, while those that have actually studies astronomy and astrophysics continue to correct them -- and be borne out. The parallels continue.




I don't think there's much evidence that it was a psyop. Particularly as the word gets tossed about so frequently, that it might lead you to believe that a dog crapping on the sidewalk has conspiratorial overtones.



Yes. They refused to let go of the core meme -- that Y2K was going to be a Bad Thing -- with almost RELIGIOUS fervor.

Again, the parallels with current PX believers remain fairly exact.



I expect that happened for a lot of people, despite the fact that the threat had always been there. To me, however, there is a whole plethora of differences between natural disasters and human malevolence. Certainly one should have prudent preparations for both.



So was May 15th, 2003.




So it was that Nancy's ability as a prognosticator was tested, and she failed. Why didn't her particular meme/strain die right there? Why did/do some believers CONTINUE to believe?



Forgetting, of course, that it may not exist at all. It is like other cults discovered: Definitive doomsday dates are bad for the health of the cult. Keep such info vague, and they'll keep coming for more, making every excuse imaginable for continued failed predictions.



But there's no way to know with certainty that an invisible dragon lives in my garage, or that undetectable fairies cause the flowers to bloom, or that all of reality is only in YOUR HEAD, ZM. Yet you give none of those ideas the same credence as you do PX, despite there being PRECISELY the same amount of positive evidence for each. Why?




So, please answer this, if you choose ignore the rest of my post: What, FINALLY, automatically negates the other predictors and prophets that ISN'T absurd? When does one finally say 'Nope, the PX idea simply doesn't hold water?' When is it finally OK to let go of this failed idea?

When do believers admit to themselves, and others, that Santa PX doesn't exist? Or CAN'T they?

The Heads-I-Win-Tails-You-Lose game has always been a favorite of Nancy and, by extension, ZM.

It's like her Ning. It is a non-debatable *given* that PX exists.

But that's a mighty BIG 'given' to me. Too big, by far.

Once again, Max has avoided providing us with even one example of this supposed truth in the dungheap known as zeta talk. We have been asking this one small thing of him for years now and we are still waiting. The only logical conclusion is that there is no truth to be found anywhere near Nancy and her imaginary aliens, because otherwise he would have shown us something long ago.

It is beyound my understanding how somebody can be be such a gutless, spineless, gullible and stubborn

Dont talk about reality with melfy. Its something not worth to consider for him.

Imagination is much more interesting.

Waiting will be over soon.
To be exact, in 249 days.



About 16.06.2011 Page 1000 will be reached
About 21.01.2014 Page 2000 will be reached

Since 6 days about 172 days to go until Elenin will pass Earth unnoticed and naked-eye-invisible in 34 Million km distance (90 times Earth-Moon) at 16. Okt.2011, only 44 days bevor Nancys final failure at 31.Dec. 2011.

Reminder for Nancy to think about a valid answer for her 2012 non-show since Nov 11, 2008.

897 days gone, 249 days to go until Nancys final failure (at 1.1.2012)

Help is in the way!

Update by Sheldan Nidle for the Spiritual Hierarchy and the Galactic Federation, 4 Ahau, 18 Zac, 7 Ik

Selamat Jarin! We return to continue our discussion with you. Gaia is now increasing her warning signs to humanity, which has hereby been put on notice that the time has come for the great transformation mandated by Heaven's numerous decrees. Those still using their wiles to prolong their time in power are also being warned that Heaven desires that these great changes happen forthwith! Accordingly, we have instructed our liaison and diplomatic personnel to make it clear that any further delays are no longer advisable. Meanwhile, our Earth allies are working pedal to the metal to complete the remaining tasks, and we, for our part, have commissioned a series of events to push any remaining tasks through to completion. These operations are to converge at a point on our timeline that has been pinpointed by Heaven and her many hierarchies. We are committed to these changes and have alerted various governments that we will not tolerate the status quo once those dates have been reached. Our technological advantage has been demonstrated to these regimes sufficiently to prove that we mean business.

I read all those guys. There was nothing "ecclesiastical" about any of it. They presented the "problem", which turned out to be much more minor than anticipated, and then survival suggestions - food, water, silver, gold, you know, the typical TEOTWAWKI stuff.

No personal salavation though.




I worked in IT for Ford, Chrysler, Detroit Edison, Vanguard, and PaineWebber from 1994 through 2000. I witnessed first hand and even participated in HUGE Y2K projects involving dozens of DEDICATED (in that they had no other duties) personnel fixing code and testing systems to the N'th degree. A ***LOT*** of money was spent fixing the problem - and I'm sure it was money that would have been coveted elsewhere.



>> There was a problem that needed fixing.

Yea - it was a HUGE problem, and cost millions to fix. Most of the problems were in the mainframe environment, which were the most critical systems. If these were not fixed on time, there would have been HUGE problems.

>> But the over-hype scenarios were NEVER plausible.

If not enough code was repaired, the scenario was ENTIRELY plausible. Though because of the huge effort at remediation, UNLIKELY.

Perhaps I should had a bit more confidence in my colleagues, but I've seen too many IT projects fail outright. Though, I have to concede, when "failure is not an option", most companies can indeed step up to the plate.

Thankfully - enough DID.



It may have a been a 'psyop' for a VERY good reason. IT MIGHT HAVE SAVED US. All the hype, while not getting people to fill bug out bags, MAY have helped motivate them enough to take the Y2K projects they were responsible for, a bit more seriously. I'll go so far as to say that not "all" psyops are 'sinister' in motive (though many, if not most, are).



... fairly exact?



I've ALWAYS been a "fence sitter".



Yea, and heaven exists in my ass, and your mother is there playing the 'harp' on a Casio keyboard powered by my digestive juices.

Funny how debunkers always compare the plausible and not ridiculous with the non-plausible and completely ridiculous. Velikovsky did not write a work of "fiction", much as you dudes would have us believe that. And you would say you don't foster "belief"!



>> When is it finally OK to let go of this failed idea?

When we are firmly and deniably well past the point of age transition in the zodiac. When it is clearly the Age of Aquarius and no longer the Age of Pisces. DOOM is a big meme with equinox transitions - and PX is big enough DOOM to provide a mechanism for it. Its not the only one, but it can't be laid to rest until this transition is completed.

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/27/2011 07:34 AM