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You guys are just too easily manipulated, and you don't even see it.
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LOL! The irony of that statement. How are we being manipulated? Explain in detail - keeping in mind that you're the one that tried to get people to believe Nancy's claims about "Planet X." It was you that was so desperate to believe that you even came up with "screened memories" to explain why the constellations appeared right where they should be even though Nancy claims the Earth is halted in orbit and is wobbling about unpredictably. You continued to do so regardless of how many times her claims were proven false. Now, you're doing the same for Clif...you're so desperate to believe him that you even said that if his March 2nd prediction fails it's because his warning saved us all. So, you're the one being manipulated...and you're trying to manipulate us. We simply see through it.
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You guys are just too easily manipulated, and you don't even see it.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


LOL! The irony of that statement. How are we being manipulated? Explain in detail - keeping in mind that you're the one that tried to get people to believe Nancy's claims about "Planet X." It was you that was so desperate to believe that you even came up with "screened memories" to explain why the constellations appeared right where they should be even though Nancy claims the Earth is halted in orbit and is wobbling about unpredictably. You continued to do so regardless of how many times her claims were proven false. Now, you're doing the same for Clif...you're so desperate to believe him that you even said that if his March 2nd prediction fails it's because his warning saved us all. So, you're the one being manipulated...and you're trying to manipulate us. We simply see through it.
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Total irony. The debunkers have been consistently right, probably because they research before they come to a conclusion. Probably because we paid attention in high school science and developed critical thinking skills. Not like Max and his chicken little friends. They just believe anything and don't want to dig any deeper, in case they find they have put their belief on a steaming pile of bullshit.
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This DEFINITELY wouldn't be possible on the same day every February if the Earth were halted in orbit or wobbling about unpredictably.

[link to news.yahoo.com]

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That is precisely the kind of "cherry picking" I would expect from a paid shill, or one who's mind is already made up about someone, and who goes fishing for tidbits - taken COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT - to "support" their position.
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It's amazing how that describes you Max.
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By the way, if you take the initals of the "New World Order" and turn them backward - you get OWN.

Guess you're OK with that - huh?
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Considering it describes you so well, I have no problem with it. First you were owned by Nancy and now by Clif...but that's not my problem...it's yours.
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He has assigned an "emotional value" to about 300,000 words. The word "terrorist" would have an emotional value of 9 or 10, and the word "flange" might get a 3 or 4 and a word like "oleoresin" might get a 1. He will then do a "run", and his spyders will visit millions of sites look for words with high emotional values. When he finds one like "terrorist" - he will then grab the three or four words preceding it, and three or four words following it. When run is complete he will look for phrases that match, or come very close to matching (or that have matching substrings). If the software determines that say, fifteen phrases with the word "terrorist" in them, are the "same" (in that they pass the "same" test - however that is coded), that "phrase" will appear in the alta report. So the alta report is really about 300 pages of these "phrases". Each run produces a new alta report, with 300 pages of different phrases.

When Clif writes a "shape" report, he will reference these phrases by putting brackets around them. For instance, the phrase [dollar death] is one that shows up a lot. Sometimes very unexpected phrases show up like the number 1.289 billion which in Clif's "opinion" is the number of deaths we can expect if the powers that be have Israel attack Iran.

The number 1.289 is NOT Clif's "opinion" in that it does indeed appear in an alta report. Clif's "opinion" goes toward suggesting that it represents the number of future deaths resulting from war and the [Israeli mistake] - another phrase. So when Clif says "1.289 billion are going to die", he's kind of "lying" because the alta report is NOT that detailed. He's filling in the details when he attempts to put all these phrases together into a coherent picture that tells a story we can understand. BUT THE THREE HUNDRED PAGES OF PHRASES provide a lot material that one can attempt to "assemble" with "lies" as the glue.

And anyone can do it - the three hundred pages of phrases can be purchased for around $300 and YOU can use your own "lies" to cobble together the phrases any way you want.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Based on your rather terse interpretation of what Clif is doing, I come to the conclusion that Clif is taking page upon page of unrelated phrases gleaned out of context from multiple sites (they are out of context because he's not using the full context) then throwing his significant bias into the the interpretation.

Essentially, he is coming up with his own bullshit - just like Nancy uses her bias to warp what's going on in the world to fit her "poleshift" beliefs.

Basically, it's ALL BULLSHIT!

...and you're gullible enough to send him money for his snakeoil interpretations of world events.
“Fear always springs from ignorance” - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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He has assigned an "emotional value" to about 300,000 words..
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


First of all, I don't think he's actually going to all that trouble to simply recycle what appears here and on other similar sites.

But let's say your description is valid. That still means he is choosing the words he wants for his reports. If you search the web for "Justin Bieber" "American Idol" and "orgasm" that's what you're going to find. If you search for "war" "disease" and "famine" that's what you're going to find.

So what is the basis for assigning "terrorist" higher emotional value than "Justin Bieber" other than personal bias?
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He has assigned an "emotional value" to about 300,000 words. The word "terrorist" would have an emotional value of 9 or 10, and the word "flange" might get a 3 or 4 and a word like "oleoresin" might get a 1. He will then do a "run", and his spyders will visit millions of sites look for words with high emotional values. When he finds one like "terrorist" - he will then grab the three or four words preceding it, and three or four words following it. When run is complete he will look for phrases that match, or come very close to matching (or that have matching substrings). If the software determines that say, fifteen phrases with the word "terrorist" in them, are the "same" (in that they pass the "same" test - however that is coded), that "phrase" will appear in the alta report. So the alta report is really about 300 pages of these "phrases". Each run produces a new alta report, with 300 pages of different phrases.

When Clif writes a "shape" report, he will reference these phrases by putting brackets around them. For instance, the phrase [dollar death] is one that shows up a lot. Sometimes very unexpected phrases show up like the number 1.289 billion which in Clif's "opinion" is the number of deaths we can expect if the powers that be have Israel attack Iran.

The number 1.289 is NOT Clif's "opinion" in that it does indeed appear in an alta report. Clif's "opinion" goes toward suggesting that it represents the number of future deaths resulting from war and the [Israeli mistake] - another phrase. So when Clif says "1.289 billion are going to die", he's kind of "lying" because the alta report is NOT that detailed. He's filling in the details when he attempts to put all these phrases together into a coherent picture that tells a story we can understand. BUT THE THREE HUNDRED PAGES OF PHRASES provide a lot material that one can attempt to "assemble" with "lies" as the glue.

And anyone can do it - the three hundred pages of phrases can be purchased for around $300 and YOU can use your own "lies" to cobble together the phrases any way you want.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Based on your rather terse interpretation of what Clif is doing, I come to the conclusion that Clif is taking page upon page of unrelated phrases gleaned out of context from multiple sites (they are out of context because he's not using the full context) then throwing his significant bias into the the interpretation.

Essentially, he is coming up with his own bullshit - just like Nancy uses her bias to warp what's going on in the world to fit her "poleshift" beliefs.

Basically, it's ALL BULLSHIT!

...and you're gullible enough to send him money for his snakeoil interpretations of world events.
 Quoting: bob_909


>> Based on your rather terse interpretation of what Clif is doing, I come to the conclusion that Clif is taking page upon page of unrelated phrases gleaned out of context from multiple sites (they are out of context because he's not using the full context) then throwing his significant bias into the the interpretation.

Essentially, that's an accurate summation. There's many angles from which his work can be examined, but **NONE** of them will make ANY sense if the foundational premise for the work itself is rejected. That premise being:

All humans are "psychic" - whether they know it or not.

So before we go ANY further - do you accept or reject that premise????

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Based on your rather terse interpretation of what Clif is doing, I come to the conclusion that Clif is taking page upon page of unrelated phrases gleaned out of context from multiple sites (they are out of context because he's not using the full context) then throwing his significant bias into the the interpretation.

Essentially, he is coming up with his own bullshit - just like Nancy uses her bias to warp what's going on in the world to fit her "poleshift" beliefs.

Basically, it's ALL BULLSHIT!

...and you're gullible enough to send him money for his snakeoil interpretations of world events.
 Quoting: bob_909


Yep, Clif's method is as about as reliable as the Bible Code. And then there's Harold Camping who used his own method of interpreting the Bible and using math. We know how that worked out - every one of his doomsday predictions FAILED miserably.
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He has assigned an "emotional value" to about 300,000 words..
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


First of all, I don't think he's actually going to all that trouble to simply recycle what appears here and on other similar sites.

But let's say your description is valid. That still means he is choosing the words he wants for his reports. If you search the web for "Justin Bieber" "American Idol" and "orgasm" that's what you're going to find. If you search for "war" "disease" and "famine" that's what you're going to find.

So what is the basis for assigning "terrorist" higher emotional value than "Justin Bieber" other than personal bias?
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So what is the basis for assigning "terrorist" higher emotional value than "Justin Bieber" other than personal bias?

First of all - he filters out "names" as primary search keys. But a name might come up if the spyder finds a phrase like "Justin Bieber supports the war on terror", while looking for the words "war" and "terror", and if that phrase appeared in some 14 year old girl's blog, and not an API news release (those get filtered too, so that the release is searched only once, even though it might appear 300 times on different news sites.) Also note the appearance of TWO highly emotional words "war" and "terror" would garner extra attention for the phrase.

Yes - there would be some degree of "personal bias" involved, but certainly the word "terrorist" would get a higher emotional value than the word "cantelope".

But even if "Justin Bieber" comes up that way, he won't use his name in a "shape report".

Yes, rational minds can differ about whether the word "terrorist" should get a higher emotional value than the word "genocide" - but not whether it gets a higher value than the word "sconce".

There is method to his madness.

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Based on your rather terse interpretation of what Clif is doing, I come to the conclusion that Clif is taking page upon page of unrelated phrases gleaned out of context from multiple sites (they are out of context because he's not using the full context) then throwing his significant bias into the the interpretation.

Essentially, he is coming up with his own bullshit - just like Nancy uses her bias to warp what's going on in the world to fit her "poleshift" beliefs.

Basically, it's ALL BULLSHIT!

...and you're gullible enough to send him money for his snakeoil interpretations of world events.
 Quoting: bob_909


Yep, Clif's method is as about as reliable as the Bible Code. And then there's Harold Camping who used his own method of interpreting the Bible and using math. We know how that worked out - every one of his doomsday predictions FAILED miserably.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


That would be your OPINION - but I note that you present it as FACT. And it seems rather obvious that debunkers have been spinning the idea that "opinions" presented as "FACTS" are in "fact" LIES.

ULY

So rather than trying to pass final judgment on the "conversation" (such that it is), can you just FOR ONCE answer a simple question?

All humans are "psychic" - whether they know it or not.

So before we go ANY further - do you accept or reject that premise????

I'll even settle for a "don't know".

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And it seems rather obvious that debunkers have been spinning the idea that "opinions" presented as "FACTS" are in "fact" LIES.


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What does that mean? Seriously.

Clif himself has used the word "lies" to describe what he is doing.

No spinning involved from skeptics.
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That would be your OPINION - but I note that you present it as FACT. And it seems rather obvious that debunkers have been spinning the idea that "opinions" presented as "FACTS" are in "fact" LIES.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


I did no such thing - you simply ASSume that I am. But let's not forget the many things YOU'VE tried to pass off as fact - such as your claim about palm fronds being found in the Artic. You even said you were going to present evidence to support that but never did. Shall I list some other examples?
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Some people just don't respond to "please". You know, it seems to me that one of the "tasks" a PAID SHILL would be expected to perform, is to advocate a passive approach to ALL aggression - no matter how obvious, forceful or violent.
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It's amazing how that can be used to describe Nancy Lieder and so many other failed doomsday cult leaders.
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Some people just don't respond to "please". You know, it seems to me that one of the "tasks" a PAID SHILL would be expected to perform, is to advocate a passive approach to ALL aggression - no matter how obvious, forceful or violent.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


It's amazing how that can be used to describe Nancy Lieder and so many other failed doomsday cult leaders.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Why do you REFUSE to answer my simple question about whether humans are "psychic" or not?


AFRAID????
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Why do you REFUSE to answer my simple question about whether humans are "psychic" or not?


AFRAID????

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I didn't see anything that indicated you addressed that question specifically to me. Why do YOU refuse to answer questions that are posed to you? Why do you refuse to provide that evidence about palm fronds being found in the Artic?

AFRAID????

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No - I was referring to March 2nd; in fact the ENTIRE month of March.

By April 1st, the continuation of our way of life will be in extreme jeopardy. Clif says by June, CHAOS reins.

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What a surprise! He's pushing back the date or extending his predictions of doom - just like Nancy. And, no surprise here either, you're buying it.

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BAN MELFY!!!!
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It definitly won't be choice 4 When Zetatalk "chat" retires from GLP. Nancys Planet x prediction failed in 2003 yet they're still here and have plenty of followers.
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Thats because there is an endless supply of utter and complete FUCKHEADS on this planet..and PLENTY of DOGS!
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That is precisely the kind of "cherry picking" I would expect from a paid shill, or one who's mind is already made up about someone, and who goes fishing for tidbits - taken COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT - to "support" their position.

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That is EXACTLY what Clif is doing. You couldn't have described it better!
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It definitly won't be choice 4 When Zetatalk "chat" retires from GLP. Nancys Planet x prediction failed in 2003 yet they're still here and have plenty of followers.
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Thats because there is an endless supply of utter and complete FUCKHEADS on this planet..and PLENTY of DOGS!
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Hmm, I would say that your post is "self-referential".
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Even Gandhi <>
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Now you're comparing HIgh to Gandhi?
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Even Gandhi <>
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Now you're comparing HIgh to Gandhi?
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Of course. My question for YOU is, why should Clif be held to an even HIGHER standard than Gandhi??

YOU are the one critizing him for inconsistency on the non-violent question.
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No - I was referring to March 2nd; in fact the ENTIRE month of March.

By April 1st, the continuation of our way of life will be in extreme jeopardy. Clif says by June, CHAOS reins.

 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

What a surprise! He's pushing back the date or extending his predictions of doom - just like Nancy. And, no surprise here either, you're buying it.

omg
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Clif's radio schedule for his next two appearances:

February 22, 2012 - 4 to 6pm pst with Bill Xam, at Surrounded by Idiots Radio .

February 26, 2012 - 6 to 9pm pst with James Aurthur Jancik (the hottest foot in radio).

FIVE FULL HOURS OF CLIF!!!!!

Mexcited Mexcited Mexcited Mexcited Mexcited

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Even Gandhi <>
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Now you're comparing HIgh to Gandhi?
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Of course. My question for YOU is, why should Clif be held to an even HIGHER standard than Gandhi??

YOU are the one critizing him for inconsistency on the non-violent question.
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And, of course, Gandhi was responding to 200 years of actual occupation of his country by a foreign nation.

Clif is not only erratic in his statements, he is threatening violence against imaginary "masons, illuminati, [amd] agents of rome."

Once again, quite arguably a symptom of some sort of mental illness.
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Even Gandhi <>
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Now you're comparing HIgh to Gandhi?
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Of course. My question for YOU is, why should Clif be held to an even HIGHER standard than Gandhi??

YOU are the one critizing him for inconsistency on the non-violent question.
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And, of course, Gandhi was responding to 200 years of actual occupation of his country by a foreign nation.

Clif is not only erratic in his statements, he is threatening violence against imaginary "masons, illuminati, [amd] agents of rome."

Once again, quite arguably a symptom of some sort of mental illness.
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>> imaginary "masons, illuminati, [amd] agents of rome."

Seriously? You've got to be kidding!

dwagain

His threats are clearly aimed at the REPTILIANS.

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BAN MELFY!!!!
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offtopic
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And that is the best reason to ban your lying, trolling ass!
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BAN MELFY!!!!
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offtopic
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And that is the best reason to ban your lying, trolling ass!
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The Zetas via their emissary Nancy Lieder endorsed Clif and his work and said that it had an accuracy track record. Therefore, Clif is definitely ON TOPIC.
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>> imaginary "masons, illuminati, [amd] agents of rome."

Seriously? You've got to be kidding!


 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


There is no masonic conspiracy for world domination and there is zero evidence of the continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati beyond the 18th century.

Not as much fun as the GLP paradigm but it's the truth.





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