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Oh boy!!!! More remote viewing crap!!!

I can see why you don't want to bet.

Sure do

What makes you think it isn't?

Oh, too bad your shill wages won't cover your big mouth. Soo I was right, your shill pay can't cover your stupid comments.

BAN melfy!!!

So - here is the Farsight 2012 page:

[link to www.farsight.org]

So YOU are saying that ALL these people:

Courtney Brown PhD
Daz (Darrell)
Viewer 423
Pat Sage
Dick Allgire
Sita Seery
Maria Naulty
Debra Duggan-Takagi
Anne M. Koide

who worked on the 2012 material, are ALL engaged in a CONSPIRACY to just make up shit and pass it off to the public as if it was real???

I thought you guys didn't believe in "conspiracies"?

Please confirm that this is indeed what you are asserting.

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 06/18/2012 07:10 PM

No I am asserting that they are all fruitcakes being "scientifically documented" by a fruitcake.

You want a list of all the other crap they RVed as "real"?

My goodness you are a rube.

They are just as misguided in their beliefs as Nancy

>> You want a list of all the other crap they RVed as "real"?

Sure - absolutely. Bring it on!

Here is your great Doctor back peddling like a MOFO when he got caught lying.

[link to www.tmgnow.com]

He is hilarious

"Friends, it was foolish of me to think that we at The Farsight Institute could hope to combat an entrenched and continuing disinformation campaign on the basis of physical evidence. Physical evidence has never been the problem; the problem has always been that people are too willing to disregard almost any evidence based on nearly any contrary argument. In our case, an image nearly identical to our own was found in record time on a prominent university's Web site.

What should we do? Many of you may think that we should continue to combat this on the physical level. You may think that we should try to prove that our image came from film, and that this image was taken from a telescope, not another Web site. But friends, while all these facts are true, any effort to "prove" this would not succeed.

We know that we have never deceived or lied to the public. But we need to be very careful in how we respond to what has happened to us. If we try to respond on the level of only physical evidence, we will be crushed, not because we are wrong, but because we do not have the resources to win such a battle compared with those who attack us. The attacks would continue, and they would get worse in unexpected ways. It simply is not possible for us to fight our fight on that level."

Read the whole thing to see how your new "credible source" led his RVers back then to "see" a UFO following the comet

For starters

"
UPDATE ON TWA CRASH
(Source: REUTERS, 12/13/96)

The NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD now says that evidence from the wreckage of TWA flight 800 is "consistent" with a fuel tank explosion, and it proposes new steps to prevent fuel from reaching flash point. In the five months since the crash, investigators debated whether mechanical failure, a bomb or a missile from a ship or plane may have destroyed the plane. But as they salvaged more and more of the plane's remains from the ocean's bottom and found no bomb evidence, they began to lean toward mechanical failure. These findings are consistent with information gathered by Ed Dames and his remote viewers of PSI TECH, but in direct contradiction to Courtney Brown and the remote viewers of the FARSIGHT INSTITUTE. (JG)"

source
[link to www.nhne.com]

You're seriously validating Ed Dames?

Where am I doing any such thing?

Quite the opposite as farsight is WORSE than Dames.

Do you understand yet?

Seems like a perfectly reasonable response to an organized disinformation campaign.

Is this "all" you got?

This incident took place in 1997 - FIFTEEN years ago; less than three years after the institute was first created.

I think they're a little more sophisticated now.

You got anything MORE RECENT???

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 06/18/2012 08:23 PM

He was caught by the person who actually took the picture that was doctored and then sent by Brown to Bell.

This is FACT and Brown never produced any evidence to clear himself.

He is a liar.

Here is another piece pulled from farsights own site that has since been removed by Brown "conveniently"

[link to www.soulwise.net]

Not sounding overly confident there, Max. What happened? Did you actually start to realize following false prophets isn't a good idea?

Your asteroid impact which they said was 50/50 chance was viewed about the same time.

I don't get where you are thinking this is any more likely than any of their past predictions.

Let's flip it back the other way Max

What has farside institute predicted that HAS happened?

I would note that your Clif is a newletter subscriber to farsight so of course that got folded into his "reports" though he failed to read the whole thing so he went further than the 50/50 shot that Brown is shilling.

In their total careers to date Dames has guessed right far more often than Brown and crew and as you already noted he is not so hot a guesser.

>> He was caught by the person who actually took the picture that was doctored and then sent by Brown to Bell.

That was doctored??? I own a black SUV. If I take a picture of it and post it on the internet, the odds of other black SUV's nearly identical to mine having photos out there are a certainty. I laugh at the idea of another owner saying I stole the picture of his SUV and then doctored it to add a scratch or two that weren't there otherwise.

If there are "ET's" - don't you think their version of a 2010 Ford Silver F-150 is gonna look pretty darn similar to another one?

You guys are a HOOT!!!

You guys are REALLY stretching - aren't you?

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 06/18/2012 09:05 PM

It isn't funny Max as it helped get people killed.

You could be just as easily be misled.

And no a telescope plate print is easily discernible by any one from even the largest amateur telescope with roll film.

You have no idea how lame your apologist rantings are.

>> it helped get people killed

There is no way I'm blaming Courtney Brown for the deaths of the Heaven's Gate cult.



And yes, I've been "misled" - often. But I've learned from every experience, and none of those experiences were in any way even remotely "catastrophic". That's mainly because I never "go whole hog" with anything. I always note where the back door is, and always leave enough gas in the tank "to get home safely". In the end, most people fall victim to their own poorly made choices - and while they tragically often get a lot of help in making those poor choices, in most cases, there were "warning signs" they ignored.

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 06/18/2012 10:28 PM

Nope.

I'm thinking they're wrong. Pure and simple.

The RV stuff is unfalsifiable. It is largely justified after the fact, using the excuse of 'interpretation.'

There were a whole lot of 'experts' commenting about the inevitability of Y2K issues, too. They weren't all engaged in a conspiracy to make shit up -- they believed it. They were just hopelessly wrong.

That's what's going on here. What I find so strange is how you just keep on picking them. The one ZM track record that remains unblemished.

Yeah? HOW?

Be specific.

actually there could have been some pretty nasty issues in 2000, but a lot of people spent a lot of time and money to fix most of them up beforehand
I know from where I was working, they tested their systems beforehand (rail signalling) and it actually had problems, basically locking the system up completely- it cost them several million dollars to fix and test the system, but they made it in plenty of time so it never became an issue when it actually did the rollover
if they hadnt had tested and fixed it, then there could have been accidents on our railway- which wouldnt have been particularly nice

the testing actually had to meet standards and be tested and certified to ensure the publics safety- we were finished program modifications and testing with over 6 months to spare

I've been working in IT since 1994. So I was in the thick of the Y2K remediation activities at four different companies. Most of the work was on the mainframe, but there were TONS of Unix and PC patches from all kinds of vendors. Obviously enough of the problems got fixed to avoid severe problems. Yet the whole experience underscores a profound truism: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I still struggle today between getting a task finished quickly, and getting it finished ROBUSTLY. Management cares ten times more about quick solutions than robust ones (except in high frequency activities, and then they care about robustness only because the high frequency forces the issues to the surface QUICKLY).

There are so many indicators of pending global disaster that are simply too many to mention. The attacks on Brown are LAME to say the least, especially given the CONTROLS that were present on the latest 2012 RV project. Even if Brown were a congenital liar, the CONTROLS used in this particular project would have rendered that immaterial. All the sessions from which all the conclusions have been drawn are publicly available - and anyone is free to draw thier own conclusions.

When a remote viewer even hits a target AT ALL, it's monstrously impressive. Obviously there is something to this RVing stuff.

I'm talking more in generalities. I said that NONE of them ended catastrophically - which are the ones that are easily remembered. Most of the problems I've had with being "misled" occurred in relationships with women - but that shouldn't surprise anyone. During my divorce from my first wife (I'm currently married to my second), we made a "deal" that she would get the new car we just purchased if she would give me $5000 dollars. It was a verbal agreement - and a TEST on my part. She abruptly screwed me HARD on the money, and told me to fuck off and sue her. The RELIEF I felt was some of the most profound I ever experienced, because up until that point I had huge doubts that I was doing the right thing (I was the one who initiated the divorce). I've haven't felt a shred of guilt since. (I let her keep both the car and the money - fighting back would have only made her hate worse.)

In the mid-90s I was trying to assist a friend of a friend who got screwed out of his life savings (he was churned and burned). He was really brilliant in some ways, and incredibly naive and trusting in others. This was one of them - he never even bothered to open the statements from his broker for five years. He was an easy target. Anyhow, I put him up rent free, and even assisted him in getting a car. The car was a piece of shit with one problem after another (which is why it cost $500). I had purchased a video camera from him for $5000 (getting screwed out of $5000 grand is the one theme in my life) to get him some spending money, and told him he could "borrow it back" when he needed it (he was trying to become a wedding videographer). Anyhow, he was just a deadbeat, and after supporting him for six months - with him becoming more and more dependant, and less "interested" in getting himself back on his own feet, I gave him an ultimatum and a deadline. A week later he was GONE - stole the camera, pawned it, bought his old car back from the dealer he hawked it off too (using the money as a downpayment - and then screwing the dealer by never making even a single payment), and went to Florida. I got a bizzare letter from him thanking me for offering the camera to him as a compensation for screwing him on the $500 car and "misleading" him as to my intentions.

????

Like they say - no good deed goes unpunished.

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 06/19/2012 04:31 AM

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He seemingly has not learned discernment.

Or how to tell the truth.

While you guys are having a completely FAKE debate (because everyone always feigns agreement on this thread), I just want to remind you that there are ONLY ELEVEN DAYS OF NORMALCY LEFT!!!! (according to Clif)



Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 06/20/2012 05:56 AM