There is no Biblical evidence that Christ is of the seed of King David. In fact, the Bible proves He is not.

THIS IS WEIRD , I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH MY SON ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY. I ALSO PROFFERED THE THOUGHT THAT, WOULDN'T HE HAVE HAD TO BE A CLONE OF MARY IF HE ONLY HAD HER D.N.A. I'M NOT COMPLETELY SURE ON THIS. SOMEONE MAY BE ABLE TO CORRECT ME.

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Thanks for the interesting link. I have only a few comments.

First, the link says that the genealogy in Matthew established the LEGAL royal blood line through Joseph, which is an argument I've read hundreds of times before. However, since Joseph was not the physical father of Christ, the “seed of David” could not pass through him. The Bible makes no mention of the requirement of a purely legal blood line. The "fruit of one's loins" is a physical status, not a legal one.

Second, the Article also says that Mary's mother was of the House of Arron so that Mary was also of the house of Aaron/Levi as I suggested. However the author says that Mary was also of the house of Judah through her father and that “The blood line of Nathan, the son of David, is through Mary's father.” However, there are several problems with this conclusion.

As I have already shown, the bloodline (seed of David) was to be through David's son Solomon, not his son Nathan. Additionally, the genealogy given in Luke does makes no mention of Mary, nor does it identify Mary's father. The genealogy in Luke traces the ancestry of Nathan to Joseph, but not to Mary. If Joseph and Mary have the same genealogies their relationship is incestuous.

If Mary's father was of the house of David, where is that fact stated in the Bible? What's his name?

I have provided verses showing that the throne of David would pass through Solomon. If the throne of David is to pass through Nathan as your link claims, where is that fact stated in the Bible? Did God change His mind?

I said there was no evidence in the Bible which proved that either Joseph or Mary could have passed the seed of David to Christ. The link you provided was interesting and I thank you, but it did nothing to make me change my mind.

One parting thought. Over the years I have read dozens of schemes employed in an attempt to find Biblical evidence of a bloodline between either Joseph or Mary and King David. There are four theories involving the Book of Luke: (1) it is the genealogy of Joseph; (2) it is the genealogy of Mary; (3) it is the genealogy of Mary's father; and (4) it is not a legitimate genealogy of anyone. The later theory is based on the fact that the genealogy is introduced by the words "as was supposed."

Hey Prof,
Check this out-
1. Abraham , Yitzhak, Yacov, Yahudah, Perez, Hezron, Ram, Amminadab, Nahshon, Salmon, Boaz, Obed, Jesse and David= 14.
2. Sholomo, Rehoboam, AbiYah, Asa, Yehoshaphat, Yehoram, Uzziah, Yotham ,Ahaz, Hezekiah, Mannaseh, Amon, Yosiah and Yeconiah(Exile to Babylon)=14.

Then we have Matthew 1:17 which explicitly says that one should be able to find 14 generations from the exile to the Messiah.
3. Shealtiel, Zerubbabel, Abiud, Eliakim, Azor, Zadok, Akim, Eliud, Eleazar, Matthan, Yacov, Yousef, Miriam(Mary) followed by the Messiah=14 generations.
"The husband of Mary" part can also be rendered as "The Givra of Mary" where "Givra" can mean "Husband" or "Lord/Father".

It's pays RICHLY if you sometimes ignore King Jimmy and his excellent translators. Can't really blame them when they ignore the richness of the ancient eastern languages, choosing instead to have their expert committees to arrive on a consensus to decide the correct rendering(s).

Jesus is the beginning and the end!

Those of you that hate Christ will have to deal with this fatal flaw in your walk.

It's a daily walk and hope for a new day is always possible!

Hey Prof,
Check this out-
1. Abraham , Yitzhak, Yacov, Yahudah, Perez, Hezron, Ram, Amminadab, Nahshon, Salmon, Boaz, Obed, Jesse and David= 14.
2. Sholomo, Rehoboam, AbiYah, Asa, Yehoshaphat, Yehoram, Uzziah, Yotham ,Ahaz, Hezekiah, Mannaseh, Amon, Yosiah and Yeconiah(Exile to Babylon)=14.

Then we have Matthew 1:17 which explicitly says that one should be able to find 14 generations from the exile to the Messiah.
3. Shealtiel, Zerubbabel, Abiud, Eliakim, Azor, Zadok, Akim, Eliud, Eleazar, Matthan, Yacov, Yousef, Miriam(Mary) followed by the Messiah=14 generations.
"The husband of Mary" part can also be rendered as "The Givra of Mary" where "Givra" can mean "Husband" or "Lord/Father".

It's pays RICHLY if you sometimes ignore King Jimmy and his excellent translators. Can't really blame them when they ignore the richness of the ancient eastern languages, choosing instead to have their expert committees to arrive on a consensus to decide the correct rendering(s).

Cite your source Greek or Aramaic Textual line, please? I too have seen this but cannot remember where.

I make a case that one should fully study the Greek of Matthew to see if there are other places in Matthew where the Greek word "aner" can be rendered into English as "father" without doing harm to the meaning of the text in light of other texts on the identical topic.

If "aner" can also be rendered into English as 'father' (an unusal usage seemingly so) then that thesis does hold some water but would yet have to be tested on other points from the dataset, i.e., the Scripture.

I have alot of problems myself with Eramus's Greek Text Edition and the KJV English in particular.

Professor,

Joseph and Mary came from the line of David. Joseph was
Our Lord's foster father so it is very important that Mary
descended from David.

I posted the same at Jesus on the Cross thread.

Numbers 36:6 And this is the law promulgated by the Lord touching the daughters of Salphaad: Let them marry to whom they will, only so that it be to men of their own tribe. 7 Lest the possession of the children of Israel be mingled from tribe to tribe. For all men shall marry wives of their own tribe and kindred: 8 And all women shall take husbands of the same tribe: that the inheritance may remain in the families, 9 And that the tribes be not mingled one with another, but remain so 10 As they were separated by the Lord. And the daughters of Salphaad did as was commanded:

11 And Maala, and Thersa, and Hegla, and Melcha, and Noa were married to the sons of their uncle by their father, 12 Of the family of Manasses, who was the son of Joseph: and the possession that had been allotted to them, remained in the tribe and family of their father.


You gotta be kidding me!

There is nothing in your article which mentions anything about Mary. You cannot possibly believe that the verses you quote offer the slightest evidence of either Mary's or Joseph's lineage to King David.

I asked for Biblical proof of Christ's lineage to King David and you have offered nothing but irrelevant gibberish.

On a plus note, at least you didn't attempt to challenge my analysis that the genealogies given in Matthew and Luke do not in any way establish that Mary is of the house of David.

Try again, and this time look for a verse that actually says something about Mary's ancestry. Don't bother me with verses about Joseph because every Christian knows that Joseph wasn't the father of Jesus, so that the "seed of David" could not have passed through him. Being Christ's foster father means nothing.

Hey Prof,
Check this out-
1. Abraham , Yitzhak, Yacov, Yahudah, Perez, Hezron, Ram, Amminadab, Nahshon, Salmon, Boaz, Obed, Jesse and David= 14.
2. Sholomo, Rehoboam, AbiYah, Asa, Yehoshaphat, Yehoram, Uzziah, Yotham ,Ahaz, Hezekiah, Mannaseh, Amon, Yosiah and Yeconiah(Exile to Babylon)=14.

Then we have Matthew 1:17 which explicitly says that one should be able to find 14 generations from the exile to the Messiah.
3. Shealtiel, Zerubbabel, Abiud, Eliakim, Azor, Zadok, Akim, Eliud, Eleazar, Matthan, Yacov, Yousef, Miriam(Mary) followed by the Messiah=14 generations.
"The husband of Mary" part can also be rendered as "The Givra of Mary" where "Givra" can mean "Husband" or "Lord/Father".

It's pays RICHLY if you sometimes ignore King Jimmy and his excellent translators. Can't really blame them when they ignore the richness of the ancient eastern languages, choosing instead to have their expert committees to arrive on a consensus to decide the correct rendering(s).

The genealogy also states the Adam was the son of God....

This means we are all sons of God.

I hate you christers. You're such lying pieces of shit. Worthless barely concious scum.

Shove your bible up your ass.

What is the name of Mary's father?


mm Kevin?

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Matthew 1

The Genealogy of Jesus

1 A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:
2Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,
Perez the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
4Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
5Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,
Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,
Obed the father of Jesse,
6and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife,
7Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
9Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah,
11and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[a] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
12After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud,
Abiud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Eliud,
15Eliud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
17Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ

Christians insist that Christ MUST be of the seed of David. Since it must be conceded that Joseph is not the father of Jesus, the only way to establish that Christ is of the seed of David is to prove that His mother Mary is a descendant of David. However, the Bible offers no evidence of this. The Bible gives only two genealogies for Christ. The first is found in Matthew, and the second in Luke. Here are both genealogies purportedly tracing Christ to King David (edited for brevity):

Matthew 1:6-16:

“And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; And Solomon begat Roboam.....And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Luke 3:23-31

“And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli....which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David”

As anyone can see, these verses tell nothing of Mary's ancestors. Absolutely nothing. This would the first time in all the history of the world that a woman's lineage is given without mentioning the woman. What makes this whole thing funny is that when you compare the genealogies given in Matthew and Luke you will find several contradictions:

First, Mathew claims that the father of Joseph (Mary's husband) is Jacob, while Luke claims Joseph's father was Heli. Matthew 1:16 says: “And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.” However, Luke 3:23 says: “ And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.”

Second, Matthew traces Joseph's linage through David's son Solomon (Matthew 1:6), whereas Luke traces it through David's son Nathan (Luke 3:31). Of course, both passages cannot be true since that would be biologically impossible. It reminds me of that old song, “I'm My Own Grandpa.”

Third, both Matthew and Luke clearly trace the ancestry of Joseph. If the same ancestry applies to Mary, then Mary, the mother of Jesus, was intimately involved with her own brother or half-brother. Anyone who has read the Old Testament knows this is a no-no.

The only specific Biblical reference to Mary's genealogy is found in Luke 1:36, which says that Mary and Elisabeth were cousins, and Luke 1:5 which says that Elisabeth was of the daughter of Aaron (of the house of Levi, not Judah). Since one's ancestry is traced through male descendants, and not female, Luke shows that Mary would of the tribe of Levi just as her cousin Elisabeth was, and not of the tribe of Judah as David was. The Qur'an states clearly that Mary was in fact of the daughters of Aaron, from the tribe of Levi:

“And she came to her people with him, carrying him [Jesus] with her. They said: O Marium [Mary]! surely you have done a strange thing. O sister of Haroun [Aaron]! your father was not a bad man, nor, was your mother an unchaste woman.” See the Qur'an, Sura 19, Ayat 27, 28 (explanatory insertions my own).

There is another another major problem with claiming that Matthew traces Mary's ancestry back to King David. In Matthew 1:12, the given lineage from King David to Joseph (and supposedly to Mary) includes Jechonias. Now the Old Testament prohibits any seed of Jechonia (a.k.a. Jechonias and Coniah) from ascending to the throne of David:

“Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not? O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD. Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah” (Jeremiah 22:28-30).

Of course, there is also an additional problem with Luke's account of Christ's ancestry. Luke traces Mary's genealogy to King David through David's son Nathan; however, the Old Testament says that the Messiah would be the seed of David's other son Solomon (1 Chronicles 28:5; 1 Chronicles 29:1 and 1 Chronicles 29:24). So even of the lineage given in Luke applied to Mary (which it does not), her son is not qualified to sit on the throne of David.

In conclusion, there is nothing - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING - in the Bible which traces Mary's lineage to King David. But if I'm wrong, answer this one question for me: What is the name of Mary's father? Or try this one: Where in the Bible does it specifically state that Mary was of the house of David? If you have found such a reference, I will confess to the world that you are more knowledgeable about the Bible than I am. All you have to do is cite the verse which supports your claim.

The best that any Christian can do is to make an illogical claim that Mary had to be of the lineage of David because she was Christ's mother and Christ had to be of the lineage of David. That nonsense doesn't work for me or anyone else with at least the minimal cognitive abilities of the average 12-year old.

There is no Biblical evidence that Christ is of the seed of King David. In fact, if anything, the Bible proves He is not.

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Mary (mother of Jesus)
Hebrew: Miriam.

Mary was the wife of Joseph and the mother of Jesus Christ, who was conceived within her by the Holy Spirit when she was a virgin. She is often called the “Virgin Mary,” though never in Scripture are those two words put together as a proper name (Matt. 2:11; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27; Acts 1:14).

Little is known of her personal history. Her genealogy is given in Luke 3 (see below). She was of the tribe of Judah and the lineage of David (Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32). She was connected by marriage with Elisabeth, who was of the lineage of Aaron (Luke 1:36).

While she resided at Nazareth with her parents, before she became the wife of Joseph, the angel Gabriel announced to her that she was to be the mother of the promised Messiah (Luke 1:35). After this she went to visit her cousin Elisabeth, who was living with her husband Zacharias (probably at Juttah, Josh. 15:55; 21:16, in the neighborhood of Maon), at a considerable distance, about 100 miles, from Nazareth. Immediately on entering the house she was saluted by Elisabeth as the mother of her Lord, and then immediately gave her hymn of thanksgiving (Luke 1:46-56; compare 1 Sam. 2:1-10). After three months Mary returned to Nazareth to her own home.

Joseph was supernaturally made aware (Matt. 1:18-25) of her condition, and took her to his own home. Soon after this the decree of Augustus (Luke 2:1) required that they should proceed to Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), some 80 or 90 miles from Nazareth; and while they were there they found shelter in the inn or khan provided for strangers (Luke 2:6,7). But as the inn was crowded, Mary had to retire to a place among the cattle, and there she brought forth her son, who was called Jesus (Matt. 1:21), because he was to save his people from their sins.

This was followed by the presentation in the temple, the flight into Egypt, and their return in the following year and residence at Nazareth (Matt. 2). There for thirty years Mary, the wife of Joseph the carpenter, resides, filling her own humble sphere, and pondering over the strange things that had happened to her. During these years only one event in the history of Jesus is recorded, viz., his going up to Jerusalem when twelve years of age, and his being found among the doctors in the temple (Luke 2:41-52). Probably also during this period Joseph died, for he is not again mentioned.

After the commencement of our Lord’s public ministry little notice is taken of Mary. She was present at the marriage in Cana. A year and a half after this we find her at Capernaum (Matt. 12:46,48,49), where Christ uttered the memorable words, “Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!” The next time we find her is at the cross along with her sister Mary, and Mary Magdalene, and Salome, and other women (John 19:26). From that hour John took her to his own abode. She was with the little company in the upper room after the Ascension (Acts 1:14). From this time she wholly disappears from public notice. The time and manner of her death are unknown.

Author: Matthew G. Easton, with editing by Paul S. Taylor.
MARY’S OTHER CHILDREN

Mary’s other sons included Joses (Joseph), James, Judas, and Simon. There were evidently sisters as well, but they are unnamed (Matthew 13:55-56; Mark 6:3).

GENEAOLOGY

Mary was a direct descendant of King David which gave Jesus the right to ascend the Jewish throne, both through Mary and through adoption by his foster father, Joseph. Mary’s genealogy is supplied in Luke 3:23-38 . Dr. Henry Morris explains the genealogy in Luke:

“Joseph was clearly the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:16, so this verse [Luke 3:23 - says “son of Heli”] should be understood to mean “son-in-law of Heli.” Thus, the genealogy of Christ in Luke is actually the genealogy of Mary, while Matthew gives that of Joseph. Actually, the word “son” is not in the original, so it would be legitimate to supply either “son” or “son-in-law” in this context. Since Matthew and Luke clearly record much common material, it is certain that neither one could unknowingly incorporate such a flagrant apparent mistake as the wrong genealogy in his record. As it is, however, the two genealogies show that both parents were descendants of David—Joseph through Solomon (Matthew 1:7-15), thus inheriting the legal right to the throne of David, and Mary through Nathan (Luke 3:23-31), her line thus carrying the seed of David, since Solomon’s line had been refused the throne because of Jechoniah’s sin” [Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Defender’s Study Bible, note for Luke 3:23 (Iowa Falls, Iowa: World Publishing, Inc., 1995).].
Although Jesus was clearly legally related to both parents (to Mary, by being born from her, and to Joseph by legal adoption), was he genetically related to them or to his brothers and sisters?

For thousands of years, every human child has been born with an inherited sin nature and sinful flesh (Romans 8:3). This is a result of our sinful first parents, Adam and Eve to whom we are all genetically related. Each generation (without exception) has sinned (Rom. 3:23) and passed on its sinful nature and the curse of death, to each succeeding generation (the biblical doctrine of imputation of sin - Romans 5:12-19). There is only one exception in history. Although Jesus grew in the womb of Mary, in the same manner as any baby, he was different from all other babies. It appears that he was not genetically related to either Mary or Joseph, for both had an inherited sin nature. Jesus was sinless, and one may reasonably assume without genetic flaw, since he was to serve as the spotless and sacrificial Lamb of God.

■Ever since the Creation, each subsequent life has been created at the moment of conception. Scientifically, the new entity begins at the moment the DNA of man and woman combine. This was not the case with Jesus. As a spirit and part of the Trinity, Jesus existed before the Creation of the world. In fact, John reveals that he is the Creator (John 1).

■Furthermore, the physical body of Jesus as born in Bethlehem was clearly a special creation of God, placed in Mary’s womb. This is the biblical doctrine of the Virgin Birth.

Thus, neither Christ’s spirit nor his body must have resulted from the DNA of Mary’s egg or from any man’s sperm. Both would have contained inherited genetic defects and the sin nature. As Scripture tells us, Jesus was truly the Second Adam. The first Adam was a special creation of God (not related to any human being), and so was the second Adam (Romans 5:12-19). Jesus was just as fully human as the first Adam. And just like the first Adam, he had no sin nature, no inherited sin, no sinful flesh, which has always been passed from one generation to the next since Adam and Eve’s sin. He was absolutely pure and without sin—from the day he was born, till the day he died. He had to be—he was the Lamb of God, without blemish or spot, sacrificed for sins (John 1:29). (For further explanation, see: CREATION AND THE VIRGIN BIRTH and WHEN GOD BECAME MAN]

Author: Paul S. Taylor.
ALSO SEE:

■Messiah
■How do we know that Jesus was the Messiah?
■List of Messianic prophecies fulfilled by Jesus Christ
■Answers to objections raised by some Jews


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MATTHEW shows the genealogy of Joseph.

LUKE shows the genealogy of Mary...actually, of Our Lord.

Some want to know
and some want not to know.

You could say that about just about any religion and even atheism. Some don't want to know that they are mere mortals and will die and turn to dust. And some want to know the truth so they become atheists.

Or some don't want to know that the Scientology religion is the one true religion and others who are faithful followers do want to know.

Or you could say that about the Baptist religion, the Catholic religion, the Islam religion, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. I know you meant this in the context of the thread but it still means the same thing, no matter what context you say it in. All this means is that you think you are right about what you know and others are wrong about what they know. But you COULD be wrong, you know?

Christians insist that Christ MUST be of the seed of David. Since it must be conceded that Joseph is not the father of Jesus, the only way to establish that Christ is of the seed of David is to prove that His mother Mary is a descendant of David. However, the Bible offers no evidence of this. The Bible gives only two genealogies for Christ. The first is found in Matthew, and the second in Luke. Here are both genealogies purportedly tracing Christ to King David (edited for brevity):

What is the name of Mary's father?