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Why 2005 YU55 is a MAJOR concern.

 
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[link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov]
3 Facts about YU55

1. When it creates that triangle with earth and the moon the gravity of both Earth & Moon will be powerful enough to change it's trajectory and degrade it's speed. This is bad for two reasons. If it slows down, it allows a much larger chance for debris it has collected to fall to the earth. Also, if the earths gravity is powerful enough to satellite the moon around it, when the moon is 1,700 miles in diameter why isn't it strong enough to pull in a rock that's only 1,500 feet in diameter and has far less mass?

That's an answer in itself. If it's going fast enough, there won't be hardly any change in course due to it's LOW MASS

2. The Sun will push the Earths magnetic sheild away from the Sun. The Moon will be
traveling thru it, and during the month of November if any Solar Activity is present, the asteroid will be significantly affected.

That won't really have an effect unless it's a comet and the ice actually jets from it, causing a MINOR change in course.

3. Due to the Moon's hot core, it can not
hold a very strong magnetic field. However, due to the size of this asteroid, roughly
the height of the empire state building, and its rapid speed, it's course
heading and speed will be slightly altered and there is a significant possibility
additional energy may be imparted to the asteroids rotational speed thru
electro-magnetic resonance. Kinda like the wind blowing on a pinwheel, the
stonger the gusts the faster the spin.

The moon does not have a molten core

Without orbital mechanics, and specific facts, and its new course and heading
speed, I would would not hazard a guess what it will do next time it visits us
again. Worst yet, if it is very fragile, it just might break up and afford us
new craters on the moon and earth to look at. However, if it is as round as they
stated, one needs to ask why that is so. How could it evenly collect dust and
ice particles? Clearly it is moving so fast,
and rotating once a day, it is efficient in vaccuuming dust thru out our solar
system. Than that becomes another variable to add to a long list of ifs. The
other is why we didn't see it before 2005, does it show up on the old Mount Palomar
Photographic plates?

If there is a course change, it could very well be more aimed AWAY from Earth just as easily more aim AT it... even odds there, but unlikely it will change

I also found that Robert S. McMillan who discovered this thing says that we don't have anything to fear as far as hitting earth goes until 100 years from now. I went to Nasa's JPL and looked at it every date from 2012 to 2140. The only two times it ever comes even close to us is listed below.

april 17th 2021 .028

november 7th 2022 .0366 au

after 2022 I couldn't find a single date it came anywhere near us. So why are they falsely projecting a concern for the future? Could there be concern now?

Not likely, these guys know what they are doing, we can slingshot Cassini off earth more than once, without any corrections needed other than burn out away from Earth, If I remember right people were in a panic it would hit us and release it's thermo nuclear battery onto us, but nothing happened, they planned it well.

Why is President Obama issuing a National Emergency broadcast on the very date this thing is flying by? Could there be debris entering our atmosphere? This thing is going right through the earths magnetosphere folks. I'm not a doomer, but this definitely looks like something we should be really looking at.
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They don't plan a national emergency broadcast in advance... unless it's a hurricane, that JUST now turned towards land etc... How could they plan a broadcast that far out, when there is no emergency in sight?
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3 Facts about YU55

1. On November 8th YU55 will become A lunar distance of 0.85, also 0.00217 AU (325,000 km; 202,000 mi) from Earth. The closest approach of any outer space object to earth in human history.
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Nonsense. Has everyone already forgotten about this guy? He passed much, much closer to earth. It still missed.
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2. YU55 will also become 0.00160 AU (239,000 km; 149,000 mi) from the moon. It's position will form a triangle with the earth and the moon.
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Any three points always form a triangle.
3. YU55 is 1,500 feet in diameter and round shaped like a planet. It also seems to be evenly picking up Dust and ice particles along with it.
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Yes, it's big, which is why it's receiving so much attention. I have not seen any evidence that it's surrounded by debris. The hill sphere for an asteroid that small is itself vanishingly small, so if any particle were going to orbit it, it would have to remain VERY close to the asteroid.

Why it should be of worry?
3 reasons.

1. When it creates that triangle with earth and the moon the gravity of both Earth & Moon will be powerful enough to change it's trajectory and degrade it's speed.

The change in its trajectory due to the earth and moon's gravity is already accounted for in the calculations. It will still miss us.
Also, if the earths gravity is powerful enough to satellite the moon around it, when the moon is 1,700 miles in diameter why isn't it strong enough to pull in a rock that's only 1,500 feet in diameter and has far less mass?
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You seem to have a profound misunderstanding of the way orbital dynamics work. The mass of the asteroid has nothing to do with it. It would have to hit the atmosphere just right at just the right speed to slow down enough and be captured as a satellite of earth, which isn't going to happen.
2. The Sun will push the Earths magnetic sheild away from the Sun. The Moon will be
traveling thru it, and during the month of November if any Solar Activity is present, the asteroid will be significantly affected.
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The trajectory of the asteroid is not going to be affected by passing through earth's magnetotail, regardless of solar activity, if it even does so (I haven't verified that part for myself and based on the other things you've said I'm not prepared to take your word for it).
3. Due to the Moon's hot core, it can not
hold a very strong magnetic field.
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No, due to the fact that the moon is about as geologically dead as any body in the solar system can be, it doesn't have a magnetic field. It only has small amounts of crustal magnetism.
Without orbital mechanics,
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Which we have, which is how we can predict the specifics of this encounter in the first place.
The other is why we didn't see it before 2005, does it show up on the old Mount Palomar Photographic plates?
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Most of the time it's dimmer than magnitude 21. The only time it would be bright enough to show up on the Palomar Sky Survey plates is during a close approach. The Sky survey was not designed to rapidly scan the sky, each exposure was rather long, about an hour each.
I also found that Robert S. McMillan who discovered this thing says that we don't have anything to fear as far as hitting earth goes until 100 years from now. I went to Nasa's JPL and looked at it every date from 2012 to 2140. The only two times it ever comes even close to us is listed below.

april 17th 2021 .028

november 7th 2022 .0366 au

after 2022 I couldn't find a single date it came anywhere near us. So why are they falsely projecting a concern for the future? Could there be concern now?
 Quoting: zaphryn

All they said is that they ruled out any impact in the next hundred years, that doesn't mean they fear an impact 101 years from now, or even 130, just that for at least the next hundred years we're clear.

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Could this explain all of the "moon blowing up" dreams?
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I had a dream the moon was destroyed...
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This simulation does not look NEARLY as harmless as the link you posted, OP! damned

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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"2005 YU55, also written as 2005 YU55, is a potentially hazardous object[2] that is 400 meters in diameter."

"In February 2010 it was rated 1 on the Torino Scale. On 19 April 2010, highly accurate radar targeting by the Arecibo radio telescope reduced uncertainties about the orbit by 50 percent.[4] This improvement eliminated any possibility of an impact with the Earth for the next 100 years.[4] It was removed from the Sentry Risk Table on 22 April 2010.[5]"

This page was last modified on 14 July 2011 at 14:42.


So, wiki says the diameter is 400 feet, not 1500 and that any possibility of impact was eliminated in April of last year- the page at wiki was modifed last week--why the contradictory info?
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It was comming out of a State Park area going to a residential area.
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Wouldn't worry too much. Probably just a coyote-dog hybrid with mange and parasite sickness.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"2005 YU55, also written as 2005 YU55, is a potentially hazardous object[2] that is 400 meters in diameter."

"In February 2010 it was rated 1 on the Torino Scale. On 19 April 2010, highly accurate radar targeting by the Arecibo radio telescope reduced uncertainties about the orbit by 50 percent.[4] This improvement eliminated any possibility of an impact with the Earth for the next 100 years.[4] It was removed from the Sentry Risk Table on 22 April 2010.[5]"

This page was last modified on 14 July 2011 at 14:42.


So, wiki says the diameter is 400 feet, not 1500 and that any possibility of impact was eliminated in April of last year- the page at wiki was modifed last week--why the contradictory info?
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Because I clearly stated it's 1,500 feet in diameter. 400 meters is about 1,300 feet. Wiki says it's slightly smaller, where as NASA says about 1,500 feet on their JPL. Nothing contradictory here. And of course it would state it's not going to hit the earth. However, they are sending a ship to the moon now to test it's gravitational pull for a reason. They are wondering what this things can do. so am I.
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This simulation does not look NEARLY as harmless as the link you posted, OP! damned


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What in the world do you mean? The link I posted was a nasa JPL clip. nothing I did to make anything look harmful.
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This simulation does not look NEARLY as harmless as the link you posted, OP! damned


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Did you have a chance to look at this video, OP? This orbit implies a direct lunar hit!
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I saw that min series already and it was creepy scary...maybe some of the folks having bad dreams saw it also
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This simulation does not look NEARLY as harmless as the link you posted, OP! damned


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What in the world do you mean? The link I posted was a nasa JPL clip. nothing I did to make anything look harmful.
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I wasn't accusing you of anything. Just that the link you posted shows this object passing by the earth and moon whereas the video here seems to suggest a direct hit. That's all. I appreciate the work you have put into this post and for raising awareness of this object. I knew nothing about it until I saw your thread today!
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I got the privelige of asking several questions to an astronaut and a scientist at Space day in DC this year...They were both surprised at my questions. (Said they were the best ones they had heard.) I was interested in YU55 and the possibility of overcoming its inertia and the Earth Capturing it as a very small permanent moon. I think they misunderstood partly and we got on the subject of intentionally capturing these bodies for mineral harvesting. All in all was a good experience...
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just enjoy the show
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This simulation does not look NEARLY as harmless as the link you posted, OP! damned


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Did you have a chance to look at this video, OP? This orbit implies a direct lunar hit!
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I posted that video earlier but am not sure how the you tuber came up with those calculations. If that happens though, it would be the fulfillment of so many dreams and visions that are getting posted lately.

The admin of the site that posted it left this note:(Before Its news)

Note: Most calculations suggest that YU55 will not hit the moon—and that it’s closest approach to the moon will be on November 9th—but that’s using the officially released NASA data. The animation above is most likely the view from the ecliptic (from the Sun?), and therefore misleading. It is true, however, that the asteroid will pass closer to the Moon than the Earth, as it leaves
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Get a life,,,
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comets, asteroids......seems like an awful lot is happening!
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So wait...we're ditching all of the Elenin theories and jumping on the YU55 fear wagon? Make up your minds please.yeahsure
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This simulation does not look NEARLY as harmless as the link you posted, OP! damned


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Did you have a chance to look at this video, OP? This orbit implies a direct lunar hit!
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OMG I misunderstood what you typed. I just checked out the video now actually. Wow! I apologize for misunderstanding.
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So wait...we're ditching all of the Elenin theories and jumping on the YU55 fear wagon? Make up your minds please.yeahsure
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Elenin is not Nibiru. I never was on that. Nibiru is huge. Larger than Jupiter. If Elenin was Nibiru we'd see it in the sky right now with the naked eye.

YU55 is real though. Very real.
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This simulation does not look NEARLY as harmless as the link you posted, OP! damned


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Did you have a chance to look at this video, OP? This orbit implies a direct lunar hit!
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wonder what the model would show if it ran for another ten seconds ?, why doesn't it ?

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So wait...we're ditching all of the Elenin theories and jumping on the YU55 fear wagon? Make up your minds please.yeahsure
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Not quite. People are losing track of something. Go dig the JPL simulation up for YU55, then do the one for Elenin, then do the new companion, overlay them and around Nov 9th look. It's not one single object to concern yourself, it's the fact all three will be in proximity. I'm pretty sure that is what is worrying Nasa. Oh by the way, JPL shows a totally different orbit than the one reported below. Which is right?


Earth has found a new companion that has joined its orbit around the sun, scientists have revealed.

It may not have the most romantic of names, but Asteroid 2010 SO16 could pursue Earth for anywhere between the next 120,000 to a million years.

Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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i will follow this thread for sure

actually i think most of the ppl here follow the situation norway

thread savedhf
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That's the idea! Kill people with a bomb outrage, divert attention from the real threats. It happens all the time, like the hacking scandal, Libya. Meanwhile...

mclinking
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Also, the hearings on Operation Fast & Furious. No media coverage at all.
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Elenin is a crock of shit.

This is real. bump
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Elenin is a crock of shit.

This is real. bump
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+1
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List of things to worry about:

Fatal Car Crash
YU55
Serial Killers
Cancer
Wild Tigers (for those in Africa)
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there are also tigers in Asia, please add them to your imcomplete list
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[link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov]
3 Facts about YU55

1. On November 8th YU55 will become A lunar distance of 0.85, also 0.00217 AU (325,000 km; 202,000 mi) from Earth. The closest approach of any outer space object to earth in recent recorded human history.

2. YU55 will also become 0.00160 AU (239,000 km; 149,000 mi) from the moon. It's position will form a triangle with the earth and the moon.

3. YU55 is 1,500 feet in diameter and round shaped like a planet. It also seems to be evenly picking up Dust and ice particles along with it.


Why it should be of worry?
3 reasons.

1. When it creates that triangle with earth and the moon the gravity of both Earth & Moon will be powerful enough to change it's trajectory and degrade it's speed. This is bad for two reasons. If it slows down, it allows a much larger chance for debris it has collected to fall to the earth. Also, if the earths gravity is powerful enough to satellite the moon around it, when the moon is 1,700 miles in diameter why isn't it strong enough to pull in a rock that's only 1,500 feet in diameter and has far less mass? Why Is NASA sending two space crafts to the moon in twin orbit to test the moons gravitational pull?

Grail Mission: [link to erc.ivv.nasa.gov]

2. The Sun will push the Earths magnetic sheild away from the Sun. The Moon will be
traveling thru it, and during the month of November if any Solar Activity is present, the asteroid will be significantly affected. The Asteroid is dragging Ice particles and dust along with it. Ice Particles would be effected by solar activity.


3. Due to the Moon's hot core, it can not
hold a very strong magnetic field. However, due to the size of this asteroid, roughly
the height of the empire state building, and its rapid speed, it's course
heading and speed will be slightly altered and there is a significant possibility
additional energy may be imparted to the asteroids rotational speed thru
electro-magnetic resonance. Kinda like the wind blowing on a pinwheel, the
stonger the gusts the faster the spin.

Without orbital mechanics, and specific facts, and its new course and heading
speed, I would would not hazard a guess what it will do next time it visits us
again. Worst yet, if it is very fragile, it just might break up and afford us
new craters on the moon and earth to look at. However, if it is as round as they
stated, one needs to ask why that is so. How could it evenly collect dust and
ice particles? Clearly it is moving so fast,
and rotating once a day, it is efficient in vaccuuming dust thru out our solar
system. Than that becomes another variable to add to a long list of ifs. The
other is why we didn't see it before 2005, does it show up on the old Mount Palomar
Photographic plates?


I also found that Robert S. McMillan who discovered this thing says that we don't have anything to fear as far as hitting earth goes until 100 years from now. I went to Nasa's JPL and looked at it every date from 2012 to 2140. The only two times it ever comes even close to us is listed below.

april 17th 2021 .028

november 7th 2022 .0366 au

after 2022 I couldn't find a single date it came anywhere near us. So why are they falsely projecting a concern for the future? Could there be concern now?

Why is President Obama issuing a National Emergency broadcast on the very date this thing is flying by? Could there be debris entering our atmosphere? This thing is going right through the earths magnetosphere folks. I'm not a doomer, but this definitely looks like something we should be really looking at.
 Quoting: zaphryn


I have OFTEN asked myself how in the world can this asteroid be so round and smooth?





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