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yes, it seems to make more sense efficiency wise for sheathing to be a combination lubricate and very thin tissue material. it would also be advantageous for that same sheathing to assist in transmitting impulses.

to have a structure that's only purpose is singular, seem contrary to the interconnective nature of the brain! lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71602345


The white matter seems more to function as allocating where impulses go. How much and where. Maybe because females have more white matter, we can keep several ideas in our heads at once, while males having more gray matter and less white which streamlines the process to specific areas, causing better focus.

A break down in the myelin causes the impulse signal to not reach the gray matter where it can be processed and such people begin to lose function. Often motor function first. Then as it progresses..everything. It slowly shuts the body down since the white matter can't communicate with the gray matter.

That's what I've gleaned so far.
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Thought I would add, in case anyone is not familiar with Lorenzo's Oil.

Medical response

Though the film seemed to accurately portray the events related to the boy's condition and his parents' efforts during the time period covered by the film, it was criticized for painting a picture of a miracle cure. Subsequent research with Lorenzo's oil has not clearly proven its long-term effectiveness in treating ALD after its onset, but the oil is highly effective if provided before onset. The actual subject of the film, Lorenzo Odone, died of pneumonia in May 2008 at the age of 30, having lived two decades longer than originally predicted by doctors.

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Lorenzo’s Oil is a combination of a 4:1 mix of oleic acid and erucic acid, extracted from rapeseed oil and olive oil designed to normalize the accumulation of the very long chain fatty acids in the brain thereby halting the progression of adrenoleukodystrophy (ALD).


How it Works

The oil, if started early in boys with adrenoleukodystrophy (ALD) showing no symptoms, is now known to have some benefit in preventing the childhood cerebral form of adrenoleukodystrophy. Researchers are still trying to understand the complex relationships among fats in the body, and how Lorenzo’s oil could be further modified to be more effective. The oil is designed to normalize the accumulation of the very long chain fatty acids in the brain that thereby halting the progression of ALD.

Lorenzo’s Oil is specific to ALD, does not repair myelin, and does not have any known effect on other demyelinating disorders, such as Multiple Sclerosis. In ALD pre-symptomatic boys, however, Lorenzo’s Oil can (but not always) slow down the onset of the disease by stopping the body from producing the very long chain fatty acids, whose buildup leads to demyelination.

[link to myelin.org]
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edit: lol

seer, ms is a breakdown of the connective sheathing in the body. has any of your research pointed to this deterioration beginning in the brain? lol
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I guess I just always assumed it was in the brain. I'm more thinking in regard to demyelination. Loss of sheath to the motor cortex? Like severing a spinal cord. Maybe not all the way, but partially.
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ms, as far as i'm aware of, is the actual deterioration of the nerve sheathing in the body. just curious as to its possible origins! lol
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I was just reading about that. It occurs in the central nervous system and nerve fibers.

Right now the reigning theory in regard to the cause of MS, seems to be a person's distance from the Equator. I.E. Sunlight. I.E. Vitamin D.



What Causes MS?

In multiple sclerosis, damage to the myelin in the central nervous system (CNS) — and to the nerve fibers themselves — interferes with the transmission of nerve signals between the brain and spinal cord and other parts of the body.


Environmental Factors

Studies have shown that people born in an area with a high risk of MS who then move — or migrate — to an area with a lower risk before the age of 15 assume the risk of their new area. Such data suggest that exposure to some environmental agent before puberty may predispose a person to develop MS later on.

Growing evidence suggests that vitamin D plays an important role. People who live closer to the equator are exposed to greater amounts of sunlight year-round. As a result, they tend to have higher levels of naturally-produced vitamin D, which is thought to support the immune function and may help protect against immune-mediated diseases like MS. The possible relationship between MS and sunlight exposure is currently being looked at in a Society-funded epidemiological study in Australia.

[link to www.nationalmssociety.org]
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it seems to me that vitamin d may well play a part. but it may not be the lack of vitamin d but the bodies inability to properly absorb excessive amounts. this would be lead to a toxicity state, Hypervitaminosis D. one of Hypervitaminosis D symptoms is metastatic calcification of the soft tissues, this seems to me a possible degenerative precursor of one's nerve sheathing.

causcasians due to there low melanoma output may be at particular risk.

it was interesting to note that young children moving to areas of low ms concentration were likely to adopt a lower risk of ms. of course the areas of low risk were not defined! lol
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Low risk=closer to Equator=more Sunlight=vitamin D


So here is a thought. ALD is the accumulation of long chain fatty acids that build up, and destroy the myelin.

Long chain fatty acids come from foods like cheese. Which most often comes from cows. Vitamin D is rather quickly available in milk, that many Caucasian children over the decades in America drink on the regular, unless an allergy is detected, starting quite young. At the preschool I worked at all the toddlers were served Whole Milk until the were 3.5 y/o.

As children grow, the milk may substitute the lack of sunlight being farther from the Equator. And as kids reach closer and closer to puberty, milk drinking becomes less and less common, leading to deficiency in vitamin D, being location is same(low sunlight), an no longer being made up for, with milk.

It would explain why those who change locations suddenly take on the low risk aspect.

hmm
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In Lorenzo's Oil it starts with him as a boy, I think in Africa. Lots of Sun. Shirt off playing with the other boys. Flying a kite.

Then he moves to America with his parents, which shows snow during the Winter, indicating a much less sunny climate.

hmm
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possible, but vitamin d production can be directly correlate to melanoma. darker children living closer to the equator don't appear to share the same risk as cacausian children. was it stated that the study was done on the general population or a high risk population?

milk as a caustic agent for certain genetic groups cannot be discounted. \

the problem with an analytical approach is that factors are more than likely to be to be delineated from the whole one at a time. when multiple factors contribute to the onset of disease, a smoking gun correlation may not be evident by approaching factors one at a time! lol
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ALD is known to only effect boys. Lower white matter. Less flexibility.



Primary Progressive MS: Does Gender Matter?

Most forms of multiple sclerosis (MS) strike women twice as often as men.


The gender differences in this type of the disease seem to vary by age group. In the largest studies done so far, scientists kept tabs on hundreds of men and women with primary progressive MS for decades. They found:

Under age 30, equal numbers of men and women had the condition.
There were more women than men who got it after age 45.
Almost two women for each man were diagnosed with primary progressive MS after age 50 -- still short of the rates in other forms of MS.

This type of MS is also unique in how severe its symptoms are. MS in men is usually worse than in women. But large studies of primary progressive MS show:

Early on, the symptoms were just as severe and got worse just as fast for men as for women.
After about 20 years of living with primary progressive MS, men's disease finally began to "outrun" the women's in terms of how bad their symptoms were.


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idk but they do fortify milk with vitamin d, combines with sun exposure could create a toxic vitamin d cocktail for susceptible genetic victims! lol
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seer you think its vitamin deficiency, i think it is vitamin d toxicity! lol
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Interestingly, breast milk does not contain enough vitamin d, to help aid in healthy bone development in infants. Nursing mothers are urged to supplement, if the child is solely breastfed (formula contains vitamin d).
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idk but they do fortify milk with vitamin d, combines with sun exposure could create a toxic vitamin d cocktail for susceptible genetic victims! lol
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What Is a Long-Chain Fatty Acid?
Saturated Fatty Acids

Long-chain saturated fatty acids are chains of carbon atoms that are fully saturated with hydrogen atoms. This creates straight and rigid chains, making saturated fats solid at room temperature. Sources of saturated fats in the diet include beef, pork, lamb, cheese, whole or reduced-fat milk and dairy products, palm oil, and coconut oil.

[link to www.livestrong.com]


Is there a country close to the Equator that consumes cow milk on the regular that has higher/lower incident rates of MS?

hmm


Does India drink a lot of milk? I know there are African tribes that revere cows milk.

Yes, we love dairy products! Yogurt, buttermilk, butter, cheese, ice cream, kulfi... we eat them all. Indian cuisine contains alot of dairy, even our precious milky chai!

Beef is a huge no-no and its consumption is unthinkable.

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My moms is scorpio 62 of that year on paper.
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scorpio 62 here too
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Interestingly, breast milk does not contain enough vitamin d, to help aid in healthy bone development in infants. Nursing mothers are urged to supplement, if the child is solely breastfed (formula contains vitamin d).
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That is interesting.

Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids

Long-chain polyunsaturated fats are chains of carbon atoms with multiple double bonds. DHA and arachidonic acid -- ARA -- are the most abundant long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids in the brain. Infants can obtain DHA and ARA through breast milk or supplemented formula, while adults and children get them primarily from seafood and eggs.

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Interestingly, breast milk does not contain enough vitamin d, to help aid in healthy bone development in infants. Nursing mothers are urged to supplement, if the child is solely breastfed (formula contains vitamin d).
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That is interesting.

Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids

Long-chain polyunsaturated fats are chains of carbon atoms with multiple double bonds. DHA and arachidonic acid -- ARA -- are the most abundant long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids in the brain. Infants can obtain DHA and ARA through breast milk or supplemented formula, while adults and children get them primarily from seafood and eggs.

[link to www.livestrong.com]
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Yes. The fatty acids are the reason why breastfed infants perform better on tests that assess neurodevelopment. Also, women are urged to ingest foods high in DHA during pregnancy, to aid in healthy brain development of the fetus.

Coconut oil is another wonderful source of naturally occurring long chain fatty acids,
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I wonder if the incidence rates of MS went up after milk, butter and eggs...were damned by 'modern science' in the late 70's early 80's.


Butter was replaced by margarine in many homes. Soda and sugary juices, replaced milk.

And eggs were replaced by cereal and pop tarts.
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so it seems that ms could be associated with white brain matter in respects to sheathing issues. the slow deteriorating nature of ms may be an indication that outside conditions play an important role over time.

if ms is genetically predisposed, and influenced by a lifetime of environmental factors, it could explain late onset and a higher degree of onset by women than by men after a certain age, due to the higher volume of white matter in women's brains. maybe! lol
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it just the way i read the information provided by seer! lol
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what is clear is that men's brains do work differently, not better but different! lol
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so it seems that ms could be associated with white brain matter in respects to sheathing issues. the slow deteriorating nature of ms may be an indication that outside conditions play an important role over time.

if ms is genetically predisposed, and influenced by a lifetime of environmental factors, it could explain late onset and a higher degree of onset by women than by men after a certain age, due to the higher volume of white matter in women's brains. maybe! lol
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Saying because women have more white matter, they don't experience the symptoms as quick and can go longer, up to 2 decades, before diagnosis when compared to males who notice symptoms earlier. Yes. That makes sense to me.

Vitamin D and its role regarding, is still in question.
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I wonder if the incidence rates of MS went up after milk, butter and eggs...were damned by 'modern science' in the late 70's early 80's.


Butter was replaced by margarine in many homes. Soda and sugary juices, replaced milk.

And eggs were replaced by cereal and pop tarts.
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Yes, and margarine contains trans fatty acids, which are known to cause plaque buildup and narrowing blood vessels. They are also known to harm brain function.
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lol
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what is clear is that men's brains do work differently, not better but different! lol
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:) Yes. I guess when we get down to comparing brain matter, we really are different in the way we work.

Being gender is triggered in utero by I believe a hormone, I wonder if the changes to the brain start then or are gradual over time after birth, due environmental triggers and different fed hormones through out one's life.
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I wonder if the incidence rates of MS went up after milk, butter and eggs...were damned by 'modern science' in the late 70's early 80's.


Butter was replaced by margarine in many homes. Soda and sugary juices, replaced milk.

And eggs were replaced by cereal and pop tarts.
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Yes, and margarine contains trans fatty acids, which are known to cause plaque buildup and narrowing blood vessels. They are also known to harm brain function.
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Hmmm.
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Coward.
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Got something to say. let's hear it. or more veiled threats.
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chuckle



"lets see if this holds"

It never does.

Today was important for me. It was the day I was to make a choice.

That choice was to commit to something. Lets see how far this walk way goes. It ends in a double rainbow.
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So...where am I stuck?

I am stuck at, 'MS incidence worldwide and its correlation to distance from the Equator and prevalence of milk ingestion by said culture(s)'.

Yes.
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So...where am I stuck?

I am stuck at, 'MS incidence worldwide and its correlation to distance from the Equator and prevalence of milk ingestion by said culture(s)'.

Yes.
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Global Distribution of MS

[link to multiplesclerosis.net (secure)]


Equator

[link to upload.wikimedia.org (secure)]


Global Milk Consumption

[link to www.languagesoftheworld.info]


Fluid Milk consumption US comparison chart 1977-1978 2005-2006
[link to www.ars.usda.gov]
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So...where am I stuck?

I am stuck at, 'MS incidence worldwide and its correlation to distance from the Equator and prevalence of milk ingestion by said culture(s)'.

Yes.
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Global Distribution of MS

[link to multiplesclerosis.net (secure)]


Equator

[link to upload.wikimedia.org (secure)]


Global Milk Consumption

[link to www.languagesoftheworld.info]


Fluid Milk consumption US comparison chart 1977-1978 2005-2006
[link to www.ars.usda.gov]
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Sweden/Finland drink a lot of milk in the comparison map above.

Also has the highest rate of MS besides the UK.
[link to www.mult-sclerosis.org]


UK: 143.8 per 100,000

Sweden: 134.8 per 100,000

Canada: 111 per 100,000


Finland being next to Sweden still shows a high rate of MS but markedly lower than Sweden, while consuming similar levels of milk.

Finland: 98 per 100,000

USA: 91.7 per 100,000

Zimbabwe: .45 per 100,000
<---that is less than 1/2 of a person.
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seer you think its vitamin deficiency, i think it is vitamin d toxicity! lol
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You might be right. Looking at the MS map, there does seem to be a correlation between high milk diet and MS rates and distance from the Equator.
[link to www.languagesoftheworld.info]


Why Finland's MS rate is so much lower than Sweden, is interesting to me and I wonder what the difference in the sunshine levels, in those two countries are.

Perhaps looking at the metropolitan areas of Finland/Sweden might give a clue to what the majority of those people experience on a day to day basis.


It appears Russians drink the same amount of milk as Canadians but have higher rates of MS.

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They put the wrong d in milk
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the finns reportedly have a very bleak outlook on life, they have an extremely high suicide rate.

seer, we had fun, but cut it loose! and don't go all anxiety ridden or depressive about it! you'll give yourself a tumor! lol

OK? ok! lol
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women! geesh! lol
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They put the wrong d in milk
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I wonder if the Finish eat more fatty fish than the Swedes...

Very few foods naturally contain vitamin D. Fatty fish, like swordfish, salmon and tuna provide 556, 447 and 154 international units, respectively, in a 3-ounce serving. Egg yolk contains vitamin D, and eating one egg provides 41 international units. Because the liver stores vitamin D, eating 3 ounces of beef liver provides 42 international units.

Milk fat, found in whole milk but absent from skim milk, naturally contains trace amounts of vitamin D depending on the producing animal’s food intake and sun exposure.

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the finns reportedly have a very bleak outlook on life, they have an extremely high suicide rate.

seer, we had fun, but cut it loose! and don't go all anxiety ridden or depressive about it! you'll give yourself a tumor! lol

OK? ok! lol
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It was fun. :)

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