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The Events of 9/11 From a Professional Pilot's point of view

 
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The planes were CGI.

I'm afraid I'm useless at keeping track of links, so I can't point you to the evidence. But I can tell you there's a video taken from a helicopter that show the towers at a wide angle, then zooms in, and then the plane enters the frame and hits the tower. The thing is, there was no plane in the zoomed out part of the clip, which it would have to be if the plane was real!

Another thing is that a lot of people who were there report that they didn't see the planes personally, but someone nearby yelled out "OMG, a plane just hit the tower!" or something like that. Seems they had hired people to plant the idea so people would think they saw it, or at least not question those who say they did.
 Quoting: The Monk


pretty cheap theory to be honest. Aren't you aware how many thousands of eyes were fixed on these towers as soon the initial smoke became visible to the public? The 2nd plane hit after that.

I'm not saying that I believe everything I see on tv let alone news channels but there were more than enough eye witnesses around that day. Why would they lie to us?
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Thank you for your report. On 9/11/01 - I was employed in (Human Resources) - for a major financial institution, (located in many Metropolitan US cities).

Since I was in "HR" - we were required to go to work, and build an intranet site, (for employees and their families impacted by the disaster).

Oddly, none of our "management staff" were actually at work (in our multiple twin tower locations) that morning! They were either "on vacation," "sick," or "late for work." Very mysterious - huh?

We could have lost 30, and we did not lose 1. I knew then it was an inside job, and it helped me be LESS afraid (in other words, I knew our entire country was not under attack).

I stayed at work, (until military aircraft started flying pretty low - in between buildings) I was in a San Francisco, Bay Area location, in a skyscraper - 36th floor.

We all got pretty rattled, and locked up early. I had some interesting conversations with strangers on public transit - on my way home.

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I have wondered why considering the fact that many of the tourists in new york that day had cameras, why even after all these years NOT ONE picture of any plane that that is not something taken off the tv screen or presentation has surfaced.
the same strange disappearance of all the security cameras of anywhere near the pentagon.

something smells in Denmark!!
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I have wondered why considering the fact that many of the tourists in new york that day had cameras, why even after all these years NOT ONE picture of any plane that that is not something taken off the tv screen or presentation has surfaced.
the same strange disappearance of all the security cameras of anywhere near the pentagon.

something smells in Denmark!!
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Have you been to Manhattan?
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The planes were CGI.

I'm afraid I'm useless at keeping track of links, so I can't point you to the evidence. But I can tell you there's a video taken from a helicopter that show the towers at a wide angle, then zooms in, and then the plane enters the frame and hits the tower. The thing is, there was no plane in the zoomed out part of the clip, which it would have to be if the plane was real!

Another thing is that a lot of people who were there report that they didn't see the planes personally, but someone nearby yelled out "OMG, a plane just hit the tower!" or something like that. Seems they had hired people to plant the idea so people would think they saw it, or at least not question those who say they did.
 Quoting: The Monk


Yeah, there isn't a plane in the wide angle shot. It doesn't appear until the zoom in~~~

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

go to about the 4:20 mark in this one for more elaboration:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Fruity Pebbles


Actually if you look closely at that first clip you can see the plane enter the shot just as he starts to zoom in at :10 slow it down to .25

I'm not convinced the planes were CGI, I'm open to the possibility though as some of the evidence does indicate fakery.

But I am convinced there was no plane at the Pentagon, or Shanksville. I'm also convinced that 7 WTC was a controlled demolition (probably the towers too).

dynamite

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As some of my GLP family knows I have been a commercial pilot for 30 years now. I have been in aviation management for 25 of those years.

In 2001, I was Chief Pilot and Check Airman for a small charter airline (5 B737 aircraft) based in the western US. In September of that year I had just hired a new class of 8 pilots and, having already trained them in their basic indoc and ground portion of the airline training syllabus, had flown them to Phoenix for their simulator training.

On the morning of Sep 11th I was in the middle of training session 3 with an upgrading Captain and a new-hire First Officer. We had come out of the simulator for our mid-session break to piss, have a cup of coffee and swap seats when we saw the pilots that were training in the other simulator (who were also on their break) huddled around a TV set in the briefing room. One of the pilots turned around and, with a solemn look, told us that an airplane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Behind him on the TV was the smoking tower with a frantic commentator rambling about whether or not it was terrorism.

I won't bore you with the rest of the details, but suffice it to say that I knew that there would not be any new class of pilots hired. They knew it too.

Because I (the airline) had already paid for the simulator time, and there was no way to fly everyone back home because all the air traffic was grounded, I decided to continue their training sessions for the rest of that week. I would then sign off their training and immediately furlough them - eventually hiring most of them back months later.

The next day as we were finishing up the 4 hour simulator session #4, I positioned the aircraft virtually on the runway at Boston Logan airport. I told the crew that we were going to try an experiment. I asked the more experienced of the two; the upgrading captain, to take off, fly to New York City and hit one of the towers. This was a very well-qualified upgrading pilot that had thousands of flight hours and hundreds in the right seat of a 737.

He took off and visually made his way to NY for the roughly 30 minute flight. In order not to waste time, I put the simulator on double-speed during the cruise portion. He then identified the twin towers - they are not hard to see - and headed straight for them...

AND HE MISSED! He muttered something about how hard it was to line up on them and asked me to back him up so he could try again. And AGAIN he MISSED! After several attempts, he was able to hit one of them by slowing way down to almost landing speed - flaps and gear down.

I subsequently tried the same exercise with all of the pilots and they all had trouble hitting such a narrow target at high speed. The new pilots didn't even come close. When they slowed way down, they were more successful but still commented on how challenging it was.

Now, bear in mind, these were very experienced professional pilots.

So tell me how did a bunch of Arabs with very little training perform such a feat? We all knew then that we were not being told the truth about the events of that day!

I have since told this story to many people. I have had several radio interviews about my experience and help found Pilots for 911 Truth. Below is one of the interviews I gave a couple years later.

Capt Dan


 Quoting: Capt Dan


You people are idiots. Hitting the twin towers would have been no problem...they were massive and nearly a city block wide each. Either the OP is making up this story (most likely) or the 'simulator' used had wildly inaccurate representations of the twin towers which in reality were several airline widths wide and would be easy for even a child to hit, let alone an adult. Nice try though op...you're just another lying nutjob.
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CaptDan, you remind me of a talk I had with a gentleman recently beside a lake.
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The planes were CGI.

I'm afraid I'm useless at keeping track of links, so I can't point you to the evidence. But I can tell you there's a video taken from a helicopter that show the towers at a wide angle, then zooms in, and then the plane enters the frame and hits the tower. The thing is, there was no plane in the zoomed out part of the clip, which it would have to be if the plane was real!

Another thing is that a lot of people who were there report that they didn't see the planes personally, but someone nearby yelled out "OMG, a plane just hit the tower!" or something like that. Seems they had hired people to plant the idea so people would think they saw it, or at least not question those who say they did.
 Quoting: The Monk


Yeah, there isn't a plane in the wide angle shot. It doesn't appear until the zoom in~~~

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

go to about the 4:20 mark in this one for more elaboration:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Fruity Pebbles


Actually if you look closely at that first clip you can see the plane enter the shot just as he starts to zoom in at :10 slow it down to .25

I'm not convinced the planes were CGI, I'm open to the possibility though as some of the evidence does indicate fakery.

But I am convinced there was no plane at the Pentagon, or Shanksville. I'm also convinced that 7 WTC was a controlled demolition (probably the towers too).

dynamite
 Quoting: C.K. Dexter Haven


Logically, if there were no planes at Shanksville or the Pentagon and they lied about those, why would it not logically follow that they lied about the WTC planes?
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Thank you for your report. On 9/11/01 - I was employed in (Human Resources) - for a major financial institution, (located in many Metropolitan US cities).

Since I was in "HR" - we were required to go to work, and build an intranet site, (for employees and their families impacted by the disaster).

Oddly, none of our "management staff" were actually at work (in our multiple twin tower locations) that morning! They were either "on vacation," "sick," or "late for work." Very mysterious - huh?

We could have lost 30, and we did not lose 1. I knew then it was an inside job, and it helped me be LESS afraid (in other words, I knew our entire country was not under attack).

I stayed at work, (until military aircraft started flying pretty low - in between buildings) I was in a San Francisco, Bay Area location, in a skyscraper - 36th floor.

We all got pretty rattled, and locked up early. I had some interesting conversations with strangers on public transit - on my way home.
 Quoting: ruser


Very interesting, thanks for sharing that. I have a strong feeling that absolutely no one died on 9/11. There are no videos anywhere near the towers when they fall.
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As some of my GLP family knows I have been a commercial pilot for 30 years now. I have been in aviation management for 25 of those years.

In 2001, I was Chief Pilot and Check Airman for a small charter airline (5 B737 aircraft) based in the western US. In September of that year I had just hired a new class of 8 pilots and, having already trained them in their basic indoc and ground portion of the airline training syllabus, had flown them to Phoenix for their simulator training.

On the morning of Sep 11th I was in the middle of training session 3 with an upgrading Captain and a new-hire First Officer. We had come out of the simulator for our mid-session break to piss, have a cup of coffee and swap seats when we saw the pilots that were training in the other simulator (who were also on their break) huddled around a TV set in the briefing room. One of the pilots turned around and, with a solemn look, told us that an airplane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Behind him on the TV was the smoking tower with a frantic commentator rambling about whether or not it was terrorism.

I won't bore you with the rest of the details, but suffice it to say that I knew that there would not be any new class of pilots hired. They knew it too.

Because I (the airline) had already paid for the simulator time, and there was no way to fly everyone back home because all the air traffic was grounded, I decided to continue their training sessions for the rest of that week. I would then sign off their training and immediately furlough them - eventually hiring most of them back months later.

The next day as we were finishing up the 4 hour simulator session #4, I positioned the aircraft virtually on the runway at Boston Logan airport. I told the crew that we were going to try an experiment. I asked the more experienced of the two; the upgrading captain, to take off, fly to New York City and hit one of the towers. This was a very well-qualified upgrading pilot that had thousands of flight hours and hundreds in the right seat of a 737.

He took off and visually made his way to NY for the roughly 30 minute flight. In order not to waste time, I put the simulator on double-speed during the cruise portion. He then identified the twin towers - they are not hard to see - and headed straight for them...

AND HE MISSED! He muttered something about how hard it was to line up on them and asked me to back him up so he could try again. And AGAIN he MISSED! After several attempts, he was able to hit one of them by slowing way down to almost landing speed - flaps and gear down.

I subsequently tried the same exercise with all of the pilots and they all had trouble hitting such a narrow target at high speed. The new pilots didn't even come close. When they slowed way down, they were more successful but still commented on how challenging it was.

Now, bear in mind, these were very experienced professional pilots.

So tell me how did a bunch of Arabs with very little training perform such a feat? We all knew then that we were not being told the truth about the events of that day!

I have since told this story to many people. I have had several radio interviews about my experience and help found Pilots for 911 Truth. Below is one of the interviews I gave a couple years later.

Capt Dan


 Quoting: Capt Dan


I'm not a Computer Graphics expert, but from all the variables of 9/11, I fully believe the planes were CGI. Them showing an intact aluminum plane nose traveling completely through the steel tower was a smack in the face giveaway to anyone picking through all of the bs claims.
 Quoting: Thoseaintcontrails


Exactly !!

All fuselage, engines ,etc should have crashed outside the building and falling down to street.
A plane crossing completely trough the building was a joke for sheepeople.
It was physically impossible
It was a good hologram to fool us .
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I'm with you all except for holograms. They are too stupid to make believable CGI planes, I highly doubt they are smart enough to make hologram planes.
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As some of my GLP family knows I have been a commercial pilot for 30 years now. I have been in aviation management for 25 of those years.

In 2001, I was Chief Pilot and Check Airman for a small charter airline (5 B737 aircraft) based in the western US. In September of that year I had just hired a new class of 8 pilots and, having already trained them in their basic indoc and ground portion of the airline training syllabus, had flown them to Phoenix for their simulator training.

On the morning of Sep 11th I was in the middle of training session 3 with an upgrading Captain and a new-hire First Officer. We had come out of the simulator for our mid-session break to piss, have a cup of coffee and swap seats when we saw the pilots that were training in the other simulator (who were also on their break) huddled around a TV set in the briefing room. One of the pilots turned around and, with a solemn look, told us that an airplane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Behind him on the TV was the smoking tower with a frantic commentator rambling about whether or not it was terrorism.

I won't bore you with the rest of the details, but suffice it to say that I knew that there would not be any new class of pilots hired. They knew it too.

Because I (the airline) had already paid for the simulator time, and there was no way to fly everyone back home because all the air traffic was grounded, I decided to continue their training sessions for the rest of that week. I would then sign off their training and immediately furlough them - eventually hiring most of them back months later.

The next day as we were finishing up the 4 hour simulator session #4, I positioned the aircraft virtually on the runway at Boston Logan airport. I told the crew that we were going to try an experiment. I asked the more experienced of the two; the upgrading captain, to take off, fly to New York City and hit one of the towers. This was a very well-qualified upgrading pilot that had thousands of flight hours and hundreds in the right seat of a 737.

He took off and visually made his way to NY for the roughly 30 minute flight. In order not to waste time, I put the simulator on double-speed during the cruise portion. He then identified the twin towers - they are not hard to see - and headed straight for them...

AND HE MISSED! He muttered something about how hard it was to line up on them and asked me to back him up so he could try again. And AGAIN he MISSED! After several attempts, he was able to hit one of them by slowing way down to almost landing speed - flaps and gear down.

I subsequently tried the same exercise with all of the pilots and they all had trouble hitting such a narrow target at high speed. The new pilots didn't even come close. When they slowed way down, they were more successful but still commented on how challenging it was.

Now, bear in mind, these were very experienced professional pilots.

So tell me how did a bunch of Arabs with very little training perform such a feat? We all knew then that we were not being told the truth about the events of that day!

I have since told this story to many people. I have had several radio interviews about my experience and help found Pilots for 911 Truth. Below is one of the interviews I gave a couple years later.

Capt Dan


 Quoting: Capt Dan


You people are idiots. Hitting the twin towers would have been no problem...they were massive and nearly a city block wide each. Either the OP is making up this story (most likely) or the 'simulator' used had wildly inaccurate representations of the twin towers which in reality were several airline widths wide and would be easy for even a child to hit, let alone an adult. Nice try though op...you're just another lying nutjob.
 Quoting: Babyfacemagee


I agree, I've been a long time gamer and simulator player and often times scaling is way off or the controls aren't accurate to reality.

Those two planes could have been modified to be able to withstand those speeds as well. All they could need is an engineer and someone to machine and assemble the parts.
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The planes were CGI.

I'm afraid I'm useless at keeping track of links, so I can't point you to the evidence. But I can tell you there's a video taken from a helicopter that show the towers at a wide angle, then zooms in, and then the plane enters the frame and hits the tower. The thing is, there was no plane in the zoomed out part of the clip, which it would have to be if the plane was real!

Another thing is that a lot of people who were there report that they didn't see the planes personally, but someone nearby yelled out "OMG, a plane just hit the tower!" or something like that. Seems they had hired people to plant the idea so people would think they saw it, or at least not question those who say they did.
 Quoting: The Monk


pretty cheap theory to be honest. Aren't you aware how many thousands of eyes were fixed on these towers as soon the initial smoke became visible to the public? The 2nd plane hit after that.

I'm not saying that I believe everything I see on tv let alone news channels but there were more than enough eye witnesses around that day. Why would they lie to us?
 Quoting: Guesswhoitis


It doesn't matter what anyone claims to see or how large the number of witnesses there were. There are definitely not hundreds or thousands on video that claim to have seen planes in person. These were some of the closest people to the tower and may be some of the only witnesses that aren't crisis actors.


Skip to 5:45
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I can't find the original video, it seems to have been deleted. The audio sounds fake as fuck like it's recorded afterwards over the video. No wonder they probably deleted this video.
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Shorter version. Audio sounds like he has a megaphone and played after the video was recorded.
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14:34 Reporter speculates that people saw a possible missile hit. Look at the straight line on the tower. No way a plane strike makes a straight like across the length of the tower. Plane nose out the tower at 14:54.
Lots of fuckery

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I have also flown commercial from 1979 until 2015. and how do your pilots make the threshold of the runway if they can't hit a building. You must have some very poor pilots. That being said it may still be very difficult for a novice to do it, but on the other hand a blind squirrel even gets a nut now and then
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man, listen to what Capt Dan said. The 9/11 planes were hauling ass, and hitting the towers when hauling ass is just about impossible. You don't land a plane hauling ass, you slow way the f down.
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14:34 Reporter speculates that people saw a possible missile hit. Look at the straight line on the tower. No way a plane strike makes a straight like across the length of the tower. Plane nose out the tower at 14:54.
Lots of fuckery
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Fuckery aplenty. And at a time when military spending was being cut and bases were being closed. Not after the fuckery, however.

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14:34 Reporter speculates that people saw a possible missile hit. Look at the straight line on the tower. No way a plane strike makes a straight like across the length of the tower. Plane nose out the tower at 14:54.
Lots of fuckery
 Quoting: Thoseaintcontrails


Fuckery aplenty. And at a time when military spending was being cut and bases were being closed. Not after the fuckery, however.

If there's no boogieman, invent one.
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Exactly. Kill and blame all the shit on mooslums living in huts to pass regulations to spy and control all of us Muricans. Kill em all and steal the oil.
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Trump claimed to have lost “hundreds and hundreds” of friends on 9/11. Then he amended it to a few. Truth is, he lost zero friends. He attended zero 9/11 funerals. If he’ll lie about something this sacred and solemn, what won’t he lie about?
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Trump claimed to have lost “hundreds and hundreds” of friends on 9/11. Then he amended it to a few. Truth is, he lost zero friends. He attended zero 9/11 funerals. If he’ll lie about something this sacred and solemn, what won’t he lie about?
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All fuckery putting up politicians for puppet control. There is no conservative or liberal, just division so there is chaos that requires government control.
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The planes were CGI.

I'm afraid I'm useless at keeping track of links, so I can't point you to the evidence. But I can tell you there's a video taken from a helicopter that show the towers at a wide angle, then zooms in, and then the plane enters the frame and hits the tower. The thing is, there was no plane in the zoomed out part of the clip, which it would have to be if the plane was real!

Another thing is that a lot of people who were there report that they didn't see the planes personally, but someone nearby yelled out "OMG, a plane just hit the tower!" or something like that. Seems they had hired people to plant the idea so people would think they saw it, or at least not question those who say they did.
 Quoting: The Monk


Yeah, there isn't a plane in the wide angle shot. It doesn't appear until the zoom in~~~

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

go to about the 4:20 mark in this one for more elaboration:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Fruity Pebbles


Actually if you look closely at that first clip you can see the plane enter the shot just as he starts to zoom in at :10 slow it down to .25

I'm not convinced the planes were CGI, I'm open to the possibility though as some of the evidence does indicate fakery.

But I am convinced there was no plane at the Pentagon, or Shanksville. I'm also convinced that 7 WTC was a controlled demolition (probably the towers too).

dynamite
 Quoting: C.K. Dexter Haven


Logically, if there were no planes at Shanksville or the Pentagon and they lied about those, why would it not logically follow that they lied about the WTC planes?
 Quoting: Thoseaintcontrails


Like I said, I'm open to the possibility. Here is the best evidence of video fakery I've seen.


[link to youtu.be (secure)]

Part 2


[link to youtu.be (secure)]

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I subsequently tried the same exercise with all of the pilots and they all had trouble hitting such a narrow target at high speed. The new pilots didn't even come close. When they slowed way down, they were more successful but still commented on how challenging it was.

Now, bear in mind, these were very experienced professional pilots.

So tell me how did a bunch of Arabs with very little training perform such a feat? We all knew then that we were not being told the truth about the events of that day!

I have since told this story to many people. I have had several radio interviews about my experience and help found Pilots for 911 Truth. Below is one of the interviews I gave a couple years later.

Capt Dan


 Quoting: Capt Dan


American public > lala

It was most likely remote controlled or auto-piloted planes with a homing beacon on the towers to guide them in.

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Trump claimed to have lost “hundreds and hundreds” of friends on 9/11. Then he amended it to a few. Truth is, he lost zero friends. He attended zero 9/11 funerals. If he’ll lie about something this sacred and solemn, what won’t he lie about?
 Quoting: LiteaFart


I think he exaggerates like everybody does. Part of the reason he is so hated on one side, but loved on the other.
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Most new pilots can land on a narrow strip but experienced pilots can't hit a building. And are also taught early on how to tell if an object is above or below you.

You did take into account that these guys had simulator time.

But fine, it was all projections, explosives and magic and Islam is truly an all encompassing civilization of peace.

Praise Allah and his last and final messenger.
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Clearly Spoken by someone who's never been a pilot.
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Re: The Events of 9/11 From a Professional Pilot's point of view
As some of my GLP family knows I have been a commercial pilot for 30 years now. I have been in aviation management for 25 of those years.

In 2001, I was Chief Pilot and Check Airman for a small charter airline (5 B737 aircraft) based in the western US. In September of that year I had just hired a new class of 8 pilots and, having already trained them in their basic indoc and ground portion of the airline training syllabus, had flown them to Phoenix for their simulator training.

On the morning of Sep 11th I was in the middle of training session 3 with an upgrading Captain and a new-hire First Officer. We had come out of the simulator for our mid-session break to piss, have a cup of coffee and swap seats when we saw the pilots that were training in the other simulator (who were also on their break) huddled around a TV set in the briefing room. One of the pilots turned around and, with a solemn look, told us that an airplane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Behind him on the TV was the smoking tower with a frantic commentator rambling about whether or not it was terrorism.

I won't bore you with the rest of the details, but suffice it to say that I knew that there would not be any new class of pilots hired. They knew it too.

Because I (the airline) had already paid for the simulator time, and there was no way to fly everyone back home because all the air traffic was grounded, I decided to continue their training sessions for the rest of that week. I would then sign off their training and immediately furlough them - eventually hiring most of them back months later.

The next day as we were finishing up the 4 hour simulator session #4, I positioned the aircraft virtually on the runway at Boston Logan airport. I told the crew that we were going to try an experiment. I asked the more experienced of the two; the upgrading captain, to take off, fly to New York City and hit one of the towers. This was a very well-qualified upgrading pilot that had thousands of flight hours and hundreds in the right seat of a 737.

He took off and visually made his way to NY for the roughly 30 minute flight. In order not to waste time, I put the simulator on double-speed during the cruise portion. He then identified the twin towers - they are not hard to see - and headed straight for them...

AND HE MISSED! He muttered something about how hard it was to line up on them and asked me to back him up so he could try again. And AGAIN he MISSED! After several attempts, he was able to hit one of them by slowing way down to almost landing speed - flaps and gear down.

I subsequently tried the same exercise with all of the pilots and they all had trouble hitting such a narrow target at high speed. The new pilots didn't even come close. When they slowed way down, they were more successful but still commented on how challenging it was.

Now, bear in mind, these were very experienced professional pilots.

So tell me how did a bunch of Arabs with very little training perform such a feat? We all knew then that we were not being told the truth about the events of that day!

I have since told this story to many people. I have had several radio interviews about my experience and help found Pilots for 911 Truth. Below is one of the interviews I gave a couple years later.

Capt Dan


 Quoting: Capt Dan


You people are idiots. Hitting the twin towers would have been no problem...they were massive and nearly a city block wide each. Either the OP is making up this story (most likely) or the 'simulator' used had wildly inaccurate representations of the twin towers which in reality were several airline widths wide and would be easy for even a child to hit, let alone an adult. Nice try though op...you're just another lying nutjob.
 Quoting: Babyfacemagee




Now here's another idiot that doesn't know anything, but he still has an opinion based on NOTHING whatsoever.
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I subsequently tried the same exercise with all of the pilots and they all had trouble hitting such a narrow target at high speed. The new pilots didn't even come close. When they slowed way down, they were more successful but still commented on how challenging it was.

Now, bear in mind, these were very experienced professional pilots.

So tell me how did a bunch of Arabs with very little training perform such a feat? We all knew then that we were not being told the truth about the events of that day!

I have since told this story to many people. I have had several radio interviews about my experience and help found Pilots for 911 Truth. Below is one of the interviews I gave a couple years later.

Capt Dan


 Quoting: Capt Dan


American public > lala

It was most likely remote controlled or auto-piloted planes with a homing beacon on the towers to guide them in.
 Quoting: W.C. Fields


Misinfo. Where were these drone planes at Shanksville and the Pentagon? It was most likely no planes at all.
DFDoe

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09/13/2018 10:11 AM
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Re: The Events of 9/11 From a Professional Pilot's point of view
As some of my GLP family knows I have been a commercial pilot for 30 years now. I have been in aviation management for 25 of those years.

In 2001, I was Chief Pilot and Check Airman for a small charter airline (5 B737 aircraft) based in the western US. In September of that year I had just hired a new class of 8 pilots and, having already trained them in their basic indoc and ground portion of the airline training syllabus, had flown them to Phoenix for their simulator training.

On the morning of Sep 11th I was in the middle of training session 3 with an upgrading Captain and a new-hire First Officer. We had come out of the simulator for our mid-session break to piss, have a cup of coffee and swap seats when we saw the pilots that were training in the other simulator (who were also on their break) huddled around a TV set in the briefing room. One of the pilots turned around and, with a solemn look, told us that an airplane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Behind him on the TV was the smoking tower with a frantic commentator rambling about whether or not it was terrorism.

I won't bore you with the rest of the details, but suffice it to say that I knew that there would not be any new class of pilots hired. They knew it too.

Because I (the airline) had already paid for the simulator time, and there was no way to fly everyone back home because all the air traffic was grounded, I decided to continue their training sessions for the rest of that week. I would then sign off their training and immediately furlough them - eventually hiring most of them back months later.

The next day as we were finishing up the 4 hour simulator session #4, I positioned the aircraft virtually on the runway at Boston Logan airport. I told the crew that we were going to try an experiment. I asked the more experienced of the two; the upgrading captain, to take off, fly to New York City and hit one of the towers. This was a very well-qualified upgrading pilot that had thousands of flight hours and hundreds in the right seat of a 737.

He took off and visually made his way to NY for the roughly 30 minute flight. In order not to waste time, I put the simulator on double-speed during the cruise portion. He then identified the twin towers - they are not hard to see - and headed straight for them...

AND HE MISSED! He muttered something about how hard it was to line up on them and asked me to back him up so he could try again. And AGAIN he MISSED! After several attempts, he was able to hit one of them by slowing way down to almost landing speed - flaps and gear down.

I subsequently tried the same exercise with all of the pilots and they all had trouble hitting such a narrow target at high speed. The new pilots didn't even come close. When they slowed way down, they were more successful but still commented on how challenging it was.

Now, bear in mind, these were very experienced professional pilots.

So tell me how did a bunch of Arabs with very little training perform such a feat? We all knew then that we were not being told the truth about the events of that day!

I have since told this story to many people. I have had several radio interviews about my experience and help found Pilots for 911 Truth. Below is one of the interviews I gave a couple years later.

Capt Dan


 Quoting: Capt Dan


You people are idiots. Hitting the twin towers would have been no problem...they were massive and nearly a city block wide each. Either the OP is making up this story (most likely) or the 'simulator' used had wildly inaccurate representations of the twin towers which in reality were several airline widths wide and would be easy for even a child to hit, let alone an adult. Nice try though op...you're just another lying nutjob.
 Quoting: Babyfacemagee


I agree, I've been a long time gamer and simulator player and often times scaling is way off or the controls aren't accurate to reality.

Those two planes could have been modified to be able to withstand those speeds as well. All they could need is an engineer and someone to machine and assemble the parts.
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LOL, oh man, the gamers believe they could do it. I'll tell ya something little man, there's a shitTON of difference between an airplane and a game in your Mommie's basement. Go back down there and let the adults talk.
DFDoe

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09/13/2018 10:13 AM
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Re: The Events of 9/11 From a Professional Pilot's point of view
I have also flown commercial from 1979 until 2015. and how do your pilots make the threshold of the runway if they can't hit a building. You must have some very poor pilots. That being said it may still be very difficult for a novice to do it, but on the other hand a blind squirrel even gets a nut now and then
 Quoting: Homie B Honeydick


man, listen to what Capt Dan said. The 9/11 planes were hauling ass, and hitting the towers when hauling ass is just about impossible. You don't land a plane hauling ass, you slow way the f down.
 Quoting: MrNatural


This dude is no pilot, never has been.
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09/13/2018 10:24 AM
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Re: The Events of 9/11 From a Professional Pilot's point of view
You people are idiots. Hitting the twin towers would have been no problem...they were massive and nearly a city block wide each. Either the OP is making up this story (most likely) or the 'simulator' used had wildly inaccurate representations of the twin towers which in reality were several airline widths wide and would be easy for even a child to hit, let alone an adult. Nice try though op...you're just another lying nutjob.
 Quoting: Babyfacemagee


You aren't the first to call me that! hahahf