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Jesus is THE HOLY SPIRIT.

 
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Nope.

Not blind to Jesus.

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Yes, you deny that Jesus, the Lord, is the Spirit; so your eyes remain covered:

2 Cor 3:16-17
…16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Ephesians 4:4,5
There is one Spirit, one Lord

ONE Spirit and ONE Lord: JESUS.


And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.

1 Cor 8:6

Amen?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106368


You are stuck in Pauline KJV ONLYISM - where the word "Lord" in the New Testament can cause problems from the original meaning in certain verses.

Here's 2 Hebrew / English translations...

2 Corinthians Hebraic Roots Bible [link to www.nazarite.net]

13 And not as "Moses, who put a veil over his face," for the sons of Israel not to look at the fullness of the glory of the thing not lasting. (Ex. 34:35)
14 But their minds were blinded; for to this day, when the Old Contract is read, the same veil remains, and it is not known to them that the veil has been removed through Messiah.
15 But even to this day, whenever the books of Moses are read, the veil lies upon their hearts.
16 Nevertheless, whenever a man turns to YAHWEH, the veil is taken away.
17 Now YAHWEH is that Spirit; and where the Spirit of YAHWEH is, there is freedom.
18 But we all with our face having been unveiled, see as in a mirror, the glory of YAHWEH, and we shall all be transformed into the same likeness, from one glory to another, just as the Spirit comes from YAHWEH.


Hebraic Roots Version [link to www.nazarite.net]

13 And not as Moshe who put a veil over his face so that the B'nai Yisra'el could not look on the consummation of that which was ended, (1622)
14 But they were blinded in their understanding. For until this day when the ancient Covenant is read, that veil rests upon them and it is not known that, in the Messiah it
ended. (1623)
15 And until this day when Moshe is read, a veil is put over their heart:
16 But when any man from them should turn to YHWH, the veil is lifted from him. (1624)
17 Now YHWH Himself is Spirit, and where the Spirit of YHWH [is], [there] is freedom.
18 But all of us, with open faces, behold the magnificence of YHWH as in a mirror: and we are being changed into that likeness, from glory (1625) to glory, as by YHWH, the Spirit.
I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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2 Corinthians 3:18
18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
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Spirit is a force that comes from God. It is not God nor Jesus.
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Jesus said when he left earth to go to heaven that a helper would be sent.
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John 14:16 “and he shall give you another Comforter [paraklētos], that he may abide with you for ever;”

John 14:26 “the Comforter [paraklētos], which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,”

John 15:26 “when the Comforter [paraklētos] is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father.”

John 16:7 “for if I go not away, the Comforter [paraklētos] will not come unto you;”

1 John 2:1 “if any man sin, we have an advocate (Comforter) [paraklētos] with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:”
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The helper/Comforter. ... = the parakletos. .. = Jesus
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Nope.

Not blind to Jesus.

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Yes, you deny that Jesus, the Lord, is the Spirit; so your eyes remain covered:

2 Cor 3:16-17
…16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Ephesians 4:4,5
There is one Spirit, one Lord

ONE Spirit and ONE Lord: JESUS.


And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.

1 Cor 8:6

Amen?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106368

...
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
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You are stuck in Pauline KJV ONLYISM - where the word "Lord" in the New Testament can cause problems from the original meaning in certain verses.

Here's 2 Hebrew / English translations...

2 Corinthians Hebraic Roots Bible [link to www.nazarite.net]

13 And not as "Moses, who put a veil over his face," for the sons of Israel not to look at the fullness of the glory of the thing not lasting. (Ex. 34:35)
14 But their minds were blinded; for to this day, when the Old Contract is read, the same veil remains, and it is not known to them that the veil has been removed through Messiah.
15 But even to this day, whenever the books of Moses are read, the veil lies upon their hearts.
16 Nevertheless, whenever a man turns to YAHWEH, the veil is taken away.
17 Now YAHWEH is that Spirit; and where the Spirit of YAHWEH is, there is freedom.
18 But we all with our face having been unveiled, see as in a mirror, the glory of YAHWEH, and we shall all be transformed into the same likeness, from one glory to another, just as the Spirit comes from YAHWEH.


Hebraic Roots Version [link to www.nazarite.net]

13 And not as Moshe who put a veil over his face so that the B'nai Yisra'el could not look on the consummation of that which was ended, (1622)
14 But they were blinded in their understanding. For until this day when the ancient Covenant is read, that veil rests upon them and it is not known that, in the Messiah it
ended. (1623)
15 And until this day when Moshe is read, a veil is put over their heart:
16 But when any man from them should turn to YHWH, the veil is lifted from him. (1624)
17 Now YHWH Himself is Spirit, and where the Spirit of YHWH [is], [there] is freedom.
18 But all of us, with open faces, behold the magnificence of YHWH as in a mirror: and we are being changed into that likeness, from glory (1625) to glory, as by YHWH, the Spirit.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106368


"Image" of God.

NOT God Himself - NOT the "original".

Looks like you're back to "Jesus IS God" again.

1doh1 another do

Jesus' glory comes from who? The Father!

John 17

1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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Rev. 2:23
I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
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Proverbs 20:27 - The spirit of man [is] the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly. Ecclesiastes 12:7 - Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Romans 8:16 - The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Job 33:4 4The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life


1Cor 15 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual.

Genesis 2:7
Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being

John 5:21
For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes

Jesus is our spirit!
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"Image" of God.

NOT God Himself -
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Ummm... you are seriously confused.

Your post is a Straw man.. I'm not even SAYING Jesus is God. He is the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4,5
There is one Spirit, one Lord

1 Cor 8:6
There is only one Lord: Jesus

2 Cor 3:17
The Lord is the Spirit.

Your problem, is that you believe in 2 Spirits; 2 Masters.


I have one Lord: Jesus

Why don't you?
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JOHN 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

How then are they one and the same? These are red letters not John speaking
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JOHN 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

How then are they one and the same? These are red letters not John speaking
 Quoting: incorrect 73328029


“But this spoke he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.”

John 7:39

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:18
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You are stuck in Pauline KJV ONLYISM - where the word "Lord" in the New Testament can cause problems from the original meaning in certain verses.

Here's 2 Hebrew / English translations...

2 Corinthians Hebraic Roots Bible [link to www.nazarite.net]

13 And not as "Moses, who put a veil over his face," for the sons of Israel not to look at the fullness of the glory of the thing not lasting. (Ex. 34:35)
14 But their minds were blinded; for to this day, when the Old Contract is read, the same veil remains, and it is not known to them that the veil has been removed through Messiah.
15 But even to this day, whenever the books of Moses are read, the veil lies upon their hearts.
16 Nevertheless, whenever a man turns to YAHWEH, the veil is taken away.
17 Now YAHWEH is that Spirit; and where the Spirit of YAHWEH is, there is freedom.
18 But we all with our face having been unveiled, see as in a mirror, the glory of YAHWEH, and we shall all be transformed into the same likeness, from one glory to another, just as the Spirit comes from YAHWEH.


Hebraic Roots Version [link to www.nazarite.net]

13 And not as Moshe who put a veil over his face so that the B'nai Yisra'el could not look on the consummation of that which was ended, (1622)
14 But they were blinded in their understanding. For until this day when the ancient Covenant is read, that veil rests upon them and it is not known that, in the Messiah it
ended. (1623)
15 And until this day when Moshe is read, a veil is put over their heart:
16 But when any man from them should turn to YHWH, the veil is lifted from him. (1624)
17 Now YHWH Himself is Spirit, and where the Spirit of YHWH [is], [there] is freedom.
18 But all of us, with open faces, behold the magnificence of YHWH as in a mirror: and we are being changed into that likeness, from glory (1625) to glory, as by YHWH, the Spirit.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106368


"Image" of God.

NOT God Himself - NOT the "original".

Looks like you're back to "Jesus IS God" again.

1doh1 another do

Jesus' glory comes from who? The Father!

John 17

1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


The tetragrammaton appears nowhere in the NT in the original greek, this is a total fail on your part, yahwehs name does not appear in the original NT. sorry, it appears in a 16th century translation by the Jehova nuttiness where jesus is in the desert and is tempted. but that was added by them
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The Quran teaches that Gabriel is the spirit of truth.

16:102 Say that

the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation

with the Truth step by step from your Lord, to strengthen the believers and as guidance and good news to the muslims.

2:97 Say [Prophet], ‘If anyone is an enemy of Gabriel- who by God’s leave brought down the Quran to your heart confirming previous scriptures as a guide and good news for the faithful-
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Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't.

When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise

Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time.
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The Quran teaches that Gabriel is the spirit of truth.

16:102 Say that

the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation

with the Truth step by step from your Lord, to strengthen the believers and as guidance and good news to the muslims.

2:97 Say [Prophet], ‘If anyone is an enemy of Gabriel- who by God’s leave brought down the Quran to your heart confirming previous scriptures as a guide and good news for the faithful-
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106368

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... [link to www.bing.com (secure)] ...
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... 4:30 minutes long ...
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... [link to www.bing.com (secure)] ...
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... 14:46 minutes ...
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Can't watch videos. Thanks for summarizing...
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John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

John 16:13
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

John 13:13
You call Me Teacher and Lord, and rightly so, because I am.


Nehemiah 9:20
Thou gavest also thy good spirit to instruct them, and withheldest not thy manna from their mouth, and gavest them water for their thirst.

Isaiah 63:14
like cattle that go down to the plain, they were given rest by the Spirit of the LORD. This is how you guided your people to make for yourself a glorious name.
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John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

John 16:13
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

John 13:13
You call Me Teacher and Lord, and rightly so, because I am.


Nehemiah 9:20
Thou gavest also thy good spirit to instruct them, and withheldest not thy manna from their mouth, and gavest them water for their thirst.

Isaiah 63:14
like cattle that go down to the plain, they were given rest by the Spirit of the LORD. This is how you guided your people to make for yourself a glorious name.
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Acts 8:29-31,35

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

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35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
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Matthew 28:20
lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age;

The Messiah is with us forever, not someone else.

Acts 18:10
For I am with you and no one will lay a hand on you, because I have many people in this city."

Romans 8:9
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
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Joseph disguised himself at first when dealing with his brothers to test them. The silver cup is the cup of the new testament. Josephs coat of many colors represents the Holy Spirit.
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Bump. : )
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Acts 16:7

...and after they came to Mysia, they were trying to go into Bithynia, and the Spirit of Jesus did not permit them;
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2 Cor 5:16


So then, from now on we do not think of anyone from a human point of view. Even if we did think of the Messiah from a human point of view, we don't think of him that way anymore.
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2 Corinthians 3:18
18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106368


Spirit is a force that comes from God. It is not God nor Jesus.
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Acts 8:29

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

Wrong. "Forces" don't speak.

Stick to using Biblical words please.
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John 10:11,16
I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Ezekiel 34:23
And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.

Rev 7:17
For the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd. He will lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.'"

Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
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Rev. 2:23
I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
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Proverbs 20:27 - The spirit of man [is] the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly. Ecclesiastes 12:7 - Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Romans 8:16 - The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Job 33:4 4The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life


1Cor 15 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual.

Genesis 2:7
Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being

John 5:21
For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes

Jesus is our spirit!
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Good job.
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The holy spirit was before jesus
Whoever Jesus is he was just a container for it.
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Jesus

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The holy spirit was before jesus
Whoever Jesus is he was just a container for it.
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That is not true.

The Holy Spirit is the Word (Ephesians 6:17), and is Jesus.
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Yes and God Almighty (albeit manifest in the flesh, see Is. 9:6; Phil. 2:6 (KJV), etc.)
The real trick is to learn to think critically; ask better and more questions. Don't accept anything at face value. Be sure you're making healthy decisions, getting adequate rest and spending proper time reflecting on things.
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It was Jesus both times.

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Hosea 12:4
At Bethel, Jacob wrestled with an angel and won; then with tears in his eyes, he asked for a blessing, and God spoke to us there.

Jesus is an angel?

Jesus was overpowered by a man?
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Jesus is the "angel of the Lord". Jesus is humanoid in the old testament and is human now. He does not exert his infiniteness over and against his creations. You could maybe out run him, he showed me that I could beat him in a game of chess, and Jacob pinned him.

Jesus is God, God is referred to as the "angel of the Lord" in the OT, Jesus is God, Jesus is the angel of the Lord. It's simple, what don't you get, that Jesus is God, or that God is referred to as the angel of the Lord in the OT?
Jesus Christ is God. Read the Holy Bible, keep his commandments, obey all of his commands, save your soul.
Jesus blesses you! <3
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The helper/Comforter. ... = the parakletos. .. = Jesus
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hesright

They are reprobate who reject the truth. But as the bible says Every man is right in his own eyes, therefore they will contend and even kill you. They are blinded, why?

St. John 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
St. John 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
St. John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
St. John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
St. John 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
Jesus Christ is God. Read the Holy Bible, keep his commandments, obey all of his commands, save your soul.
Jesus blesses you! <3
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"Image" of God.

NOT God Himself -
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Ummm... you are seriously confused.

Your post is a Straw man.. I'm not even SAYING Jesus is God. He is the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4,5
There is one Spirit, one Lord

1 Cor 8:6
There is only one Lord: Jesus

2 Cor 3:17
The Lord is the Spirit.

Your problem, is that you believe in 2 Spirits; 2 Masters.


I have one Lord: Jesus

Why don't you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106368


Because he is reprobate for the reason that God told him to stop sinning but he justified himself and ignored the warning and assumed no consequence foe his sins and didn't fear God or of losing his soul but made himself proud and righteous in his sins while pointing out others' sins. He decived himself and now he can't see when '1+1=2'.

Written to believers who were sinning:
James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
James 4:9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
Jesus Christ is God. Read the Holy Bible, keep his commandments, obey all of his commands, save your soul.
Jesus blesses you! <3





GLP