Derby Jockey Suspended

I agree, but F1’s racing through the streets of Monaco is pretty cool. Also supercross.

Horse people are a weird bunch. The track was shitty. Shit happens. Not the horses fault.

Can't argue that, but we're a pretty conservative bunch. I've seen a ton of horses that reference TRUMP. Today there was a horse at Finger Lakes running named Very Stable Genius.

Should not have run those horses in those shitty track conditions.

It didn't rain most of the day. It started to drizzle a couple hours before the Derby and some heavier rains an hour before the Derby. If the track was unsafe after the Derby the jockeys would declare the track unsafe, refuse to ride and the races after the Derby would have been canceled. That is generally how races are canceled on a wet track. Those races weren't canceled so the track was not unsafe.

A sloppy track generally isn't a big deal.

True, that! Races are routinely run in the slop at Churchill Downs.

Churchill Downs does not cancel races for rain unless lightening is present in the area. In that case, the race would only have been delayed. I was there for the Oaks race a few years ago, and they waited for the lightening to move out and then held the race.

BTW, did anyone watch the Oaks this year? A filly fell right after the break. Jaywalk, the filly who impeded her was DQ'd. Jaywalk was the 3rd favorite in the race, and I've not heard any complaining from anyone over the stewards' decision in that race.

yea that horse needs to PAY!

That race is coming up

Thu, May 23
5:00 AM ET Monaco Grand Prix
Circuit de Monaco
*MONACO GRAND PRIX PRACTICE 1

Thu, May 23
9:00 AM ET Monaco Grand Prix
Circuit de Monaco
*MONACO GRAND PRIX PRACTICE 2

Sat, May 25
6:00 AM ET Monaco Grand Prix
Circuit de Monaco
*MONACO GRAND PRIX PRACTICE 3

Sat, May 25
9:00 AM ET Monaco Grand Prix
Circuit de Monaco
*MONACO GRAND PRIX QUALIFYING

Sun, May 26
9:10 AM ET Monaco Grand Prix
Circuit de Monaco
*MONACO GRAND PRIX RACE

Try and run in the mud and see if u can keep it straight going 30 mph!

You are an idiot, sir.

me. now i'm richer than bill gates

Yes it is. Craziest thing ever to say a horse in a race changed lanes to gain advantage. Of course it did....that's the point....they are tards.

20 wide and entertaining as hell for example.

It's a race, stuff happens, but still...it was exciting to

watch and see up close what really happens and I

completely wonder if this wrong will be righted!

Why is it always after the fact we find evidence

of wrong doing lately??? Timing is way off it seems

or the wheels of justice are slowing....

I watched it. I played the Oaks/Derby double and had the Oaks winner. Was alive with MS, Tacitus and Roadster in the Derby.

Jaywalk finished 6th and would not have been involved in any payouts even if not DQd.

If you watch frame by frame you can see the 8 horse turn his head to the left after the gate opens (probably the jockey pulling his left rein) and #8 then bumps into Jaywalk (#7) who then cuts off #6 and #6 goes down.



This is similar to what Bayern did in 2014 in the Breeder's Cup Classic. Bayern was NOT DQd. Bayern's actions were arguably worse, but no horse went down and I think the stewards said all horses had enough time to recover and it didn't compromise any horses chances of a higher placing.

Holy shit. War of Will should be DQ'ed and his jockey suspended, and Maximum Security should be reinstated as winner of the race. MS had been getting hacked on the hind leg before jumping outside.

And it happened during a part of the race that was NOT being reviewed by the stewards before they decided to DQ Maximum Security.

What a bunch of bullshit...

I wonder how much certain people made by reversing this decision?

Is the DNC running things there?

The ownees of maximum security should have made a charge of interference and then probably the whole race would have been reviewed.

That day I think they did the best they could do because it that were a claiming race there would have been a disqualification in twenty seconds.

The thing I find interesting is the President commenting on this. It wasn't necessary but he commented anyway saying the best horse didn't win or something like that. Makes you wonder if he knows that something odd went on with this race.

I think he knew. He said it was a rough and tumble race, and that's what we saw in the new video. Why didn't their jockey Saez say his horse was clipped by War of Will, then the owners could have filed that protest.

"bettors", not "betters"

not sure of rules but agree that war of will knees max security right in the nuts at least once, maybe twice, so not surprised max security changed course a bit,

Because max security still won after getting his nuts smashed in, he should have kept the crown.

I agree it had to do with money. The house probably would have lost more money
paying out for the favorite than the long shot they gave the win to.

It was a bad decision IMO (it's about 50/50 so plenty of opinions on both sides) but money is unlikely a factor.

Pari-mutuel betting doesn't work like a casino. You aren't betting against the house. It is player versus player. About 20% of the wagered money goes to the track, horseman and state. The remainder is paid out based on the number of winning tickets. The track makes no more money if the favorite wins or a longshot wins.

Granted, there are some shady things that happen at a race track on occasion but I don't think there was any nefarious plot behind the scenes.

I do think that if the trainers of the top 2 finishers were swapped the decision may have been different, but that wouldn't have been a preconceived plot.

Maximum Security's trainer isn't as revered in the industry as Country House's trainer is. MS's trainer has a lot of people who think he cheats using banned substances and CH's trainer is basically God and can do no wrong.

I totally disagree

and if you watch the video posted here you can see that war of will changed courses right behind max security continuing the ball beating all the way around the corner. lol
war of will and rider was trying to take him out. imo

I do agree though that it was a bad decision

Anyway
don't totally disagree
your post was interesting and educational,
not sure why I disagreed with it

but for this rider to be punished and dethroned for being stalked and
harassed by war of will is hard to understand.

but as far as the betting I disagree.

Anyone can bet including the house even if vicariously so there was money on the line we will never now about. lol

Trainer Brad Cox has Owendale and Warrior's Charge running in Saturday's 144th Preakness Stakes (G1). First, he hopes to kick-start a potentially huge weekend Friday at Pimlico Race Course with Covfefe in the $150,000 Adena Springs Miss Preakness (G3) and Mylady Curlin in the $150,000 Caplan Brothers Glass Allaire duPont Distaff (G3).



I might have to bet that horse just for the name.

Can't read this now but very interested, will catch up later

Covfefe