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Sireen-reborn (OP) User ID: 472239 United States 08/26/2008 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yesterday there was a discussion about the damages of women's lib.... this article makes the point I couldn't. Men are INCREDIBLY neccessary, we are just forcing them to forget why. I don't want to see a world where the genderliness are so blur there is no more distinction or importance to each other. anything after 'but' is bullshit! [link to www.myspace.com] "Once you open your mind to the possibility of conspiracy, you then see conspiracy in everything." [link to deadbydecember-sireen.blogspot.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 296738 United States 08/26/2008 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Men as not genetically made to be fathers in monogomous relationships in the way tradition implies. Like most members of the animal kingdom, a male's primary purpose is to spread as much of their gooey genetic seed around the world as they can. The rest just comes down to territorial actions that always lead back to trying to establish higher standings in the pack - which of course leads to more female pun tang. One could take a different approach and say that this cultural shift is a result of men breaking away from the religious based stereotype of being a provider and more towards a true male existence. |
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Sireen-reborn (OP) User ID: 472239 United States 08/26/2008 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are quite a few species on this planet that stay in monogomous relationships where the father takes a very active and important role....why should man be different? Men ARE engineered to be fathers...mankind is engineered to BE the superior species on this planet and therefore has incredible range of behavior and committment abilities. I think it's weakness to use our sexual appetites as an excuse to be man-whores or sluts and to excuse off any responsibility as a result of this behavior! anything after 'but' is bullshit! [link to www.myspace.com] "Once you open your mind to the possibility of conspiracy, you then see conspiracy in everything." [link to deadbydecember-sireen.blogspot.com] |
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Sireen-reborn (OP) User ID: 472239 United States 08/26/2008 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | are you trying to say you need a good man sireen?? Quoting: whyidontknowNo way...I got me a good man!!!! He's one of the last of a dieing (or is it dying?) breed I believe. anything after 'but' is bullshit! [link to www.myspace.com] "Once you open your mind to the possibility of conspiracy, you then see conspiracy in everything." [link to deadbydecember-sireen.blogspot.com] |
Kanigo2 User ID: 442313 United States 08/26/2008 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | are you trying to say you need a good man sireen?? Quoting: Sireen-rebornNo way...I got me a good man!!!! He's one of the last of a dieing (or is it dying?) breed I believe. That is so close to a set up joke..... I'll pass... Alt+F4 Allows GodLikeProductions User to Check Current score in Thread Dialog. "GLP has some batty shit, but yours takes the fucking biscuit "-Disputed- Hurray for Anarchy! This is the happiest moment of my life. |
WaitingForTheMiracle User ID: 491301 United States 08/26/2008 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are quite a few species on this planet that stay in monogomous relationships where the father takes a very active and important role....why should man be different? Quoting: Sireen-rebornMen ARE engineered to be fathers...mankind is engineered to BE the superior species on this planet and therefore has incredible range of behavior and committment abilities. I think it's weakness to use our sexual appetites as an excuse to be man-whores or sluts and to excuse off any responsibility as a result of this behavior! New world monkey- titi monkey, night monkey, callitrichids. Old world monkey- langur/mentawi island leaf monkey. Ape- Gibbon. But here is how it breaks down. Birds- 90% monogamous. Mammals- under 5% monogamous Primates- 37/200=~18% monogamous. (Traditional human societies are about 20% monogamous.) No im not waiting for the rapture,I just dig Leonard Cohen. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 284011 United States 08/26/2008 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In film and music, men are variously portrayed as dolts, bullies, brutes, deadbeats, rapists, sexual predators and wife-beaters.” In sitcoms, family men “are invariably cast, at best, as bubbling, dim-witted fools.” Quoting: Sireen-rebornParker, who raised three boys and was a Cub Scout den mother, acknowledges herself to be “an unlikely champion of males.” She warns that ridiculing men leads to shrinking the importance of fatherhood. At the same time, “by elevating single motherhood from an unfortunate consequence of poor planning to a sophisticated act of self-fulfillment, we have helped fashion a world in which fathers are not just scarce but in which men are superfluous.” “When masculinity is not valued”, Parker warns, “there is little incentive for boys to grow up.” And these kinds of books perpetuate the idea. I will comment on the above three points. Film and music does the same thing to women. Ditzy, drunk, irresponsible, materialistic, foolish, cheaters, liars, whores, toys; women are displayed as this and much worse. The traditional family also diminished the importance of fatherhood. Fathers were virtually uninvolved in the "family". They worked, came home, ate, slept, and did it all over again. Fathers were not loving, nurturing, instructing or sharing the responsibility of raising children. If men showed and interest in being fathers, I doubt that any woman would turn them down. Please, cry me a river about masculinity not being valued. That is bull shit. There is an entire culture of sports, hunting, etc. set up to glorify masculinity. Femininity on the other hand is not valued and has not been. Being feminine is shown as weak, not educated, silly, irresponsible therefore there is little incentive for women to be feminine. Society does the same thing to both sexes. When you post one sided shit like this, it only perpetuates it. |
KindaGamey User ID: 482960 United States 08/26/2008 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many of the men on this site are over-masculated -- they think that the only protest they have to stop of all this girly "compassion" and "caring" stuff is by massaging their guns and hardening their hearts. Many of the women think they need to become like men to survive in today's environment. When in a den of rats you fight to survive. But masculinity is what created the den of rats, it created capitalism and competition for survival. Instead of moving towards a more compassionate future they are abandoning their posts. Women were the last vestiges of hope for emotion and nurturing and they are walking away from their duties to the earth. Hence, what that psycho savethemales guy calls the emasculated male. We need this. It is a natural balancing function. We must return to compassion at all costs or we will die fighting for survival. Imagine you crash landed on an island with a plane full of strangers. You would work together to survive would you not? And if you didn't, you wouldn't have the time to do all the things you needed to survive - build a shelter, find sticks for the fire, cook, hunt, give medical attention. We divide the tasks amongst the living and share our resources. Well earth is that island. We are all the survivors of the crash and we need to fucking work together or we will die here. This post pending review. [link to kindagamey.com] |
Sireen-reborn (OP) User ID: 472239 United States 08/26/2008 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are quite a few species on this planet that stay in monogomous relationships where the father takes a very active and important role....why should man be different? Quoting: WaitingForTheMiracleMen ARE engineered to be fathers...mankind is engineered to BE the superior species on this planet and therefore has incredible range of behavior and committment abilities. I think it's weakness to use our sexual appetites as an excuse to be man-whores or sluts and to excuse off any responsibility as a result of this behavior! This is true,but you don't see too many monogamous primates in fact I don't think there are any. There are a lot of differences between mankind and primates...we can't just pick and choose what we want to blame on evolution and what we want to adopt from it. anything after 'but' is bullshit! [link to www.myspace.com] "Once you open your mind to the possibility of conspiracy, you then see conspiracy in everything." [link to deadbydecember-sireen.blogspot.com] |
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Sireen-reborn (OP) User ID: 472239 United States 08/26/2008 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In film and music, men are variously portrayed as dolts, bullies, brutes, deadbeats, rapists, sexual predators and wife-beaters.” In sitcoms, family men “are invariably cast, at best, as bubbling, dim-witted fools.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284011Parker, who raised three boys and was a Cub Scout den mother, acknowledges herself to be “an unlikely champion of males.” She warns that ridiculing men leads to shrinking the importance of fatherhood. At the same time, “by elevating single motherhood from an unfortunate consequence of poor planning to a sophisticated act of self-fulfillment, we have helped fashion a world in which fathers are not just scarce but in which men are superfluous.” “When masculinity is not valued”, Parker warns, “there is little incentive for boys to grow up.” And these kinds of books perpetuate the idea. I will comment on the above three points. Film and music does the same thing to women. Ditzy, drunk, irresponsible, materialistic, foolish, cheaters, liars, whores, toys; women are displayed as this and much worse. The traditional family also diminished the importance of fatherhood. Fathers were virtually uninvolved in the "family". They worked, came home, ate, slept, and did it all over again. Fathers were not loving, nurturing, instructing or sharing the responsibility of raising children. If men showed and interest in being fathers, I doubt that any woman would turn them down. Please, cry me a river about masculinity not being valued. That is bull shit. There is an entire culture of sports, hunting, etc. set up to glorify masculinity. Femininity on the other hand is not valued and has not been. Being feminine is shown as weak, not educated, silly, irresponsible therefore there is little incentive for women to be feminine. Society does the same thing to both sexes. When you post one sided shit like this, it only perpetuates it. See that's just it.....again how do we really KNOW what fathers were like before our generations? There were PLENTY of men who took their responsibilities as providers and fathers very seriously and LOVED their children...taught their children, etc. It's not about showing the kids with hugs and kisses and wishing their booboos good-bye...that's what the mothers are for...it's about teaching them responsibility, teaching them survival, being there to show them what it takes to be a man. anything after 'but' is bullshit! [link to www.myspace.com] "Once you open your mind to the possibility of conspiracy, you then see conspiracy in everything." [link to deadbydecember-sireen.blogspot.com] |
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WaitingForTheMiracle User ID: 491301 United States 08/26/2008 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are quite a few species on this planet that stay in monogomous relationships where the father takes a very active and important role....why should man be different? Quoting: Sireen-rebornMen ARE engineered to be fathers...mankind is engineered to BE the superior species on this planet and therefore has incredible range of behavior and committment abilities. I think it's weakness to use our sexual appetites as an excuse to be man-whores or sluts and to excuse off any responsibility as a result of this behavior! This is true,but you don't see too many monogamous primates in fact I don't think there are any. There are a lot of differences between mankind and primates...we can't just pick and choose what we want to blame on evolution and what we want to adopt from it. I would agree with you but with what I see everyday it is pretty darn plain we are just monkeys. No im not waiting for the rapture,I just dig Leonard Cohen. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 484925 United States 08/26/2008 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Men as not genetically made to be fathers in monogomous relationships in the way tradition implies. Like most members of the animal kingdom, a male's primary purpose is to spread as much of their gooey genetic seed around the world as they can. The rest just comes down to territorial actions that always lead back to trying to establish higher standings in the pack - which of course leads to more female pun tang. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296738One could take a different approach and say that this cultural shift is a result of men breaking away from the religious based stereotype of being a provider and more towards a true male existence. Not true. The human offspring takes the longest to reach adulthood and needs the most resources to raise. Therefore, a human child needs both parents who are fully invested in his/her well being. If a man strays, it would cause all sorts of problems threatening the stability of the family and diminishing the childrens' chances for survival. The comparison to animals and even primates doesn't fly since we are not animals. I don't think females from the non-monogamous species would be too upset if the male who fathered their offspring mates with other females. Human females, however, are programmed to feel hurt and even devastated if their partner cheats. So, why would these feelings even exist if we were designed to screw everything that moves? |
The Analog Guy User ID: 355383 United States 08/26/2008 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yesterday there was a discussion about the damages of women's lib.... Quoting: Sireen-rebornthis article makes the point I couldn't. Men are INCREDIBLY neccessary, we are just forcing them to forget why. I don't want to see a world where the genderliness are so blur there is no more distinction or importance to each other. I agree Sireen. I say burn all of your bridges while you still have control of the flame. We are like flies crawling across the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel: We cannot see what angels and gods lie underneath the threshold of our perceptions. We do not live in reality; we live in our paradigms, our habituated perceptions, our illusions; the illusions we share through culture we call reality, but the true historical reality of our condition is invisible to us.” |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 296738 United States 08/26/2008 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are a lot of differences between mankind and primates...we can't just pick and choose what we want to blame on evolution and what we want to adopt from it. Quoting: Sireen-rebornWe're 98% monkeys. Look, in a man's perfect world I would walk up to you, bend you over, have my way and move on. As much as pretend to like otherwise - this is how we would prefer it. In a woman's perfect world, one man will walk up to you, give you money, give you gifts, give you shelter, protect you with our life, sign some paper saying that if they leave you they owe you 50% of what they have, wipe the baby's ass, do *ugh father things with the annoying little pukes and die miserable. The world was WAY too biased to the woman's perfect world before. Time to create a little balance. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 296738 United States 08/26/2008 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not true. The human offspring takes the longest to reach adulthood and needs the most resources to raise. Therefore, a human child needs both parents who are fully invested in his/her well being. If a man strays, it would cause all sorts of problems threatening the stability of the family and diminishing the childrens' chances for survival. The comparison to animals and even primates doesn't fly since we are not animals. I don't think females from the non-monogamous species would be too upset if the male who fathered their offspring mates with other females. Human females, however, are programmed to feel hurt and even devastated if their partner cheats. So, why would these feelings even exist if we were designed to screw everything that moves? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 484925A female is equipmed to do the job. The issues that arise due to single parenting is envy of those with 2 parents. If EVERYONE had only their mother - development towards adulthood would not affected by the lack of stability. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 484925 United States 08/26/2008 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are a lot of differences between mankind and primates...we can't just pick and choose what we want to blame on evolution and what we want to adopt from it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296738We're 98% monkeys. Look, in a man's perfect world I would walk up to you, bend you over, have my way and move on. As much as pretend to like otherwise - this is how we would prefer it. In a woman's perfect world, one man will walk up to you, give you money, give you gifts, give you shelter, protect you with our life, sign some paper saying that if they leave you they owe you 50% of what they have, wipe the baby's ass, do *ugh father things with the annoying little pukes and die miserable. The world was WAY too biased to the woman's perfect world before. Time to create a little balance. Wow, really? You wouldn't give a damn about the kids you created? Or how the woman would survive on her own raising them? Cause that would most likely mean dying miserable for her too. Great guy you are. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 284011 United States 08/26/2008 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | See that's just it.....again how do we really KNOW what fathers were like before our generations? There were PLENTY of men who took their responsibilities as providers and fathers very seriously and LOVED their children...taught their children, etc. It's not about showing the kids with hugs and kisses and wishing their booboos good-bye...that's what the mothers are for...it's about teaching them responsibility, teaching them survival, being there to show them what it takes to be a man. Quoting: Sireen-rebornI'm guessing from listening to generations before us. Don't argue that. That was what "men" were taught to be. Sure, there were fathers who were different but they were not the societal "norm". I know personally because I had a father just like that. I come from a religious family like you do. And I know that if my father had been a more compassionate, loving example of what a real man should be, it would have saved me alot of time that was wasted on trashy men. Why are mothers there for hugs and kisses and booboos? I'm not affectionate. I'm not that kind of person. Why should my husband become the quintessential, responsible, survivalist male when he is more affectionate? Why should we reverse roles for societies ideas of who should be what? Why can't we just be ourselves and appreciate that? Blah blah blah, what it takes to be a man? It doesn't take anything. It takes genitals. I fail to see how a mother would not be involved in teaching children responsiblity and survival. I fail to see how it is important for the mother to be one thing and the father to be another. People have different strengths and weaknesses and it's not based on your gender. |
Concerned Reader User ID: 201486 United States 08/26/2008 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are a lot of differences between mankind and primates...we can't just pick and choose what we want to blame on evolution and what we want to adopt from it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296738We're 98% monkeys. Look, in a man's perfect world I would walk up to you, bend you over, have my way and move on. As much as pretend to like otherwise - this is how we would prefer it. In a woman's perfect world, one man will walk up to you, give you money, give you gifts, give you shelter, protect you with our life, sign some paper saying that if they leave you they owe you 50% of what they have, wipe the baby's ass, do *ugh father things with the annoying little pukes and die miserable. The world was WAY too biased to the woman's perfect world before. Time to create a little balance. God yes. Can any woman honestly be surprised that we dont want to get married these days? I dont think it's really a matter of "growing up" either, our fathers and grandfathers didn't do any of the shit "expected" from todays male and they were regarded as noble? Holy shit give me a break! hahah |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 284011 United States 08/26/2008 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 284011, well said. Females have been getting marginalized for millenia. Men get a little taste of it, and all the sudden it's wrong, bad, horrible, unjust. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 490872I know. These women who try to pity them annoy the hell out of me. They fail to see that it is truly a way of controlling men and keeping them down. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 484925 United States 08/26/2008 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not true. The human offspring takes the longest to reach adulthood and needs the most resources to raise. Therefore, a human child needs both parents who are fully invested in his/her well being. If a man strays, it would cause all sorts of problems threatening the stability of the family and diminishing the childrens' chances for survival. The comparison to animals and even primates doesn't fly since we are not animals. I don't think females from the non-monogamous species would be too upset if the male who fathered their offspring mates with other females. Human females, however, are programmed to feel hurt and even devastated if their partner cheats. So, why would these feelings even exist if we were designed to screw everything that moves? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296738A female is equipmed to do the job. The issues that arise due to single parenting is envy of those with 2 parents. If EVERYONE had only their mother - development towards adulthood would not affected by the lack of stability. Are you totally NUTS??? You don't have a clue what you're talking about. My sister and I were raised by only my mother since my parents divorced when I was very young and my father didn't contribute much. It was a constant struggle and my mother was very unhappy and stressed, taking it out on us. When I was a kid I was often fantasizing and dreaming about having TWO loving parents and I was jealous of my classmates who were in that situation. You are an ignorant moron who has NO idea how it is to not have a father. MORON. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 284011 United States 08/26/2008 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't want to see a world where the genderliness are so blur there is no more distinction or importance to each other. Quoting: Sireen-rebornBlurring gender lines does not cause us to be unimportant to each other. Irrelevance will. Gender roles cause people to be able to fall into a comfortable momentum without ever actually getting to the heart of who each person truly is. I think that is negative and damaging to a relationship. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 284011 United States 08/26/2008 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In a woman's perfect world, one man will walk up to you, give you money, give you gifts, give you shelter, protect you with our life, sign some paper saying that if they leave you they owe you 50% of what they have, wipe the baby's ass, do *ugh father things with the annoying little pukes and die miserable. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296738You should get out more. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 484925 United States 08/26/2008 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are a lot of differences between mankind and primates...we can't just pick and choose what we want to blame on evolution and what we want to adopt from it. Quoting: Concerned Reader 201486We're 98% monkeys. Look, in a man's perfect world I would walk up to you, bend you over, have my way and move on. As much as pretend to like otherwise - this is how we would prefer it. In a woman's perfect world, one man will walk up to you, give you money, give you gifts, give you shelter, protect you with our life, sign some paper saying that if they leave you they owe you 50% of what they have, wipe the baby's ass, do *ugh father things with the annoying little pukes and die miserable. The world was WAY too biased to the woman's perfect world before. Time to create a little balance. God yes. Can any woman honestly be surprised that we dont want to get married these days? I dont think it's really a matter of "growing up" either, our fathers and grandfathers didn't do any of the shit "expected" from todays male and they were regarded as noble? Holy shit give me a break! hahah Yes, I think my grandfather was an honorable man. Is it more 'noble' to spend your entire life fucking around, fuck around and not take any responsibility, and basically live like a dog? At least my grandfather died with a loving wife at his side, and he told her if he had to do it again, he would and would have married her again. You, on the other hand, might expire in a nursing home or in an apartment all by yourself like that 41-yr-old New York City man-child who had tons of "friends" and yet it took over a week before the super discovered his decomposing body. Great life, no? |