So has anyone here REALLY done astral travel?

I once struck up an online acquaintance with a guy that I liked. One day, in meditation, I traveled above a highway that I had traveled before, to a set of apartment buildings. I went into one apartment and stood behind a black office chair with a man sitting in it, working at his at a computer. I remembered every detail of it.

Months later, I finally met the man. We went to his place. I was stunned to see the exact apartment that I had traveled to earlier; the chair, the computer, the ambiance of the place; the back of the guy's head. All of it, clear as day.

Years before that, from another forum - long gone, unfortunately - a Scotsman and I tried an OBE experiment, which we were going to do simultaneously. At the appointed time, I went into meditation and found myself hanging onto the top of a tall pine tree, swaying in the wind. The sky was dusky, as if nighttime were falling, and from my perch, I watched a car with its headlights on coming around a curvy road. It was a black Mini!

Trading notes later on with the Scotsman, he was amazed that I had seen his father driving home at the end of the day. I saw his exact route and the Scotsman even knew the set of trees I must have been lodged in.

This stuff works really well for me. I've seen a lot of weird things; too weird to tell you guys anything more about. You'd never believe me.

Try me.

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Contribute or STFU!!!

this is a fascinating thread, its amazing to see the replies of those who this is almost second nature to...

i have had a few close attmepts at this, but never broke thru yet.

i have been researching brainwave science and meditation, non-ordinary states of consciousness and the like lately.

what ive found in my research, is that most people struggle with this because they have trouble meditating, clearing their minds and literally lowering the frequency osciallation of their brainwaves down to a specific level that allows astral travel. delta waves(8-13Hz), theta waves(4-8Hz) are what are generally understood as low enough to experience astral travel, but your brain normally oscillates at alpha frequencies(18-30Hz) (Hz means cycles per second, fyi)

so if your having trouble clearing your mind and becoming still enough to turn the dial down on your brains 'radio transciever' i have encountered an amazing solution to this problem:

binuaral beats. they are raw sound compositions that last about 10-30 minutes, and are basically raw soundwaves set in separate stereo channels, one at say 200Hz, and the other ear set at 207Hz. the difference between those two frequencies is 7Hz. 7Hz would be the perfect tone to listen to to force yourself into an astral state of consciousness, but the humnan ear cannot hear anything below 20Hz. however, the trick behind binuaral beat is that by using two separte right and left ear channels, it forces the two hemispheres of your brain to experience the difference as a separate tone.

there are a lot of places selling binural beats, but i have finally found some good free ones.

its not going to do all the work for you, but could be a great shortcut for anyone who is struggling with step one, getting good at meditating.

i just started using these 2 days ago, and this morning was quite a trip, i was very close to leaving my body.

heres a great article on using binaural beats for astral projection:

[link to www.neurosoup.com]

and heres the mp3 for my favorite one that ive been using just recently: (right click save as)

[link to api.ning.com]

|||ps: u have to wear stereo headphones and be laying down for this stuff|||

They do not harm you physically. I'll give some examples of what these negative entities can do. But remember this, they do not respect 'free will'. Positive entities do. You can ask for guidance, help and protection from positive entities or your higher self (or Buddha, Jesus, etc.), but positive entities respect free will and will not interfere with your spiritual growth unless they are asked.

But negative entities understand what scares you and they will attempt to use your fears to scare you off the path of spiritual development. As a spiritual being, you have to conquer these fears to continue on the path.

Example: Every time you try to astral project, you barely get out of your body before a 'night terror' comes into the room and scares the hell out of you. A night terror can be just a menacing shadow form. It scares the hell out of you because it can radiate a fear that you are very receptive to. So, instead of facing this entity and standing your ground, you decide that this OBE stuff isn't all that fun and decide not to try it anymore. The negative entity (night terror) has done its job and steered you off the path of spiritual growth.

But lets say you face the night terror without letting the immense fear pull you back into your body. You realize that it cannot harm you, it can only use your fears as a tool against you. So you confront it and tell it to get the f%!k away from you, that it cannot harm you, and that it has no control over you. Guess what!? It goes away. You learn a powerful lesson and realize the only thing that is holding you back is your own fear!

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I would HIGHLY advise against it. The trade off is not worth it.

Do you think bio-feedback would be a good tool for achieving this state?

What makes you think that? I've projected many times with my body totally awake. There is some very strange disinformation floating around on the web about OBEs.

This is one of my experiences OP. It is copy and pasted from my journal.

April 20, 2008
Early Morning

I had a ton of OBE’s just prior. I was in bed. Rolling out of my body probably a dozen times. I got sick of roaming around the house…

I was in the in-between state. Fully awake, yet sleeping. It was the fullest attainment of this state I have ever been in. I felt my self separated, felt two bodies, one physical and heavy… asleep. And one light and ethereal… fully awake. I rolled with the light body out bed, out of my physical body.

Perfect, classbook execution of OBE. I wandered the house. Then, a thought came to me; to go look at myself sleeping in bed. I entered the bedroom and focused my vision on the bed I was sleeping in. It was an area both hazy and gray. I felt a repulsion. I had an extremely difficult time forcing my astral vision on my sleeping body. I found that I could not do it no matter what I tried. Interesting. Why was that? I have always heard that it is very common for OBE’rs to view their sleeping body. But I was not allowed to…

I pulled myself back into my body. In and out I practiced and explored the house until I got bored. I transitioned straight into a deep OBE/lucid dream as I released control of trying to remain close to physical reality.

I was in a grass covered, large ditch next to a paved road. I felt that since I was so extremely aware of my sleeping body that I might easily fall out of lucidity or more likely, just wake up. I was balanced perfectly in the bi-state. I rushed in order to get something going knowing that if I transited to the next state I would not risk waking up or losing lucidity. I said the first thing that came to mind. “I want to see Jesus. I want to feel him, the light, the love.”

Immediately two people appeared on the level grass above me where I was down in the broad, deep ditch. The first to contact me was a female, plainly clothed. She came directly to me and I knew she came in response to my seeking. I asked her if she was my dream guide and she looked at me with bemusement, subtlety letting me know that she had no idea of what I was talking about. “Are you a guide?” She gave me the same look. We exchanged words, but they were casual in nature and not worth remembrance.

He walked up behind her. They instructed me to lie down and put my head in her lap. I stared up at both of them, complete comfort caused by the innate knowing that they were absolutely benevolent in nature. He then bent over me, his face just inches above mine, and blew smoke from his mouth. I inhaled deeply.

Everything went dark. Incredible sensation. I was dizzy, swirling in a deep, almost black darkness. Patterns (symbols?) swirled around me, enveloped me. That euphoric rush of vast movement. Of further soul displacement. The feeling is nearly indescribable for those who have never felt this mode of spirit travel. Normally I would feel vibrations accompanying the movement, along with the roaring of some type of wind. This time I didn’t. It was comfortably disorienting and smooth. I think I have been reaching further states of growth and these temporal transitions are much smoother now. I am becoming much more attuned to these varying states of being.

Suddenly I am sitting before them, on the grass. We are under an overhead that gently lets light in, with all sides open to the air. I have an impression that the overhang is more like a square sun umbrella, but I also sense it being made from wood.

They gave themselves the names Lisa and Alan. Alan was of a very excitable personality and Lisa was more reserved.

I was Mr. Curiosity and wouldn’t stop asking them questions. I remember discussing reality and how I can prove if this is real. They thought I meant so that I can prove this is real to other people, when what I meant was confirmation to myself. They got a kick out of that. I was there, wholly conscious, fully interacting with them, and yet I was questioning if the experience was real. I smiled because I knew it was real, but told them that it is hard to comprehend these types of experiences as ‘real’ when I return to my body. The experiences become watered down in the 3rd dimension and can be difficult to fully remember.

That’s when we talked of the Forgetting. I told them that I couldn’t remember anything beyond my 3rd dimension life on Earth. They were dumbstruck and wondered how that could possibly be, living a life without the knowingness of your eternal self. I became extremely emotional, nearly sobbing, telling them that I want to remember so badly, that I cannot wait until the veil is gone and I can be my true self again.

Alan said that he can tell me that once upon a time he and I had a past life where we had met. I asked him if he could tell me the names of our past life persons and he was thinking about whether he should or not. He looked over at Lisa and she said that he had better not. I pestered them but they playfully declined.

I could hear Sammy barking (Sammy is one of our dogs) and could also hear our two daughters playing somewhere in the house. I was getting worried that if the noise distraction continued I would be pulled back into my body and ‘wake up’.

So I told them to hurry and give me something that I could use to confirm the experience. Alan asked me why we needed to hurry and I told him that the dog is barking and the girls are playing and I think the distraction might wake me up at any moment. He was confused. He said, “Wait a minute, you are sleeping in bed right now?”

“Yes, my other body is in 3rd dimension earth right now sleeping.”

He thought it was absolutely amazing that I was lying in bed ‘asleep’ somewhere else. His exact words, “WOW!” shaking his head as if in disbelief. He was extremely excited and said to Lisa, “Can you believe this?! How can someone accomplish that? He (referring to me) is 9 planets/planes (?) out!” Both of them thought that that was incredible, but I had no clue what they were talking about.

We talked a lot, much of it I don’t fully remember. Lisa had given all three of us a crushed leaf/tiny stick with branches (?). They started to eat theirs. I asked them what it was and they told me to eat it. I did. It was bland and a little pungent. They thought it tasted horrible, but it was not too bad for me as it was so bland.

I remember the leaf/stick having come from a plant that has large pee ponds on it. The pee pod was large and very dry. We cracked open and ate the dime-sized pees. Somehow I know that the leaf/stick was eaten so that it would do something to us, but they never told me what. The peas were just to munch on.

I again asked them what the plant was. Alan pronounced it 3 or 4 times until I could get it right. Phonetically, it is LEGWOW.

Innately, we all knew that it was time for me to head back. I asked them if I was going to see them again and they mysteriously replied with a, “Possibly. Who knows?”
I put my head back into Lisa’s lap. They told me to make a sound. “Like this,” Lisa said. It was a low garbled hum.

I followed her and hummed along. Immediately as I started to hum Alan bent over me and blew smoke in my face.
Near darkness. Vast movement. Strange swirling symbols. I was back in bed.

the negative feedback and twisting of my words is astounding. i was the one who said the astral world was emotional, not DNA.

astral projection is natural and you do it all the time. lucid dreams are projections while you sleep. the astral world is your awareness within the "dream" world. the trick is to stay conscious while your body drifts into sleep- thus meditation, especially in ancient texts, is involved.

shamans in Peru claim the figures of animals embedded in the grounds (like the famous spider) were of shamanic importance. groups of hopeful shamans would sit in the middle of these structures and meditate for as long as possible, doing something very difficult to do- meditate yourself into projection. those shamans who projected successfully were told to rise up in their astral bodies and peer at the groups below, and to distinguish what they saw in the structures of lines. those who came back to their bodies would be lead off away from the group to report what they saw- successful projections ensured credibility for a shaman by the elders, and thus intiate him into the shaman's circles.

why is astral projection important? why should you care about it? why should you discern those here who talk ill of it, as if it was dangerous?

because it is a human gift, a human right, to leave their bodies and search throughout the universe for knowledge and truth.

what if i told you, you could go visit dead friends and relatives in their astral homes? what if i told you the spiritual realm is filled with libraries of truth? what if i told you those who dog astral projection and try to keep you from considering it, may not want you to seek it out for fear of what you would find?

do not be weak-minded... astral projection is what you make it. if the fear of the unknown trumps the potential of the unknown, the battle has already been won.

FOR WHAT IT’S WORTH:

I have managed to cross over 4 times and none of these times did I 'plan' to do it. I don't know what fine line there is between OBE, Lucid Dreaming, and astral projection...

In the most profound instance I experienced, I got up off of the couch and left my body there, I was totally aware that it wasn't with me... I have a horrible snoring problem and had to consciously listen to it in disgust the whole time (in the background). No silver chord (just heavy, emphysemic sounding breathing to remind me of this reality)

I went to a place that was like a university (mansion) with beautiful windows (like stained glass - but ever changing) and the walls were changing color too. There were enumerable different types of beings there - mostly humanoid to my perception. Most could care less that I was there - they were reading - studying?

Outside was this massive 'port' - like a space port but they weren't just coming and going using ships/vessels - more like the ones I saw could fly/float (I saw this from a pretty far distance).

This blue guy looked up from reading something and gave me this rolling eye look/stare - like, "Not another one of you..."

He was blue-blue (bright blue - not illuminated - his skin was freakin blue)

I went upstairs and could just slide up along the wall on this little thing... there were books everywhere - the language looked like Arabic or some ancient language - these were like e-books (notebooks?) - changing too much to read. (there were beings able to crawl along the ceilings – looked kinda fun– no stairs)

I'm sure that my perception was the limiting factor (key to my interpretations) - however, this was soooooo outside of me "creating" this in my subconscious.

I started looking way up to the ceiling and at the windows and shouted, "HOLY SHIT! That's beautiful!"

and I heard my body break the snoring and say this simultaneously (small delay - perhaps?)... then I heard my kids in the other room say, "DADDY!!! - DON"T SAY THAT!"

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On another occasion I saw this black, cat faced thing staring me down in the corner of my ceiling and it lifted me in the air towards it whilst being paralyzed and terrified...
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After reading "DMT - The Godlike Molecule" and digesting people's experiences, and learning about the pineal gland's ability to produce DMT & other compounds - I understand now why the following can be tied together... does not take away the possibility that these compounds allow us to perceive REAL aspects of our larger reality, other dimensions etc.

NDE
OBE
Astral projection
Lucid Dreaming
Altered states (trance dance, hallucinogens)
Shamanistic visions of the 'spirit world' (see alt states)
Fairie sightings (historically congruent)
Elves (see machine elves - DMT)

Greys (trippin folk - induced or over producing DMT claiming abduction, shaman's spirit helpers, all describe them the same - I believe they are cross-dimensional beings and not nuts/bolts 'space people')

Advice:

Pop a few shrooms to flex your perception - may open you up to the other realities which I know EXIST! (just not sure what it’s all about – and why so strange!)

(BTW: long-time skeptic, was agnostic, is science-buff – HOWEVER -


- experience changes everything!!!)

None of you "experiencers" have brought back anything "useful" for your physical plane, so wtf?

You might as well be smoking a bowl for all the good you are doing.

Damn it, I am trying to get my head around this and the possible ramifications to what is being said. Could it be true? Can a human really do this? Would we be condemed for trying to achieve god status or is this EVERYBODY'S right and this knowledge has been secreted? You have to admit, there are MANY different schools of thought here. What if i believed the guy that said there is no danger and he was wrong? This seems VERY precarious and not for the faint of heart, the penalty could ne irreversable, no? I don't want to take the chance but for those of you who have taken the risk I must ask, did this provide you with some kind of ephinay? Does it make difference in this life? Did it cement your belief for life after death? Did it give you purpose and pause for everything that you have been taught?

They are called dreams.

These idiots are only examining their own navels.

Get into Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, connect to God instead of wasting your time.

Can someone please tell me if this is an astral experience, or what the hell it was:

I was lying down with the intention of astral projecting, but just relaxing with my eyes closed. I then lose my awareness and enter into a trance state.

The next thing i know is im sorta half out of my physical body, and my physical body seems slightly translucent. I am viewing from a place just outside of my skull, or upon my shoulder, very hard to pinpoint exactly where. I feel this incredible energy rushing up through my body, and something explodes inside my head. It feels like this energy is now shooting out the top of my head in a fountain that looks like this Egyptian headdress: [link to www.sciencemuseum.org.uk]

I can't begin to describe how much pleasure and ecstacy i felt at that moment, it was like a sexual orgasm x 1000, and all over the body/mind.

At the culmination of this experience, i am suddenly immersed in a sort of sphere of bright light and colour, somewhat 3D information/fractal like quality to it. It is all around me. I am saying to myself, "Slow down! What is this?!" over and over.. as i say this, the whole scene stops morphing about and pauses, becoming completely stationary..

A mirror image of myself appears infront of me. It winks at me in a brotherly kind of way, very loving. At this moment i am pulled back into my physical body, then immediately thrown out again in a out-of-body experience.. im quite bamboozled at this point, so i just drift up to the end of my bed, examine the Jimi Hendrix poster there, then i black out/wake up..

What i want to know is, what was that sphere of light i was immersed in? It seemed very similar to a DMT trip, same feeling and amazing colours/information everywhere.

Appreciate all comments. thanks!

Man... I had very similar experience - got up (in astral form? obe? - off the couch) and forced myself to try and get my girlfriend to 'see me' in this state - only I had trouble seeing her... but I eventually did and she looked at me and started to talk to me!! Then, when I woke I asked her about it and she didn't remember and probably thought I was nutz.

Also, I went to go look at myself in a mirror, it wouldn't let me!!! It was the most frustrating experience - I got right up to this mirror and strained to see anything!

Then, when I woke, I went to the mirror and realized that in my lucid state, what I perceived as a mirror was one of those A/C return air vents where you put the filter...

Everything else in that house (and any other home that I've explored this way)... is usually perfectly mimicked

So it simply comes down to a show of force? Eliminate fear and you enliminate negative thought? You eliminate evil forces that can hurt you in this realem and others? You ACTUALLY fight these demons and WIN? You are REQUIRED to fight evil or pay? This seems to be a underlining recurrent theme in MANY aspects for many subjects...
Things that make you go hmmm....

I'm "abducted" 4-5 times a week.

It's intense and life changing, but I have adapted. It is a blessing.

They will be here soon in mass to help so long as we can keep our wits about us and not shoot at them instantly.

I have pretty much read this entire thread and would like to know where to start if I wanted to attempt astral projection can anyone point me in the right direction?

The guy saying that we didn't bring anything back is wrong.

This type of experience CHANGES your life. Because:

1) ... you didn't smoke/take anything to get there

2) ... you can feeeeeel that this is a natural aspect of our physiology that we just don't use. But that is NEEDED!! there is a sort of re-alignment you get (waking into a new reality over and over)

3) ... you realize that if the crazy-ass MF's that have been saying this wild shit is as you JUST EXPERIENCED it... you have to wonder how much other 'crazy-shit' people claim is possibly true! (I felt this way the 1st time I opened my chakras in a legit meditation - I realized how little I and every MF around me - including DR.s - probably know about our greater nature

4) ... I just saw a dude that's BLUE!!! HELLO!! and "I WASN'T dreaming" (says the lunatic in the padded cell)

5) ... Just read Graham Hancock's book "Supernatural" & "DMT - the God Molecule" (think that's the title) - humans been doin this for a while...

6) I firmly believe that through certain disciplines of the mind that there are shamans, spiritual leaders (true spiritual leaders - not Jimmy Swagger) - that have perfected the mind's openness to these other realms. They are taught GREAT THINGS through this process and truly should be revered, studied, etc... [ie. - That yogi, monk, old dude meditating/trippin in the corner isn't really "in the corner" - he is a Cosmo naught of the deeper realms of a much larger world that we can only speculate!!]

I AM into to Jesus! That doesn't make me brain dead and part of the little sheeps on the hill. HE gave me a good mind and a healthy dose of wanting to LEARN. You need to stop being a pussy and try to reach the potentinal you were given.

Are there ramifications of dreaming?
the experience of astral travel is still based on your consciousness and awareness, just as we are in these bodies walking around. there is not god status achieved. instead, you are walking closer to god, without limitations of matter.
it is natural. it has been around since time began. it is not just our "right" in some cultures, it is our duty.
what penalty could be had, other than a memory of an experience that was unpleasant? however, i must say in general most experts/researchers agree astral projection reacts to YOU. if you go into it fearful, it will rise to meet your expectations. if you go into it calm and at peace, you will find everything to be all right.
i liken it to mushroom/acid trips.
bad trips don't just happen.. the drug user creates it by the attitude and environment they put themselves in.

there is no penalty, unless you consider shaking up your viewpoint of reality to be one.

astral projection is a way to get answers for yourself. people can talk about experiments and experiences all day and night to you, but the only thing that will ever matter to you is your own experience.

it has definitely changed my life. it has definitely made things clearer, and easier to face. my first visits to the astral were unsure and rather frightening, until i experienced for myself there was nothing to fear. i experienced beings, whether outside of myself or a manifestation of my fears, that would take shapes and forms of the most terrible and horrifying creatures i can concieve of.

i went through this for a while, until i overcame all my fears, and now death nor demons nor anything gives me fear. the astral world taught me to let my fear go, and that has certainly made a difference in my "Waking Life".

now i am fearless and enjoy my astral travels even more. i have seen a great many of things, enjoyed the freedom of moving through space and time freely, and experienced life in other realities. once you open that can of worms, it never grows old....

in any case, your decision is yours to make, and i would not think less of anyone who decides to avoid consciously projecting. i just will not sit by and let people generate fear from something that is only as scary as you allow it to be, and will drain you from all your fears by throwing them in your face to be dealt with.

that's why i say the astral realm is what you make of it. any fear you bring into it will be amplified, not to make matters worse, but to bring to light fears inside of you that you are too eager to ignore.
you can choose to overcome the challenge or to succumb to fears and leave conscious astral forever- that is why it is indeed our right, but is a place you must earn your keep.

Who 'they'? It looks like there's zillion of beings around us, each one of them pretends to be whoever you expect them to be.

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Small potatoes.

I've been doing this naturally since I was a child, my peeps were doing this a thousand years ago. Even then, they knew people like you were useless.

And, ye still are today.

WTF does it matter if you see blue people?

Nothing you have experienced can be quantified.

Bring back the future, then maybe you and I can palaver.

Until then, enjoy your mental masturbation.

Absolutely. I am in complete agreement.

+1

If you haven't popped a shroom, that would be MY starting point. You need to be prepared to first grasp that optical visualizations (call them hallucinations) don't "happen to you"....

you happen to them.

without shrooms (but why?... easiest start - won't kill you)

meditate until your whole body becomes one with a giant humming and your ego disappears...

In fact, you haven't/can't experience this shit in depth without shedding your ego at least once... You'd be surprised how difficult it is!

If you have kids, it's much easier (I believe) - you've already had practice letting go of the I, I , I... for another's sake (another human). If you wake up everyday to "I" ... other things have to take place before you are granted access away from the familiar.

Familiar is how you've always coped...

There is nothing familiar about letting go of pride and desire and intent and free will... it's a step off of a cliff and the beginning of any experience profound feels JUST LIKE FALLING... that terror will wake you up every time.

shrooms don't leave you much choice... you will struggle to keep your ego or let go. If you let go, every journey will be easier after that... you will be a spritual wArrior!!

Or just a person on the path to knowledge!

(Tonto told me all of this)