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Beginning about a year ago I started becoming aware that I was being attacked by others who somehow or another were able to get inside my brain. At times I would think things that were totally uncharacteristic of me. I was offended by the thoughts entering my own mind! For reasons I will not get into I began to believe that these thoughts were being 'planted' in my brain via subliminal neurolinguistical programming and other mechanisms, dream inceptions, and what I can only describe as brute force attacks on my psychospiritual well being.

Now I made some horrible choices growing up and by the grace of God through our Lord Jesus Christ I was set free from some pretty horrible bondage and healed in a very powerful way. I walked with the Lord for some time and then found myself slipping back into old habits. As the scripture reads-I was attacked by 7 spirits worse than the first with lust and paranoia stemming from drugs & conspiracy research.

Around the middle of this past summer the Lord really set me free in a powerful way AGAIN! This goes to show that He is slow to anger, rich in kindness, loving, forgiving, faithful, and true, but I also experienced some pretty stern chastisement and disciplined which I am encouraged by because it means He loves me and has not turned away from me.

I think I am being attacked by spiritual entities. I have various symptoms ranging from thought patterns uncharacteristic of me, bizarre delusions, and psychosomatic symptoms such as feeling these non materials entities either hit me, or enter my body, or something. Oftentimes a loud sound will resonate within me and shake whatever it is out of me. This is merely a brief explanation of my experiences of the past year, as most of the things I have experienced are so far out there few would believe, and I'm not even sure what is true as I try to make sense of my life experiences in light of the strange occurrences which have played out over the past few years-this year in particular.

I used to be a social person able to go out and have a good time but this sudden change in me has caused me severe anxiety wherever I go.

I need to say that I do find much solace and relief from these symptoms when I pray and read the bible in isolation, but when I go to Church to worship I find myself experiencing terrible anxiety as I struggle with the terribly offensive, blasphemous, and oftentimes disgusting thoughts in my mind.

I need help, and I don't know what to do. I know I am not the only one who has experienced these things but I am not able to explain them entirely, but I have woken up to many disturbing realities recently. I continue to put my faith and hope in the Love of God-in Christ Jesus, but even when I pray I come under attack.

I have cut out most all sin in my life including drugs, pornography and masturbation, but I still struggle with letting go of cigarettes. The stress and anxiety from the experiences I have been through have caused me a sort of PTSD, but I believe I deserve worse for some of the things I've done in the past.

I am attacked in my dreams with people trying to put thoughts in my head-I've caught them-and while I am awake. They do things like associative programming which I have mentioned but one disturbing thing I find these abusers able to do is cause physical sensations in my body like tingling on my body (especially in my genital areas) and I feel extremely violated. It is like whoever is doing this to me has direct access to my brain and is able to stimulate certain parts of my brain to trigger these thoughts and sensations.

I have attempted in earnest to understand what is happening to me, and how it is happening (e.g. how it is physically possible), and have narrowed down to the possibility that this is either purely spiritual, purely technological, or a combination of both. I am convinced it is the latter. Am I 'chipped'? If so where is the chip (micro circuit/stimoceiver) and how do I remove it? Is this nano-particles? Dentistry? Are these particles in our water (sodium fluoride can be used to 'non-invasive remotely monitor glucose gradients in the body for example), food, air (chemtrails), etc? I am a seeker of truth and spend a lot of time trying to understand this so I can end my plight. Is this possible by electromagnetic waves alone? Cell phones, computers, televisions, radio towers, cell phone towers, satellite, HAARP, etc?

I am interested in answers, but more importantly I am interested in determining what I must do in order for this abuse to stop. It is like spiritual warfare, and I try to be equipped with the full Armor of God, yet this seems insufficient. I sometimes am so frustrated by my inability to stop these attacks that I want to lash out in anger, but as the Bible teaches us our anger can not make us pleasing to God. I want to learn how to protect myself, and maybe even be more proactive in warding off these attacks. Anyone with answers feel free to send me an e-mail: [email protected].

I don't expect this thread to receive much attention and wouldn't be surprised if I am banned again after posting it. I also wouldn't be surprised if it simply disappears. I hope someone can give me answers. Are we living in the tribulation?
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I almost wish the Lord would equip me to defeat these entities attacking me. I find that rebuking them in the blessed name of our Lord Jesus Christ is HIGHLY EFFECTIVE, and I pray that they would be bound and thrust into hell, but after a time-whether a short time, or a long time 'they' return. I also find a prayer to St. Michael the Archangel for protection helps.

Is there a way I can kill these demons for good?
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It's because religion has taken over. Before I was raised an atheist and later became a brother in Christ. I learned that almost everyone has some weird ass shit happen to them. I'm not a hard core Christian as I have seen what it did to others minds. I'm still free to choose and that is no more church for me and spiritually I feel better without church since!

Try that!

If you are a democrat or republican than that might be it also.

Good luck!
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Im sorry i have no real answer for you BUT as i was reading this each paragraph described alomost to a tee of what is happening in my life as well...ptsd, spiritual warfare, etc, etc. I just wanna let u know im going through the same shit. I highly doubt its a chip. Mine at least, its just wayyyy to spiritual and powerful with technology that no human will ever be able to acheive. Good luck bro, stay as positive as u can and have faith that Jesus Christ will guide u if u let him and listen to his advice. WWJD? Any decision that seems even a little sketchy.
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Thread: Thoth.. atlantian egyptian anunnaki 'Extra Terrestrial' - will be happy to answer questions.. (Page 5)
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Just say no to those attacks, Through Christ all things are possible.
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Many of us here are the same as you, OP
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"Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird."

Are we there yet? I suspect so. I have thought about getting very far from the nodes of the noosphere, or being a monk/hermit, but then I think-the Lord wouldn't want me to hided my light under a basket.

I was hoping some wise old Catholic mystic would be able to equip me for some real spiritual warfare, to fight back against these attacks in the astral effectively.
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I'm convinced technology is a significant factor in all of this, but I am not sure how 'they' can directly access my brain. I think they project astrally, or have little demon attachments that are using them as a host which they send off-occult stuff.

The other possibility I've considered is that they are both here in the physical, but primarily above in the metaphysical realm, which would suggest maybe we are living in the time of the war in Heaven.
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Are these your demons? Your not alone ,many U.S.citizens are experiencing it too
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Hillary is learning how to confront her demons.
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FOR EXAMPLE: If they could monitor your electromagnetic brain states using EEG, for example, while you are listening, or singing a song, then it would be possible to associate these brain states with words, both words heard, and spoken. By filtering out background noise using a random event generator and statistical measurements, for example, they are then able to read your brain. This is another thing I have experienced lately. The strange experience that people around me have direct access tom my thoughts.

Shouldn't this be illegal, or at least debated for its ethical ramifications?

The neurolinguistical techniques I have observed are a little more complex. An example:



What do you see? Homers carrying wood, marge is bent over holding her buttox, and there is a crane in the background. This may be a poor example, but they use these techniques to associates words/images (and those associated via extrapolations), which in the unconscious mind can create an association amongst the various stimuli. This example would be a sort of innuendo IMO. I hope I'm wrong-think about the children!
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I would like to experiment with an inverted faraday cage inside a traditional faraday cage would provide any protection from this intrusive experience.

One can not live in a box of course, so it may not be entirely practical, but for use in ones home for example.
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They are winning. You ask the wrong questions in your chaos. Embrace the situation and learn. There is a reason. A threat. Find it and use it.
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Beginning about a year ago I started becoming aware that I was being attacked by others who somehow or another were able to get inside my brain. At times I would think things that were totally uncharacteristic of me. I was offended by the thoughts entering my own mind! For reasons I will not get into I began to believe that these thoughts were being 'planted' in my brain via subliminal neurolinguistical programming and other mechanisms, dream inceptions, and what I can only describe as brute force attacks on my psychospiritual well being.

Now I made some horrible choices growing up and by the grace of God through our Lord Jesus Christ I was set free from some pretty horrible bondage and healed in a very powerful way. I walked with the Lord for some time and then found myself slipping back into old habits. As the scripture reads-I was attacked by 7 spirits worse than the first with lust and paranoia stemming from drugs & conspiracy research.

Around the middle of this past summer the Lord really set me free in a powerful way AGAIN! This goes to show that He is slow to anger, rich in kindness, loving, forgiving, faithful, and true, but I also experienced some pretty stern chastisement and disciplined which I am encouraged by because it means He loves me and has not turned away from me.

I think I am being attacked by spiritual entities. I have various symptoms ranging from thought patterns uncharacteristic of me, bizarre delusions, and psychosomatic symptoms such as feeling these non materials entities either hit me, or enter my body, or something. Oftentimes a loud sound will resonate within me and shake whatever it is out of me. This is merely a brief explanation of my experiences of the past year, as most of the things I have experienced are so far out there few would believe, and I'm not even sure what is true as I try to make sense of my life experiences in light of the strange occurrences which have played out over the past few years-this year in particular.

I used to be a social person able to go out and have a good time but this sudden change in me has caused me severe anxiety wherever I go.

I need to say that I do find much solace and relief from these symptoms when I pray and read the bible in isolation, but when I go to Church to worship I find myself experiencing terrible anxiety as I struggle with the terribly offensive, blasphemous, and oftentimes disgusting thoughts in my mind.

I need help, and I don't know what to do. I know I am not the only one who has experienced these things but I am not able to explain them entirely, but I have woken up to many disturbing realities recently. I continue to put my faith and hope in the Love of God-in Christ Jesus, but even when I pray I come under attack.

I have cut out most all sin in my life including drugs, pornography and masturbation, but I still struggle with letting go of cigarettes. The stress and anxiety from the experiences I have been through have caused me a sort of PTSD, but I believe I deserve worse for some of the things I've done in the past.

I am attacked in my dreams with people trying to put thoughts in my head-I've caught them-and while I am awake. They do things like associative programming which I have mentioned but one disturbing thing I find these abusers able to do is cause physical sensations in my body like tingling on my body (especially in my genital areas) and I feel extremely violated. It is like whoever is doing this to me has direct access to my brain and is able to stimulate certain parts of my brain to trigger these thoughts and sensations.

I have attempted in earnest to understand what is happening to me, and how it is happening (e.g. how it is physically possible), and have narrowed down to the possibility that this is either purely spiritual, purely technological, or a combination of both. I am convinced it is the latter. Am I 'chipped'? If so where is the chip (micro circuit/stimoceiver) and how do I remove it? Is this nano-particles? Dentistry? Are these particles in our water (sodium fluoride can be used to 'non-invasive remotely monitor glucose gradients in the body for example), food, air (chemtrails), etc? I am a seeker of truth and spend a lot of time trying to understand this so I can end my plight. Is this possible by electromagnetic waves alone? Cell phones, computers, televisions, radio towers, cell phone towers, satellite, HAARP, etc?

I am interested in answers, but more importantly I am interested in determining what I must do in order for this abuse to stop. It is like spiritual warfare, and I try to be equipped with the full Armor of God, yet this seems insufficient. I sometimes am so frustrated by my inability to stop these attacks that I want to lash out in anger, but as the Bible teaches us our anger can not make us pleasing to God. I want to learn how to protect myself, and maybe even be more proactive in warding off these attacks. Anyone with answers feel free to send me an e-mail: [email protected].

I don't expect this thread to receive much attention and wouldn't be surprised if I am banned again after posting it. I also wouldn't be surprised if it simply disappears. I hope someone can give me answers. Are we living in the tribulation?
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You need to realize that the reptillians are doing this to you. you need to tune your vibration so they cannot access you.
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please do not turn to the paradigm of "the lord and jesus" this is one of the reptillian paradigms! In fact they may be torturing you so you will submit to that particular paradigm for a specific reason.

They may have found in you a type of vunerability and so using what they can to manipulate you in that specific paradigm. it how they control.

Remember anything other than yourself as the authority, bascially comes from the reptillians. So watch out.
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What are the right questions?
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What are the right questions?
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It's because religion has taken over. Before I was raised an atheist and later became a brother in Christ. I learned that almost everyone has some weird ass shit happen to them. I'm not a hard core Christian as I have seen what it did to others minds. I'm still free to choose and that is no more church for me and spiritually I feel better without church since!

Try that!

If you are a democrat or republican than that might be it also.

Good luck!
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some of the best advice I have ever heard on here :)
i get on this site... way too much
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>have narrowed down to the possibility that this is either purely spiritual, purely technological

its all the same.. take it from someone with 17 years experience. it gets better with time. 1 year will be better, 2 years will be better. try to eat right, sleep, etc.
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What are the right questions?
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link please-no you tube here
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link please-no you tube here
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>what are the right questions


scroll down to get my post(s)
u need context, that is why I post the link..
Thread: Is there a reason that I can't find god. (Page 6)
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OP, I read all the replies to your original post. I can agree with a lot of the responses -- most of them even!

But I'd like a chance to put some of that into context, becauses I was going to reply with basically the same message.

We ARE in fact living in "those times", like what prophecy has fortold in the Bible. Heaven and Hell has litereally collided. You are experiencing brute force from an evil entity trying to take your soul by making you evil, by changing your mental characteristics.

The good spirits however, are in a very difficult position these days, battling a heck of a lot evil throughout the nations. They are a bit busy and are probably having a hard time doing their jobs efficiently. The Beast is in fact here and alive.

It doesn't help a whole lot either that you live in a very prosperous country, which happens to be full of lies, deceptions, corruption, etc....you are in the middle of say, the "Battle", and all you can do is watch i suppose but are still being effected in negative ways because of your assocation with the entities around you.

Like the Media. It's evil, very deceptive. But there are TV's and computers EVERYWHERE you go!

Like the one responder said -- embrace it, learn from it and, it WILL get better over time, most of us are going through the same thing, or HAVE ALREADY went through it and we embraced it and learned to deal with it, which certainly takes some time. But it will get easier over time, have faith in that OP.
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in a battle of demons no one is more powerful than jesus
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The Only way to win is to kill the evil inside your self. Thus you must face down your shadow self and kill off the demons within you.
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@OP, best piece of advice that I ever heard for things like this: how badly do you want, what you want?

Think about it.
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I almost wish the Lord would equip me to defeat these entities attacking me. I find that rebuking them in the blessed name of our Lord Jesus Christ is HIGHLY EFFECTIVE, and I pray that they would be bound and thrust into hell, but after a time-whether a short time, or a long time 'they' return. I also find a prayer to St. Michael the Archangel for protection helps.

Is there a way I can kill these demons for good?
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The Power of the Blood of Jesus Christ is THE weapon against evil. See here for instruction on spiritual warfare:

Read, memorize, use:

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We are the guides to our inner world. If we loose control, we are used like emotional prey -if we maintain control, you are no longer compatible as an easy target.

It is made difficult, so that you relinquish control, you must insist and command your inner world out of self respect.

if you have footholds or tendancies to exhaust yourself - be real with yourself - however crazy reality is - you are responsible for keeping house in reflection of it all.

acknowledging the irony and dramatic humor helps to difuse the situation, yet not caught up in hilarity, balance is eternally important, focus on how these issues made you feel in hindsight when similar things have happened before - release these tendencies and looping thought forms, they are not permitted in your energy field, these things that cause me trouble are no longer suitable, so these ideas have been exhausted and can leave elsewhere on its own wavelength to somewhere more suitable away from me forever.

and such habits will be met with the same disposition, insist and command your inner world.

believe it, and it is so, you have this say in your inner world.

when it strays from this, focus on balance, self respect, and maintain that vibe, believe it - and you will guide your inner world in the face of it all.

do things and find things that make you feel at ease, and occupy your life with peace.

much love and empathy bro
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Beginning about a year ago I started becoming aware that I was being attacked by others who somehow or another were able to get inside my brain. At times I would think things that were totally uncharacteristic of me. I was offended by the thoughts entering my own mind! For reasons I will not get into I began to believe that these thoughts were being 'planted' in my brain via subliminal neurolinguistical programming and other mechanisms, dream inceptions, and what I can only describe as brute force attacks on my psychospiritual well being.

Now I made some horrible choices growing up and by the grace of God through our Lord Jesus Christ I was set free from some pretty horrible bondage and healed in a very powerful way. I walked with the Lord for some time and then found myself slipping back into old habits. As the scripture reads-I was attacked by 7 spirits worse than the first with lust and paranoia stemming from drugs & conspiracy research.

Around the middle of this past summer the Lord really set me free in a powerful way AGAIN! This goes to show that He is slow to anger, rich in kindness, loving, forgiving, faithful, and true, but I also experienced some pretty stern chastisement and disciplined which I am encouraged by because it means He loves me and has not turned away from me.

I think I am being attacked by spiritual entities. I have various symptoms ranging from thought patterns uncharacteristic of me, bizarre delusions, and psychosomatic symptoms such as feeling these non materials entities either hit me, or enter my body, or something. Oftentimes a loud sound will resonate within me and shake whatever it is out of me. This is merely a brief explanation of my experiences of the past year, as most of the things I have experienced are so far out there few would believe, and I'm not even sure what is true as I try to make sense of my life experiences in light of the strange occurrences which have played out over the past few years-this year in particular.

I used to be a social person able to go out and have a good time but this sudden change in me has caused me severe anxiety wherever I go.

I need to say that I do find much solace and relief from these symptoms when I pray and read the bible in isolation, but when I go to Church to worship I find myself experiencing terrible anxiety as I struggle with the terribly offensive, blasphemous, and oftentimes disgusting thoughts in my mind.

I need help, and I don't know what to do. I know I am not the only one who has experienced these things but I am not able to explain them entirely, but I have woken up to many disturbing realities recently. I continue to put my faith and hope in the Love of God-in Christ Jesus, but even when I pray I come under attack.

I have cut out most all sin in my life including drugs, pornography and masturbation, but I still struggle with letting go of cigarettes. The stress and anxiety from the experiences I have been through have caused me a sort of PTSD, but I believe I deserve worse for some of the things I've done in the past.

I am attacked in my dreams with people trying to put thoughts in my head-I've caught them-and while I am awake. They do things like associative programming which I have mentioned but one disturbing thing I find these abusers able to do is cause physical sensations in my body like tingling on my body (especially in my genital areas) and I feel extremely violated. It is like whoever is doing this to me has direct access to my brain and is able to stimulate certain parts of my brain to trigger these thoughts and sensations.

I have attempted in earnest to understand what is happening to me, and how it is happening (e.g. how it is physically possible), and have narrowed down to the possibility that this is either purely spiritual, purely technological, or a combination of both. I am convinced it is the latter. Am I 'chipped'? If so where is the chip (micro circuit/stimoceiver) and how do I remove it? Is this nano-particles? Dentistry? Are these particles in our water (sodium fluoride can be used to 'non-invasive remotely monitor glucose gradients in the body for example), food, air (chemtrails), etc? I am a seeker of truth and spend a lot of time trying to understand this so I can end my plight. Is this possible by electromagnetic waves alone? Cell phones, computers, televisions, radio towers, cell phone towers, satellite, HAARP, etc?

I am interested in answers, but more importantly I am interested in determining what I must do in order for this abuse to stop. It is like spiritual warfare, and I try to be equipped with the full Armor of God, yet this seems insufficient. I sometimes am so frustrated by my inability to stop these attacks that I want to lash out in anger, but as the Bible teaches us our anger can not make us pleasing to God. I want to learn how to protect myself, and maybe even be more proactive in warding off these attacks. Anyone with answers feel free to send me an e-mail: [email protected].

I don't expect this thread to receive much attention and wouldn't be surprised if I am banned again after posting it. I also wouldn't be surprised if it simply disappears. I hope someone can give me answers. Are we living in the tribulation?
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As long as you consider it "warfare" it will continue.

Not everything has to be a life or death struggle, and not everything must be evil if you don't understand it.

Embrace Unconditional LOVE and let go.

By the way, you won't get banned for this. This is far too "subjective" for it to mean anything to any authorities of any type. As long as you have fear, they've got you just where they choose to. Therefore, it makes little sense for them to "validate" anything you have to say by banning you.

My guess is by tomorrow, this thread will still be here unless you have taken it down.

Last Edited by Serenity777 on 10/12/2012 04:05 AM
watching the "run up" to the elections and the "hopes and dreams" that are built as a result is like watching a dead mouse that is still able to make his exercise wheel go around because his nerves are still twitching that familiar motion...





GLP