A Metaphysical and Spiritual Perspective Concerning The Outcome Of The Election. | |
gogeta 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thats and interesting, albeit long read. I have had to make a conscious effort to keep going this month, even before the election. Some of the points she makes are interesting. What are your thoughts on GW being creature of light Cro? |
CroWoman 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some of the points she makes are interesting. What are your thoughts on GW being creature of light Cro?<<< A creature? No doubt! Of light? Ahem........?!?!?!? Seriously though...I do believe that everything that is created has a spark of the divine....a spark of the light......and that aspect is always in perfection. I can at least conceptualize if not always realize that this earth realm is truly an illusion and a shadow of the spirit.....and the idea that ´All the world is a stage´..... What are your thoughts, Gogeta? |
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CroWoman 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you go 3 days without ranting about the election?<<< This would make you happy? Prepare to be unhappy. I am your worst -NIGHTMARE-! I will not be silent where I see injustice anywhere. Get over it! Get used to it! Deal! |
SickLilBitch 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you´re so completely sure that all is on the up and up AC, you´ll have no issues with anything anyone else has to say as it won´t really make a difference will it. Your insistence that Cro or anyone else who questions the validity of this and the state of our country is very telling... |
gogeta 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think everybody serves some purpose on this earth. Some people unify directly or indirectly, and others divide, directly or indirectly. One could argue that Bush is the spark that unifies the country, or at least part of it. In the grander scheme of things, who can say what would have happened if Bush would have made different decisions? What if the true ramifications of what Bush has done, will be revealed at a later date? For instance, assume we finish up in Iraq, and in 4 or 5 years, they have a working government, the children have shots and food, and education is better in the schools for them. Would that justify Bush? Or to look down another path, assume GW did nothing and allowed the UN to stonewall and control. Then assume, Saddam was able to continue working on a nuclear program. They encounter a cherynobyl type incident and 90% of the population is killed. I don´t think as humans, we have the ability to judge anybody based on our perceptions. I am guilty of it but I try hard not to be. No matter how hard we try, we can´t see the end results of actions or reactions. I am willing to wait and see what his purpose is, and history will show if he is indeed a creature of light or darkness. In conclusion(sorry for the long post) I am determined to live my life to the fullest that I can. I plan on enjoying each moment. I have let to many things get me down this year, and am trying to not let that happen any more. Something is coming in the future that will be a testing and trying time for all mankind, not just Americans. Either by Biblical terms, Native American prohesy, or the gut feeling that most of us have, but refuse to acknowledge, it will happen. |
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Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Crow: "Can you go 3 days without ranting about the election?<<< This would make you happy?" No, but it might make you happy. "Prepare to be unhappy. I am your worst -NIGHTMARE-! I will not be silent where I see injustice anywhere." Your have a selective view of injustice. Bush Won. Get over it. BTW, I voted for Kerry. |
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CroWoman 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For instance, assume we finish up in Iraq, and in 4 or 5 years, they have a working government, the children have shots and food, and education is better in the schools for them. Would that justify Bush?<<< Back to the earthly realm, Gogeta....you are forgetting one, small but important fact... We didn´t go in to Iraq with an altruistic premise of ´Nation Building´ nor to *liberate* the Iraqi citizens...we went based on the premise that Iraq qas a clear and direct threat to the US citizens and that Saddam had WMDs and a direct link to the *terrorist* attack on the WTC. |
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gogeta 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Back to the earthly realm, Gogeta....you are forgetting one, small but important fact... We didn´t go in to Iraq with an altruistic premise of ´Nation Building´ nor to *liberate* the Iraqi citizens...we went based on the premise that Iraq qas a clear and direct threat to the US citizens and that Saddam had WMDs and a direct link to the *terrorist* attack on the WTC." I never said we went in to Nation Build. My question is would those end results justify it. Could you find the good in that. I know the reasons as well as anybody. My first cousin was one of the first ones over there, and one of my friends I have known since 1st grade is still over there. I try to find any good that I can from situations. |
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gogeta 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Gogeta....that is a nice thought and forgive me for being crude....but you are blowing sunshine out of your ass when you discount that this is part of a larger, PNAC agenda for Global domination. : )" What wrong with optimism? Uhm, whats PNAC? |
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Beast 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ´m not afraid Of anything in this world There´s nothing you can throw at me That I haven´t already heard I´m just trying to find A decent melody A song that I can sing In my own company I never thought you were a fool But darling look at you You gotta stand up straight Carry your own weight These tears are going nowhere baby You´ve got to get yourself together You´ve got stuck in a moment And now you can´t get out of it Don´t say that later will be better Now you´re stuck in a moment And you can´t get out of it I will not forsake The colors that you bring The nights you filled with fireworks They left you with nothing I am still enchanted By the light you brought to me I listen through your ears Through your eyes I can see And you are such a fool To worry like you do I know it´s tough And you can never get enough Of what you don´t really need now My, oh my You´ve got to get yourself together You´ve got stuck in a moment And you can´t get out of it Oh love, look at you now You´ve got yourself stuck in a moment And you can´t get out of it I was unconscious, half asleep The water is warm ´til you discover how deep I wasn´t jumping, for me it was a fall It´s a long way down to nothing at all You´ve got to get yourself together You´ve got stuck in a moment And you can´t get out of it Don´t say that later will be better Now you´re stuck in a moment And you can´t get out of it And if the night runs over And if the day won´t last And if our way should falter Along the stony pass And if the night runs over And if the day won´t last And if your way should falter Along this stony pass It´s just a moment This time will pass U2 or not ;) |
CroWoman 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nothing wrong with optimism but it should be grounded in reality. : ) What is PNAC? The NeoCON think tank, Project for the New American Century, from the 90s that includes members such as Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Jeb...among others in the Bush Admin who advocate for Global Domination. Part of their plan has always been to oust Saddam and to gain control over the Middle East and their resources. |
CroWoman 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PNAC is also the very same group who suggested that they would need something like another Pearl Harbor to get the American public and Congress behind their wars in the ME. Since that statement....it has come out in the media that Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen and for the very same reasons that 911 has benefitted the Bush Admin so well. |
gogeta 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ahh. Not up to date on all NWO, TPTB world organization conspiracies right now. Thats the good part about this board(usually). We can disagree but still communicate without being nasty. I will just hold onto some optimism right now. It is better for me that way. Even if, as you say, it is not grounded in reality. |
CroWoman 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gogeta, this isn´t a GLP conspiricy, PNAC is real and what I told you exists and is from their mouths, not mine. Here is a link to their website if you would like to skim it for yourself: [link to www.newamericancentury.org] ***edit: June 3, 1997 Statement of Principles signed by: Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen, Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes, Aaron Friedberg, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel, Paul Wolfowitz [link to www.newamericancentury.org] |
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Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It Wasn’t Just The Christian Right. But it is now. By Laura Spero In the six days since the election, most of us in the blue northeast have moved from disbelief to shock to a settling grief. People are coming to work wearing black. Some of us are angry, but mostly we are still too dumbfounded to really get worked up. We got worked up during Bush’s first term, and were positively frantic by election day…now we are just amazed. HOW could this happen? It’s a question Democrats need to ask themselves, and not just because it’s the only thing they can think of at the moment. The political landscape in this country has reached some sort of climax—one we will only understand in the context of history—with the results of Tuesday’s election, it is poised to go careening in a dramatically new direction. If Democrats want to have sway in the route that American politics will take in the future, they’d better figure out how this happened. The most obvious answer is to point to the conservative religious right, which has mobilized tremendously under Bush. This unique political climate has evolved not as a de-localized slide to the right averaging out to a new center; rather, the right has simply leapt off to the ultra-right, with conservatives gaining control of the Republican party, and the left is now standing here alone like a snubbed date, asking, HOW? But there’s more to it than extreme conservatism. Let’s not make the mistake of saying, “All those religious fanatics have taken over the country!” I can’t say I know any authentic religious right-wing conservatives in Maryland , but I still know plenty of people who voted for Bush. Leading up to the election, I made a point of trying to tally their views and understand just how they could choose to vote for George W. Bush, and I came up with some rough trends. First, there are rich people who want to be richer. No big news there. They can share a paragraph with corporate people who want to be more corporate. Second, there are single-issue voters. Many of these also come from that wing of religious conservatives—pro-Lifers, anti-Gay rights. But there are also one-issue gun owners; one-issue tax cutters. The biggest, undoubtedly, are the one-issue Israel voters. I know intelligent, kind, environmentally conscious, gun-opposed individuals who believe that if we don’t protect Israel, nobody will—and someone will always stand up for the environment if it gets bad enough, right? Third, there are smart people who are economic conservatives and “just can’t vote for a liberal like Kerry.” These people have always voted Republican, and they despise Bush, but they cannot abide a president who is going to spend all this time on social welfare and federal aid for the oppressed. This is the group I find hardest to understand, because it is clear as day that Bush is no economic conservative in practice; moreover, this group of voters is tuned-in enough to understand the atrocities by which this administration should have been evaluated. To be fair, this group also accounts for many of the folks who broke from a lifetime of Republican voting and reluctantly went Democratic. Finally, there are the casualties of a brilliant Republican political campaign. We in the true blue states tend to think (mistakenly) that this group, along with religious conservatives, account for all of Bush’s supporters. Swing voters who ultimately thought that Kerry was too wishy-washy or that the country needed steadfast defending. Bush’s appeal to these people was holistic: it was an image, a sense. Maybe it was a sense of protection (built upon a carefully instilled sense of fear), maybe a sense of admiration (for Bush as a regular guy who doesn’t talk all presidential). But most of all, that image was a sense of great pride and purpose in the American Way , which George W. Bush has deemed sacred. Not Christian—God in so many letters offends too many people, and you certainly can’t go around the world spreading God. But Freedom and Democracy, there’s nothing offensive about spreading those, and Bush convinced many people that America has a sacrosanct duty to do just that. When you can put God in your apple pie and eat it too—you get all the Godliness, none of the God, and a really good piece of pie. And when you add up all these groups of people—the religious right, the wealthy (but not wealthy enough), the one-issue voters, the intellectual economic conservatives, and the people who like the idea of “spreading freedom” too much to consider how one goes about such a task, you’ve got a lot of people. Apparently. But what’s really worth noticing is that this collection of voter-pools is not especially conservative. The conservative right might have tipped Bush over the edge, but he was not elected by an ultra-conservative populace. And perhaps that is what we in “liberal” America are sensing as we stare at each other speechlessly, unable to articulate our horror. That the country is about to go in a wildly new direction that most people don’t really agree with. If you add up the “sacrifices” that each of Bush’s constituencies was willing to “live with” for the sake of some other interest, and you get a President who, on the whole, holds a lot of views that we are going to live with. |
gogeta 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Gogeta, this isn´t a GLP conspiricy, PNAC is real and what I told you exists and is from their mouths, not mine." Never said it was. Merely stated I wasn´t up to date on what is what. Thanks for the link. Browsed through it briefly, will go back and look through it in depth later. |
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The ideas in the original post sound like the kind of stuff some of the agents over at RMNews pedal in order to justify Bush or try to make him out to be an agent for good in some convoluted, twisted way. On some level, yes, even the most heinous evil is "good" because it works together with all other energies toward some ultimate spiritual endgame. But recognizing that possibility doesn´t equate to endorsing, approving, aligning with, or minimizing the likes of G.W.Bush. |