Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

First Middle
I assume your talking about getting a ticket. Prior to leaving your driveway. Get a new license, I lost mine.

Sign the new license First Middle

All rights reserved, When asked for a DL, Tell them you are not giving it to them as a form of ID but only to show you are competent to operate a motor vehicle. Then promptly sent the ticket to the authoring agency with big RED letter written accross. REFUSED FOR CAUSE. A ticket is an offer to contract and you have 72 hrs to refuse the contract even after its signed by you. You might think about signing the ticket REDEEMED IN LAWFUL MONEY also sk

If you read the thread you will see that I got two tickets and handled them this way. I have no warrants and have not paid said tickets and its been about 2 years. sk

708 probably has a lot more experience in this regard than me and perhaps he can add to it.

Check out the "Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1783".

The reason the Federal Government was kicked out of the Republic was because it refused to pay the men who fought against the King in Gold or silver coin (lawful money).

Also, lots of good information on the history of national banking here:

[link to www.goldensextant.com]

There are clearly new posters here who have not read the thread.

So, for the record, I am not anti-Federal reserve nor do I question the national debt.

I simply do not believe I can lawfully be forced to pay debts and obligations I did not create nor do I endorse or accept as mine.

Nor can I be forced to do business with anyone I do not trust, be that Government or a private Bank. Thats it.

[link to i2.cdn.turner.com]

There is no more obvious proof of the 2 faced note than the new 100.

The separation of the 2 notes is so clearly marked that there in nothing about the clearly titled "FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE" on the left side.

The "ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS" is even separated completelyand only printed on the US Treasury Note to the right of the face.

Also, as on all US Treasury notes, the note on the right side is well over 50% of the Note, also notice the actual metal in the lower right hand corner of the US Treasury note.

There is no question which note is which. EVEN TO THE BLIND.

This new note puts to rest any question in my mind as to the validity of 2 faced NOTE. Which note are you using and how can you prove it?

That picture is very interesting, to say the least.

I wonder why they changed the design after so many years of not delineating the "two bills in one" as you claim.

Is the dual bill theory a new development?

For those that say that redeeming lawful money isn't working and is unrecognized the government. Take a look at the latest
DETAIL OF TREASURY SECURITIES OUTSTANDING, JUNE 30, 2011 -

[link to www.treasurydirect.gov]

Quote from page 11

Other Debt:
Not Subject to the Statutory Debt Limit:

United States notes ............................239

National and Federal Reserve Bank Notes assumed by the United States on deposit of lawful money for their retirement .................................................65


Silver Certificates (Act of June 24, 1967)......172
172
Other........................................... 11
Total Not Subject to the Statutory Debt Limit...487

foot note #14 Excludes $29 million National Bank Notes issued prior to July 1, 1929, and $2 million Federal Reserve Bank Notes issued prior to July 1, 1929, determined
pursuant to Act of June 30, 1961, 31 U.S.C. 5119 to have been destroyed or irretrievably lost

The 2 faced note is new (since about the late 90's with the advent of the "big head" notes, and frankly, it is better.

Having 2 different Notes for thousands of banks across the nation is a logistical nightmare. And in fact, proved so by the 200 years of physical redemption for separate notes (Red seals, Blue seals, National bank notes, internal notes, et al).

The 2 faced notes are a brilliant solution, the "US Reserve Treasury notes" do not get hoarded for their value as collector notes, they do not get check out clerks at stores/businesses confused by not matching every other note in their till, etc.

More importantly, it lets me, the redeemer of lawful money keep a detailed and easy to confirm RECORD of my demand and use of lawful money in all my personal business.

With my demand for redemption on every bank or cash transaction, there is no question of my actions, intentions or anything else. No need to get 'special notes' which are in limited supply and even more limited demand.

It also hides remedy better because, like the poster on this thread, people think that they must the super awesome US Bank note to be acting lawfully. It only took the money changers 200 years to figure it out how to print, circulate, and hide those notes for the least amount of work and cost with the highest degree of concealment.

Lines on paper maps have defined law, peace, war, legal territory, possession and controlled Nations for thousands of years, those same lines on paper clearly can define and separate 2 legal tender notes on one piece of linen paper.

I'm stunned! All these years studying the fed and G Edward hasn't made this connection? WTF?

[link to www.youtube.com]

He got the answer right about the coins. Maybe someone should bring him up to speed on what is on this thread?

BUMP, cause I am still learning from the discussions on this thread.

Hi, M nice to see you around. You don't post much in the brain group. Those guy confuse me. lol. Still learning to. But at least you speak english in this thread. sk

Hello F, hope all is well with you. I still read and post some over there, lots of good new developments going on with the I R S and Art. III cases. I like to keep things basic and simple.

That report I found on US Notes NOT adding to the National Debt was pretty concrete evidence of what we have known for a long time and WHY this is so important for people to know.

There are some over there who still think the 2 faced note thing is a theory of mine, but that new 100 pretty much puts that to rest for me. Maybe a thread over there on that would be nice???

It seems our friend here does not want to discuss US Note physical redemption any more, or call us names.

Now where is my bottle of snake oil...

M

I am attempting to bring the redemption process down to simple level so that All may benefit. Not just the lofty ones who can afford to spend 10 years studying law, and devise trust systems and understanding that are as complicated as the laws, statutes and code that we are trying to unshackle ourselves from. Hence my last post to the brain trust. Any thoughts. fB

I am glad to see that great new example got over here for discussion!

[link to img836.imageshack.us]
[link to www.treasurydirect.gov]

Here is more to think upon!


[link to imageshack.us]

[link to img845.imageshack.us]

Nice of you to drop in. And thanks for the links. sk

lawful money bump for the win!

Thanks for the bump

EXACTLY Seeker2.

This is what I have been arguing all along with you and 708. Lawful money is held for redemption at the Treasury.

Now, show me a commercial bank which has LAWFUL money held on their books for redemption. I already showed the FED did, and you have shown the Treasury...SURPRISE! Just WHERE 12USC411 REQUIRES redemption to take place.

Wonder how 708 will spin that one?

No spin required, I believe it shows that the redemption process is working and that those of us who have been redeeming lawful money is showing up on the balance sheets. sk

No spin required because the DEMAND for redemption is the issue, not the physical demand.

I have been told, but cannot verify, that at the regional level, there is an accounting of "lawful money demands" from the local banks recorded and reported to the FED and the Treasury.

That is what is being proved with the paper I provided. It is also proof there are actual "lawful money retirement accounts" which have nothing to do with the redemption demand I am talking about.

My question is WHO has those accounts and how did they get them?

I am not the one "spinning" by the way, I have already told you to go and demand your redemption "at" the Treasury or Federal Reserve, until you actually DO IT, you are "spinning" cause I am doing it at many banks and the IRS recognizes that fact.

You have had time to do it, but you just keep posting the same BS that has been proven wrong.

Thanks for the bump though.

New developments.

1. US Treasury notes are not "elastic currency".
2. US Treasury notes cannot be used "as a reserve currency" by Federal Law.
3. If a payment of Redeemed US Notes is tendered and accepted as payment. It remains "redeemed lawful money" and CANNOT be used as "reserve currency". If said amount and payment is included in normal deposits into a bank and fractionalised, the crime of "counterfeiting currency" has occurred.

Malfeasance and nonfeasance penalties also apply. :)

That crime is committed every time redeemed lawful money is used as a "reserve currency" or treated as such by Local, state and Federal Government agents and bank employees.

The US treasury agents and/pr Secret Service have jurisdiction over such cases and these crimes will be reported.

For those who watch these threads for intel gathering, you should inform those agents of Government their treatment of Redeemed lawful money is being watched, recorded and we will report your crimes to proper Federal and State Treasury agents.

Consider this "PUBLIC NOTICE".

By the way, US notes (redeemed per 12-USC 411 cannot be "refused" as payment, since they are, as issued, Lawful money.

End of NOTICE.

Thanks for the update.

bump

More resources:

[link to www.lockeanliberty.org]

Thanks for the link. sk

Great link, thank you!!