Those bible projections are from Lucifer........NOT God!

Ok fine

Just understand this

You Ones will learn very soon about great deception

Maybe you could start a different thread and share your opinions? I would be interested in reading them.
thanks.

Thats not fully true of both of you. The saviour Jesus came to show us what we have to do in order to break the cycle of death. We are being born all over again and tested numerous times in many lives. Once we reach the level of Christ then we will be free. This is the true salvation. But I agree on many things you wrote OP. Still, I follow Christ caue of the things I know and learned

Peace

Actually, I haven't had a chance to watch THAT movie yet......so I really can't comment upon it! Sorry.....

Yes, I think you are on the right track: I've heard it said that "Death is the last temptation"!

My Teacher's have taught me that ALL death comes as a result of "negative impact"......whether it be from another sending at you, or from one's self sending out negativity that return magnified.

Also, I've heard that there is a man in India who is over a 1000 years only, but still looks like a teenager. He says however, that most of his time is spent in meditation in order to maintain zero stress.

So yes, I believe that if we can overcome "negative impact", then we can overcome death.......especially since this picture show is nothing more than an illusion to begin with! :)

Yes, she means a "space craft".......and believe it or not: EVERYONE(who is souled) visits a craft during their bodies sleep cycle at night, to sort out their daily activities!

But for most of us, we are unable to remember this visit; due to the compression of this dimension.(myself included)

P.S......that's one of the reasons why we awake in the mornings, feeling refreshed!

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Actually, "Growth" is simply the process of changing one's perceptions........so we look forward to shinning a Light on the deceptions of men! :)

I agree!

But the "level of Christ" is the "Christ Light" within.......not the Man Jesus!

......And MANY have already reached THAT level now! :)

it seems to me that those who knowingly work evil are held back, if you will, having not learned they do not progress for existence upon existence. kind of like being kept in 3rd grade for eons. not exactly a punishment per se but certainly an impetus to learn good....hope i didn't intrude

Wrong and you are a damn liar!

You are in a program aren't you?

do you work on the air for base?

Yes.......excellent description of the way things really are!

Thanks david! :)

LOL.....I seem to have struck a nerve!?!

....And if anyone is "programmed", I would say it is you........by that book of yours(the bible).......right?

And no, I don't "work on the air"........nor do I work for "base"! lol

Don't hide it obe, we know you're black ops.....lol

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LOL.......NO, I'm "white ops"! ;)

Thats racist

Ok, then I'm "rainbow ops".....? lol

Ok, I think we are getting waaay off topic now....lol

Skittles ops? lol.....

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Religion is the definition of the "fall of man". Religion creates the very thing that most want to avoid.

Religion condemns Nature, the Nature of man kind, Adam, both the male and female. The Creator says 'it is very good', but religion has found fault.

I was raised in religion, devoted for most of my life, and it wasn't until I realized that I had believed a lie did I recognize that the vile treatment I had received from my christian family was the result of religion. I began at that moment to search for answers.

I've found many answers. For one, I now understand that the savior and the destroyer are one and the same. I think most christians would agree, right?

However, this doesn't indicate that christianity has any idea of what's going on here. There is an 'air' of superiority that reeks to the high heavens in many of those who believe the literal, religious interpretation of the bible.

It's religion that will be destroyed.....the end of wars and rumors of war. The end of suffering and condemnation, and those who claim to be the chosen.

This system is beyond repair. Just as this thread so clearly demonstrates. It's impossible to put new wine in old wineskins. There have been many worlds here already, as archeology has evidence to prove.

This one also will pass away. Religion will be removed, wiped clean from the mind [consciousness] of man, never to be experienced again. We learn the hard way, the only way thru experience.

New age? You betcha. Division being remembered as in some distant long ago scenario. The only thing that ever dies is Ego [flesh], ignorance of who we are, and why it was necessary to experience.

Ascension is well underway. It's not for just a few but for all who are awaking, becoming aware of god consciousness, and understanding that all along we've been experiencing our own creation as our personal reality.

We're close, because that so-called gospel has been preached all over this world......all will have had a taste of what it produces. Then the end will come.

The end of us? Far from it......the end of religion, condemnation, clinging to an illusion as though it had material value. The end of suffering and fear of death.

This should cause all of us to rejoice. However, it may not be pleasant for some who are clinging to a phantom that's been created thru religion.

The only Jesus that ever existed is the one within OUR own being, the tomb of our own mind.....The only thing that dies on a cross is the Ego.

The Creator is LOVE........enough already.

Exactly! Religion destroy sovereignty!!! :(

"It is the Opiate of the people...."


P.S: Thanks for the entire piece......it was well worth the read!

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I haven't been on this forum in soooo long, and I recall exchanging enjoyable discussions with you a long time ago. (I had a different board name back then but changed it as there was another person who used it who didn't log in.) I like your description of this. In my own experience (which is always up for debate, adds to this by currently observing that the world by nature/creation is made of a larger percent of negative/dark energy and this is what becomes difficult to overcome. It's like the biological and chemical default component, making it challenging to stay in a more positive balance or alignment.

Interesting story about the man from India. I can see how he'd have to spend much of his time in meditation to maintain the zero stress level. I was in India in '07 and their culture caters more to people who might choose this path. He likely has people from the area bringing him food and items he might need. Initially I had planned to spend quite a bit of time in a cave meditation there, and a number of people told me that the surrounding people cater to those who choose that path and help them make it possible to pursue. Of course it was easier if I had money to give them to help them. Myself, I have rearranged, altered much through meditation and it's not non-doable, but it's not really easy to fight the cultural programs either. In this way it seems that death is a highly cultured program. It seems to me, and this is likely just my own path stuff, that my attraction to (read: obsession, lol) to why I’m interested in accomplishing these challenges, or taking them on, is more important now than actually accomplishing or experiencing these challenges. For example, since I returned from India I had to sort out my trip and the reason I made it and had a very life changing experience causing me to now ask myself why I want to play the game of ‘beat the clock’ or ‘overcome ___’ fill in the blank, or ‘achieve ___’ also fill in the blank. Yes it is an illusion, yet why are we interested in challenging that illusion when it is only just an illusion? Answers may vary for everyone.

I had a question, but I think I just answered it. I was going to ask that you say the negative picture show is the illusion, then what of the positive experience, but I went on your phoenix journals link last night and read just a little on it and the response just came to mind when I answered it. I read one of the segments (paraphrasing) positive (light,white energy?) is the only ‘real’ source and the negative (dark energy?) is not a part of the non-earth format. I didn’t read the part where the journal mentions it’s opinion as to why people are having this experience. Does it say? I guess that’s an age-old human question….. why am I here. Or more often….. whhyyyyyy……aaaaaam……I…….heeeeerrrrreeeee!!!!!!!!

Sorry so long, but I couldn’t fit it in one sentence as so many of the forum posters manage to have one sentence conversations.

So according to you obe, when I die, will Ireincarnate? There is no "Heaven"?

I would prefer not to come back to earth, or the physical realm for that matter!

The bible has a similar concept....
1Cast your bread upon the waters, for after many days you will find it again. 2Give portions to seven, yes to eight, for you do not know what disaster may come upon the land.

Many people have wondered what is meant by “Cast your bread upon the water, and you will find it.” Well, it is An old Hebrew Idiom meaning to give to charity and it will be returned to you.

Life has cause and effect.

[link to www.scripturestudies.com]

There are two major opinions concerning the literal meaning of verse 1: "Cast your bread upon the waters, for after many days you will find it again." Some believe it refers to maritime commerce, advising to send ships selling grain out to many different ports, for some are bound to gain success. Others believe it refers to casting seed on the shallow areas of a river, with the hope that some will take root. Whatever the literal meaning, the figurative lesson seems to be that a daring, seemingly foolish, distribution of your assets will yield returns in the future.

That's interesting.
I have always felt that my husband was held back from progress - stuck in one cycle - over and over and he couldn't get out of it. I have always had an inner idea, where it came from I don't know, that I wanted to help him get past that as it was so painful to watch. (I'm a bit of a help-the-wounded-duck kind of person which I'm looking at releasing). This makes sense to me.

I believe this as well.

The savior concept is a creation of whom?

It is a fear tactic of great proportions which muddles the person from getting down to the real work of getting any real info or lessons out of the experience – opting to just quickly get rid of it by giving it to Jesus. On the whole there isn’t a sufficient “owning” of the ‘problem’ in order to get any real personal identification lesson out of it. It by-passes the method of introspection in ways needed by jumping right to getting rid of it all by giving it to someone else to deal with. In many cases the hope of being saved is enough to appease the torment within, but it’s not actually beneficial. In some cases the person feels a great euphoria and a change due to the release of it – but again, they are holding onto an erroneous belief of being saved and the issue loops back to an lesser degree of awareness as they look outside themselves. It can be beneficial when a person recognizes they’ve done something that has been harmful, but it ends there looping one back to Savior/religion which will not get it out of that cycle which is not as productive as other avenues. That was the design of religion all along. Give a person some help, make them feel good if it can and then loop them back to no real beneficial evolvement on a larger scale. They opt for a small benefit which actually is designed to stagnate rather than getting a larger benefit.

I recall when I was coming out of a man-made cultish organization and pondering on asking Jesus for help with it. I prayed and begged and pleaded Jesus to help me understand this so I could follow him and do what he wanted me to do. I took my car to the most wonderful look-out point on top of a hill, overlooking a valley with a river winding below between the hills. I prayed more fervently and suddenly I felt a presence outside my car. It was blasting wind, but I got out of the car. An entire ‘situation’ where I experienced a communication with a man named Jesus happened. He stood beside me and said, Don’t follow me….follow your own path, not mine. You were always supposed to follow your own path.

This was a call to go within and look within, not outside in the manner I had been taught and trained through religion. have analyzed what happened many times from atheist perspectives, from all kinds of angles, and have decided that regardless of what caused the experience the main thing is that I got the message.

That message completely dissolved so many other issues attached to the cult, and religion in general, and freed me up in a very unusual way which I hadn’t before experience. Instantly the idea of a savior dying on a cross for my sins was obliterated from my mind. In one instant an entire volume of information flooded into me. It was in complete odds with what I had been taught in the bible, but that didn’t matter. …..then came the challenge of unraveling all the other lies I had been taught. OY! What a journey! Releasing the fear has been the hardest thing and the most rewarding. That’s why the religions teach using intense fear, shame doctrines….. fear binds the lies and keeps people stuck in erroneous ideas, dead end roads and a lack of taking personal responsibility.

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The original definition of "heaven" was "sky"......so yes there is a heaven......but not necessarily like most Christians would think of it!

....And who says you need to die anyways Evan? You???

"The Sins of our Fathers seem to still be upon the heads of their children"........for did our Fathers not teach us to die? :(

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Yes, as THIS picture show is the illusion, then what is the reality? The reality is the "emotion"(Energy in Motion) that is behind the causing of the pictures that are in our picture show.

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Thank you for sharing that experience with me 'gypsy'.......it brought tears to my eyes!

Oh how I wish ALL could have such an experience as THAT.....and yet, I somehow KNOW, that when the time is right: THEY WILL! :)

For everything has its OWN "sequence of events".......and each must cross their own bridge as it unfolds! :)

Thanks again.....you really touched my heart this day!

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Then I will just have to create heaven for myself for when I die. I really don't want to reincarnate. I want to rest as just my soul.

And you, oh wicked, true concubines of satan, even you wicked vipers who do shake your fists at Heaven and spit at The King, The Holy One... Come and hiss at My chosen, the redeemed from among men, the first fruits to My glory in Christ, and you shall be brought down to hell!... Which is death and the grave. For from the dust had I formed you, you broken vessels of great dishonor, and to the dust shall you return!