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How do you face having to acknowledge that we now have a new world wide indiscriminate mass killer amongst us.

With the help of the World Health Organization and the Saudi Arabian Health Authorities it now looks like the MERS-cov from that region has achieved a state that will see it become an international pandemic killer of untold proportions.

Potentially millions dead, if not billions.

This coronavirus has no vaccines available to defend against.

Just a handfull of days ago we reported here that there had been a fresh case identified in France of a person who had travelled to Saidi Arabis and returned home to be confirmed with this infection.

Now we have three positive cases being confirmed in France, leaving absolutely no doubt that this coronavirus is H2H transmissible as previously demonstrated in England within a family setting, and also now in Saudi Arabia with treating medical staff affected.

With this coronavirus now loose in Europe, and the Arabian Peninsular, the only hope that the world might have would be to raise serious alarms and to severely discourage any and all travel to the Arabian Peninsular until we hear that this bug has burnt itself out which at this point in time is looking very unlikely.

Also with no travel warnings frothcoming from the World Health Organization, which any responsible authority should be advertising wideley in all media outlets at this point in time.

Alarms should be screaming loud and long everywhere, so why isnt this happening?

SARS killed several hunderd people, this MERS-cov from the Arabian Peninsular is possibly 50 times more lethal than SARS was.

We simply do not have the medical facilities available to accomodate the sheer numbers of people who will require massive long term intensive medical intervention for us to have any hope that this planet might be able to manage even a significant increase with this illness let alone anything that might even approach a full blown pandemic.

We wont even have the capacity to dig enough graves quickly enough to give victims a decent burial.

There are three links below that show the rapid unfolding of the French situation.

As these are just early days, we should be preparing ourselves for more devestating news over the next few weeks unless those who we used to trust can get their acts back together and make some attempt to limit this terrifying situation from developing further.

But be warned, dont count on that happening.

Its probably already too late.

What the hell have they done to us?

God help us all.

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I dont wish to distract in any way the grave situation that I wrote in my last post with what is current with the MERS-cov, but just to add insult to injury, the Chinese situation continues to advance with more people testing positive and a previously positive case succuming to this other H7N9 threat to the worlds welfare.

I have to admit that all this recent news has me terrified and to be honest I am doing a lot of soul searching at present as Im not convinced that I want to be the bearer of such horrific news.

It makes me feel totally impotent, dirty and completely depressed, enough to say I want out of it.

arkay.

Here is the lates update available.

As of 8 May 2013 (11:00 CET), the National Health and Family Planning Commission, China notified WHO of an additional laboratory-confirmed case of human infection with avian influenza A(H7N9) virus. The patient is a 79-year-old woman from Jiangxi province who became ill on 3 May 2013. Additionally, a patient earlier reported has died.

To date, a total of 131 laboratory-confirmed cases of human infection with avian influenza A(H7N9) virus including 32 deaths have been reported to WHO. Contacts of the confirmed cases are being closely monitored.


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09 May 2013 Avian influenza, human (74): China H7N9 update

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The World Health Organization is finally acknowledging what the rest of the world has known regarding the number of cases of people who have been affected with MERS-cov.

They however continue to withold all the other information that would greatly assist medical experts in their efforts to identify the sourcse of this deadly disease, that is looking ever more likely to go pandemic at any time now.

There also appears to be significant gaps in the actual number of cases being reported and based on the WHO's and Saudi Arabian authorities less than open handling of this outbreak that fact is likely to be a further attempt to downplay the real situation with this outbreak in Saudi Arabia.

With four cases now positive in France attention will shift from the primary source sufficiently to allow authorities to reveal more at later times and to appear less complicit in their actions.

WHO Cites Hospital Linked MERS-CoV Clusters
Recombinomics Commentary 18:30
May 10, 2013

Several cases have occurred in clusters, including in a health care setting in Jordan in April 2012 (of 2 confirmed and 11 probable cases, 10 were health care workers) and in the UK among family members of an infected patient who had recently arrived from Saudi Arabia.

Since 14 April 2013, 13 new cases of infection have been confirmed and reported in Saudi Arabia (10 males and 3 females, median age 58 years). Seven of these have died, four remain critically ill in intensive care and two are hospitalized but clinically improved. All patients were reported to have at least one comorbid medical condition and most had more than one. Most of the cases were patients at a single health care facility. Two were family members of two patients from that facility;


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The latest WHO update may focus media attention on the growing number of clusters ans well as the large number of cases cited in local media which are not included in the lab confirmed totals. Recent media reports have cited deaths in adolescents (ages of 9, 10, 11,18) as well as an infant (11 months) who was from eastern KSA and travel to Riyadh for heart surgery on a congenital defect and was found to be MERS-CoV positive (see map for detail).

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Novel coronavirus: Marisol Touraine will travel to Lille University Hospital, Saturday, May 11, 2013

The first case of new coronavirus (NCoV) in France was confirmed on 7 May 2013. The Ministry of Social Affairs and Health has immediately initiated an epidemiological investigation to identify all persons who had contact with the patient. Research has been conducted with his entourage and within hospital where he stayed (hospitals Douai and Valenciennes).

Among the one hundred and twenty persons identified three and a fourth in the 10th of May had symptoms that led to virological sampling and placing them under observation in isolation, Infectious Diseases Service.

For three people, negative results are to be confirmed by the national reference center of the Pasteur Institute in Paris. These people will benefit in the coming days, monitoring appropriate to their clinical condition. For one person, additional tests are needed. This is the person who shared the 27 to 29 April the last room on the first patient with a coronavirus infection, the CH Valenciennes. This person is currently hospitalized and isolated operation Infectious Diseases at the University Hospital of Lille.

Health authorities recall the importance of reporting to the attending physician or center 15, while suggestive symptom (cough, respiratory disorders, fever) in the following a trip to the Near or Middle East days. Protocol support defined by the High Council of Public Health has been widely disseminated to professionals and health care facilities.

The hotline information to the general public 0800 13 00 00 is available Monday to Saturday from 9h to 19h.

Marisol Touraine, Minister of Social Affairs and Health, will visit the University Hospital of Lille this Saturday, May 11, 2013 at 10 am. The visit will be followed by a press briefing.

Due to the smallness of the place, the visit will be followed by a limited number of journalists.
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There are many hadith which explain that sickness expiates evil deeds and wipes out ..... from a leper from outside Madinah and did not permit him to enter the city. ... If a plague breaks out in a place where you are, do not leave that place

Cancel hajj and ummra until this is bought under control ,
there should be at this point no movements in or out of saudi arabia ,
apart from specialised teams dealing with this outbreak
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As i have noted here before it is time for international pressure to be put upon the saudi authorities to cancel both hajj and ummra until this outbreak has been bought under control ,while understanding the religious aspects of both hajj and ummra , it is time for those in power to take a stand and implement travel bans to saudi arabia ,.
There are hadiths relating to behaviour in these circumstances , and these need to be adhered to , for those of arab decent who may be reading this , if you would like an example you can look at the village of Eyam in Derbyshire during the bubonic plague

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it was there behaviour at that time that prevented the spread of the disease ,

If you are intending to do either hajj or ummra this year please consider , not just your own health but potentially the health of millions , .
Hajj is obligatory if you have the means but also Its better to tie a camel before asking Allah swt to save it .
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It is time to implement travel bans FROM Saudi-Arabia.
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There are many hadith which explain that sickness expiates evil deeds and wipes out ..... from a leper from outside Madinah and did not permit him to enter the city. ... If a plague breaks out in a place where you are, do not leave that place
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Well this might be excellent news, but I do feel the need for caution here.

This article quotes the three recent cases in France that were suspected of contracting MERS-cov from a positive case returning from the Middle East, have now been given a clean bill of health and allowed home.

Good news, very good news, but we arent in the clear yet.

It now appears that there is another case that was "in the entorage of the confirmed case"

That being the case, could imply that other travellers may not yet be out of danger of developing symptoms.

This whole senario has become quite complex, with the unknowns know shifting from three medical staff, who have apparently had their tests announced clear of MRES-cov, but are they.

We have already seen that reliable testing relies on the correct samples being obtained or false negatives can occur.

Lets hope that this isnt the case.

However, not withstanding this, the fact that all those who travelled with the infected case when returning back to France may have been exposed and because of icubation periods, may not yet be symptomatic with the illness.

This leaves the possibility that there could still be any tens of people moving about and intermingling even further and still incubating their illness while shedding this coronavirus all over the place without the slightest idea that this is happening.

This is exactly how pandemics emerge.

We can only hope that this is not happening and that the cases currently recognised are all of them.

In the mean time as previously reiterated in several sources, it remains well past time to severely restrict ALL movements of people out of the whole Arabian Peninsular until the source of this deadly menace can be traced and eliminated.

Anything less is sheer lunacy, and would totally ignore previous hard learnt lessions of the type that SARS taught us, not that long ago.

Do we have to keep repeating our history.

To make a mistake as was the case with SARS is one thing but to ignore the lessons learn and to repeat what we now know not to do is madness of the highest order.

While the first patient remained in a stable condition, the tests conducted on three people suspected of being contaminated were negative as indicated in the night from Friday to Saturday by the Ministry of Health.

The Minister of Health, Marisol Touraine, which is at the Lille University Hospital on Saturday morning made the point in mid-morning during a press conference.

First, regarding the four suspected cases Friday, the Minister confirmed that the three persons whose tests were negative _ including a doctor and a nurse _ "were able to leave the hospital," said Marisol Touraine.

By cons, if further tests are underway for the fourth case _a patient 50 years, former roommate of the patient _ "a fifth case contact was identified in the entourage of the sick patient. Samples were made we know the results at the end of the day, "said Marisol Touraine.


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If there was any doubt whether the Saudi Health Authorities are censoring news regarding local cases of MERS-cov, this article should eliminate them.

Note the comments from the treating doctor.(Underlined)

Conflicting reports are emerging from Al-Ahsa about the number of coronavirus infections in the region.
The Al-Ahsa health department has said that there is only one confirmed case. However, the brother of a person infected with the virus said yesterday that in the hospital there are at least four persons in isolated rooms who are suspected of being infected.
One of the physicians treating infected patients refused to reveal the number of confirmed cases. “We are not allowed to reveal any details in this regard.”


And, in a rare insight of information on family relationships, genders etc that the World Health Organization refuses outright to release, we have little doubt about H2H transmission, with this rare look at family cases that have been infected, which should clear those doubts up also.(Underlined)

A 19-year-old woman was discharged from King Fahd hospital in Hofuf after it was confirmed that she was not infected with the virus.
But two of her brothers were infected and the virus claimed the life of her father. One of her brothers, 28, left the hospital after being cured. Her other brother, 31, is still in the intensive care unit at King Fahd hospital.


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It is indeed a very rare day when we can acually gain access to a crystall ball, and describing this next article in this manner might not be the best way to do it, but the messsage correlates.

Here we see that comparative genetic studies of the steady evolution of H5N1 avian influenza virus in Egypt over an extended timeframe is certainly pointing to avian influenza acquiring more H2H transmissible tendancies which over more time would likely lead to a pandemic strain emerging.

PLoS One. 2013 Apr 26;8(4):e61572. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0061572. Print 2013.
Novel Phylogenetic Algorithm to Monitor Human Tropism in Egyptian H5N1-HPAIV Reveals Evolution toward Efficient Human-to-Human Transmission.
Perovic VR, Muller CP, Niman HL, Veljkovic N, Dietrich U, Tosic DD, Glisic S, Veljkovic V.
SourceCenter for Multidisciplinary Research, Institute of Nuclear Sciences Vinca, University of Belgrade, Belgrade, Serbia.

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Years of endemic infections with highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI) A subtype H5N1 virus in poultry and high numbers of infections in humans provide ample opportunity in Egypt for H5N1-HPAIV to develop pandemic potential. In an effort to better understand the viral determinants that facilitate human infections of the Egyptian H5N1-HPAIVvirus, we developed a new phylogenetic algorithm based on a new distance measure derived from the informational spectrum method (ISM). This new approach, which describes functional aspects of the evolution of the hemagglutinin subunit 1 (HA1), revealed a growing group G2 of H5N1-HPAIV in Egypt after 2009 that acquired new informational spectrum (IS) properties suggestive of an increased human tropism and pandemic potential. While in 2006 all viruses in Egypt belonged to the G1 group, by 2011 these viruses were virtually replaced by G2 viruses. All of the G2 viruses displayed four characteristic mutations (D43N, S120(D,N), (S,L)129&#916; and I151T), three of which were previously reported to increase binding to the human receptor. Already in 2006-2008 G2 viruses were significantly (p<0.02) more often found in humans than expected from their overall prevalence and this further increased in 2009-2011 (p<0.007). Our approach also identified viruses that acquired additional mutations that we predict to further enhance their human tropism. The extensive evolution of Egyptian H5N1-HPAIV towards a preferential human tropism underlines an urgent need to closely monitor these viruses with respect to molecular determinants of virulence.


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If my last post caused some concern, then take the following and add them to the mix, especially when we take into account the current situation with H7N9 currently circulating in the same general region with H1N1 swine flu.

And Id remind everyone of that reckless research that a Chinese Vetenary research team recently successfully achieved with reassorting H5N1 and H1N1 to achieve airbourne transmissibility of that mutant monster.

If you were to be wondering about "natural" processes then really all we need is to see these viruses come to jointly infect a host and the outcome could easily reflect what the following aludes to.

Reassortment ability of THE 2009 pandemic H1N1 influenza virus with circulating human and avian influenza viruses: PUBLIC HEALTH RISK IMPLICATIONS.

Stincarelli M, Arvia R, Marco MA, Clausi V, Corcioli F, Cotti C, Delogu M, Donatelli I, Azzi A, Giannecchini S.
SourceVirology Unit, Department of Public Health, University of Florence, Florence.

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Exploring the reassortment ability of the 2009 pandemic H1N1 (A/H1N1pdm09) influenza virus with other circulating human or avian influenza viruses is the main concern related to the generation of more virulent or new variants having implications for public health. After different coinfection experiments in human A549 cells, by using the A/H1N1pdm09 virus plus one of human seasonal influenza viruses of H1N1 and H3N2 subtype or one of H11, H10, H9, H7 and H1 avian influenza viruses, several reassortant viruses were obtained. Among these, the HA of H1N1 was the main segment of human seasonal influenza virus reassorted in the A/H1N1pdm09 virus backbone. Conversely, HA and each of the three polymerase segments, alone or in combination, of the avian influenza viruses mainly reassorted in the A/H1N1pdm09 virus backbone. Of note, A/H1N1pdm09 viruses that reassorted with HA of H1N1 seasonal human or H11N6 avian viruses or carried different combination of avian origin polymerase segments, exerted a higher replication effectiveness than that of the parental viruses. These results confirm that reassortment of the A/H1N1pdm09 with circulating low pathogenic avian influenza viruses should not be misjudged in the prediction of the next pandemic.


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Thanks for your input, but its a little unclear.

Are you referring to the Baxter fiasco where they attempted to start a H5N1 avian influenza pandemic, or is your post more about the SARS outbreak, which I have general info on but certainly nothing about an unpublicized event surrounding that outbreak.

Please feel free to add some more detail.

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Thanks for your input, but its a little unclear.

Are you referring to the Baxter fiasco where they attempted to start a H5N1 avian influenza pandemic, or is your post more about the SARS outbreak, which I have general info on but certainly nothing about an unpublicized event surrounding that outbreak.

Please feel free to add some more detail.

cheers

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Baxter


Seems virtually impossibe for it to have happened just by random human error/incompetance.


Biggest news event of the year.......blacked out.


Says a lot.
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G'day Arkay

Have you come across this yet ..... seems it could provide a reason why the latest strain has undergone several mutations whilst remaining undetected.


Researchers discover a hidden viral gene in GMO crops - is this the Armageddon Virus

International flu virology expert, John Oxford from Queen Mary University in London, also, told the Reuters News Service this past week that the emergence of this completely new strain of bird flu infection in humans was “very, very unsettling.” This new strain is, in fact, a mixture of three different types of bird flu variants and“seems to have been quietly spreading in chickens without anyone knowing about it,” he said. This has likely been going on for at least two years.

Professor Oxford is to be especially noted in this crisis, Health Minister Skvortsova says in her report, as aside from being one of world authorities on epidemics, he warned last October (2012) of a coming “Armageddon Virus” he said would be an animal-originated pandemic that would hit the world within the next five years, with potentially cataclysmic effects on the human race.

To the most likely culprit in the rise of this new H7N9 virus, this report continues, is a newly discovered toxic gene identified by EU scientists and found hidden in genetically modified crops found in China, and almost all of North America, which have been used for animal fodder.


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G'day Arkay

Have you come across this yet ..... seems it could provide a reason why the latest strain has undergone several mutations whilst remaining undetected.


Researchers discover a hidden viral gene in GMO crops - is this the Armageddon Virus

International flu virology expert, John Oxford from Queen Mary University in London, also, told the Reuters News Service this past week that the emergence of this completely new strain of bird flu infection in humans was “very, very unsettling.” This new strain is, in fact, a mixture of three different types of bird flu variants and“seems to have been quietly spreading in chickens without anyone knowing about it,” he said. This has likely been going on for at least two years.

Professor Oxford is to be especially noted in this crisis, Health Minister Skvortsova says in her report, as aside from being one of world authorities on epidemics, he warned last October (2012) of a coming “Armageddon Virus” he said would be an animal-originated pandemic that would hit the world within the next five years, with potentially cataclysmic effects on the human race.

To the most likely culprit in the rise of this new H7N9 virus, this report continues, is a newly discovered toxic gene identified by EU scientists and found hidden in genetically modified crops found in China, and almost all of North America, which have been used for animal fodder.


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Hi Rickster,

that is an extremely unsettling document that you have sourced for us.

The qualifications of the medical expert and the organization of tenure are beyond reproach, leaving little to doubt regarding the assertions being made.

I have been aware for quite some time that the use of certain relatively harmless viruses to transport genetic modifications into humans to effect certain desired medical outcomes has been the method of choice where some genetic modification for some medical conditions are being targeted to be cured.

Specifically, I have heard that the coronavirus for the common cold was being used as a genetic transport delivery mechanism to fight certain types of cancer that had previously, stubbornly resisted treatment.

So your article regarding the use of other viral candidates for the same purpose would be a totally expected practice to utilize.

The big problem is that companies like Monsanto have now managed to exert sufficient political pressure, read that as making sufficient bribery funding to lawmakers in the US, as to now be fully protected for prosecution, by law, in the event that one of their "developments" causes undesirable outcomes , leaving them in the position of being totally and completely above the law in matters as could well be the case here.

I also believe that they can now circumvent conventional trial protocols.

This behavour of H7N9 could easily be attributed to such a profile, as quite significant research has been expended into the source of the H7N9 infections and while it has been established that it is highly likely to originate form poultry, the massive difficulty that has been encountered is the fact that no valid connections can be made to connect poultry to human infection prior to arrival at wet markets.

The farms that these poultry have come from have shown negligable ingress of H7N9, but the problem has always seemed to show up when these birds get to market and their food sources could very easily be the missing link.

And most likely never before considered as a source for the infection.

In fact I would be prepared to lay odds that the food used for their brief stay while at market could easily be sourced from a more commercial source that could easily have been genetically modified and in all likelyhood also be a slightly cheaper short term product that marketers would source locally and wouldnt hesitate to use.

There has also been the fact of a number of unaccounted genetic changes have been evident with the human H7N9 virus sequencing that has been to date unaccounted for and again this same food source could be the answer to that same unanswered difference.

Rickster, you may well have made the critical link and identified the Trogan Horse, that has been baffling the experts on this matter up to date.

Lets hope that some of those medical experts read this and your post, or otherwise if you have the capacity then you should advance your findings to where they might be immediately considered.

For me they offer answers to all the gaps that exist with the human associations with H7N9 in China.

Excellent work.

cheers

arkay

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While health authorities in the UNITED STATES are attempting to keep this alarming news quiet and have so far been sucessful, news is now filtering through that there could be as many as 25 cases of MERS-cov in an unknown as yet, hospital in NEW YORK.

According to reports the current number count is 25 cases, of which there are 7 in Intensive Care and 3 have been reported as deceased.

Apparently these cases are typical of SARS like viruses and reports are that they are untreatable with known medical interventions such as antibiotics.

Here is a youtube link that describes the outbreak.

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Last Edited by arkay on 05/14/2013 12:02 AM
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Excessive media coverage = low risk (Mexico flu 2009)


Absence of media coverage = high risk
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This has been festering and threatening for some time now and the actions of the Saudi Arabian authorities, together with the World Health Organization in witholding information along with seriously delayed reporting on these illnesses was always going to significantly increase the risks of some new bug going pandemic as this now looks to be on the verge of doing.

The only thing that we dont have confirmation on at this point in time is if this is in fact MERS-cov, but that is because like all other details this information is being deliberately kept from us.

The information available is pointing to significant H2H transmission as has been the recent case in France where their first case, returning from Saudi Arabia shared a room in a hospital with another person who has now been positively confirmed with MERS-cov, also confirming H2H transmission.

Now we have this very large cluster in the United States, so typical of how SARS went pandemic.

If indeed this is the leading edge of a pandenic then both the World Health Organization and the Saudi Arabian authorities will have everything to answer for.

They have been repeatedly called on to provide information in an expedient manner, which they have cocsistently ignored and they have never even attempted to respond to all the questions of their delayed reporting and the reasons for this.

I was given the tip-off just a few minutes ago and pointed to this link where the story was first broken.

[link to www.avianflutalk.com]

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