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HilosPP User ID: 1486547 United States 10/03/2012 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why are satan and lucifer used in the same context,one who impersonates god but who is not god Quoting: social periah 1489102 Because man knows the difference between good and evil; he is simply manifesting as their choice in the transition of Heaven's Birth. The Silver Singing Saiyan; Israel's Redeemer. Justice found Equals Satan Usurped Shamelessly It's not me, I am not Him Freedom From Fear The Key To Troublesome Peace |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1179566 Canada 10/03/2012 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1179566 For a "nobody" there are some people who go to an awful extent to denigrate him. We need to question what they are trying to hide. His in a hole and the more granules of dirt he pules down with him will bury him deeper and deeper until he is forgotten in time. Lucifer is the bearer of light. Light is a metaphor for knowledge. Superstitious religions do not like enlightened people, because they do not swallow the swill. They like to keep people in the darkness of ignorance. So it is natural that they would attempt to demean and idea like Lucifer. Lucifer shines the light of knowledge into the dark corners of ignorance, where the superstitious cower in fear. Well he supposed to rule the world in these days, and has done a pathetic job, either way he is destined to be lost from time forever no matter what the fool does. Ah, I see you are one of those superstitious people who chooses to turn away from the light and cower in the darkness of ignorance. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15610509 United Kingdom 10/03/2012 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | See what I mean, Lucifer is NEVER in the "loser" and NERVER is he considered the "nobody". He is looking at the "nobodies" saying "I will be that"...while always being the Super Somebody that the world "idolizes". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16701148 Cat and mouse here. Lucifer is the cat...not the mouse. People may be the mouse and Lucifer the Cat but God is the Dog who rips this filth to shreds. Yeah god is quite the murderous entity isn't he? Even if it were so he is the one who triumphs in the end and I serve him no matter what he is loser. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15610509 United Kingdom 10/03/2012 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why are satan and lucifer used in the same context,one who impersonates god but who is not god Quoting: social periah 1489102 Because man knows the difference between good and evil; he is simply manifesting as their choice in the transition of Heaven's Birth. It takes a loser to know loser or do you profess he will win? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24896878 United States 10/03/2012 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | second, since there has been no attempt to standardize what "Lucifer" is or represents, such as has been with the christian God and Jesus (and look how well that turned out) there are many different concepts of "Lucifer", ranging anywhere from merely another of christian theology's bitches, to a completely seperate concept; also ranging from pure good to pure evil. it is, after all, all made up. some of the ideologies about Lucifer are quite meritorious, some are disgusting, all fall short of perfection. that is not to say that any of the Abrahamic religions are perfect either. the best of the mass-religion white-light type Luciferian ideologies are superior. however they accomodate small to mid-size cultures. they cannot be used on large nations or even a world-religion, such as christianity/judaism/islam, because they do not make allowances for the filth, wretchedness and evil that is inevitably present in mankind. that is where the Abrahamic religions surpass them in usefulness. that Luciferianism I speak of is too good, too pure. it is better suited for individuals or groups outside of society who would rather have their own ideal culture. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15610509 United Kingdom 10/03/2012 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | first, there is no such thing as Lucifer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24896878 second, since there has been no attempt to standardize what "Lucifer" is or represents, such as has been with the christian God and Jesus (and look how well that turned out) there are many different concepts of "Lucifer", ranging anywhere from merely another of christian theology's bitches, to a completely seperate concept; also ranging from pure good to pure evil. it is, after all, all made up. some of the ideologies about Lucifer are quite meritorious, some are disgusting, all fall short of perfection. that is not to say that any of the Abrahamic religions are perfect either. the best of the mass-religion white-light type Luciferian ideologies are superior. however they accomodate small to mid-size cultures. they cannot be used on large nations or even a world-religion, such as christianity/judaism/islam, because they do not make allowances for the filth, wretchedness and evil that is inevitably present in mankind. that is where the Abrahamic religions surpass them in usefulness. that Luciferianism I speak of is too good, too pure. it is better suited for individuals or groups outside of society who would rather have their own ideal culture. My text is older than yours :) |
HilosPP User ID: 1486547 United States 10/03/2012 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why are satan and lucifer used in the same context,one who impersonates god but who is not god Quoting: social periah 1489102 Because man knows the difference between good and evil; he is simply manifesting as their choice in the transition of Heaven's Birth. It takes a loser to know loser or do you profess he will win? I think in the end, Lucifer will be reveled as the Morning Star; right around the same time the one who got crucified on Golthaga redeems His name against the pagan jews. This last part pretty much happens as every knee on earth bows and profess that he is Lord. The Silver Singing Saiyan; Israel's Redeemer. Justice found Equals Satan Usurped Shamelessly It's not me, I am not Him Freedom From Fear The Key To Troublesome Peace |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24896878 United States 10/03/2012 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why are satan and lucifer used in the same context,one who impersonates god but who is not god Quoting: social periah 1489102 some say they are the same thing and Lucifer is just another name for Satan. some say they are not at all the same thing and their concept of Lucifer is completely different from Satanism, in fact they would revile what Satan worshippers do. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15610509 United Kingdom 10/03/2012 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why are satan and lucifer used in the same context,one who impersonates god but who is not god Quoting: social periah 1489102 Because man knows the difference between good and evil; he is simply manifesting as their choice in the transition of Heaven's Birth. It takes a loser to know loser or do you profess he will win? I think in the end, Lucifer will be reveled as the Morning Star; right around the same time the one who got crucified on Golthaga redeems His name against the pagan jews. This last part pretty much happens as every knee on earth bows and profess that he is Lord. So you say....But to think that earth is such a triumph when it will be laid to waste, then what you will be dust once more. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7794786 United States 10/03/2012 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lucifer and Satan are unfortunately used interchangeably in most evangelic churches. The concept of satan is very ancient, all the way back to Sumeria, the Torah incorporates Satan in the same manner. Satan is not a rebellious figure at all, and is in fact part of the heavenly court, subject to God's rule. Satan represents the 'tyranny of limits' on mankind. Not just death, but the very limits of natural order found in the world man constantly toils against. From man's vantage point, Satan is evil, associated with death, and a foe to be reckoned with, but still a servant of the divine plan. This is what makes the book of Job so interesting as well. Now in early Christian sects, Jesus wrestling the keys away from Satan, is a victory over death. Not good vs. evil but chaos over order. This victory is the seed that actually leads to Lucifer in the middle ages. Early Christianity is about chaos and rebellion against the dead order of the law. Holy spirit is bringing change. But in the early days of the enlightenment...established orders, like the Church, feared chaos. We had to establish a new villain, a rebellious favorite son...and we got Lucifer. Today Christianity is inherently associated with order and authority. A long way from its humble beginnings and social message. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15610509 United Kingdom 10/03/2012 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lucifer and Satan are unfortunately used interchangeably in most evangelic churches. The concept of satan is very ancient, all the way back to Sumeria, the Torah incorporates Satan in the same manner. Satan is not a rebellious figure at all, and is in fact part of the heavenly court, subject to God's rule. Satan represents the 'tyranny of limits' on mankind. Not just death, but the very limits of natural order found in the world man constantly toils against. From man's vantage point, Satan is evil, associated with death, and a foe to be reckoned with, but still a servant of the divine plan. This is what makes the book of Job so interesting as well. Now in early Christian sects, Jesus wrestling the keys away from Satan, is a victory over death. Not good vs. evil but chaos over order. This victory is the seed that actually leads to Lucifer in the middle ages. Early Christianity is about chaos and rebellion against the dead order of the law. Holy spirit is bringing change. But in the early days of the enlightenment...established orders, like the Church, feared chaos. We had to establish a new villain, a rebellious favorite son...and we got Lucifer. Today Christianity is inherently associated with order and authority. A long way from its humble beginnings and social message. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7794786 Your words are meaningless. |
HilosPP User ID: 1486547 United States 10/03/2012 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: HilosPP Because man knows the difference between good and evil; he is simply manifesting as their choice in the transition of Heaven's Birth. It takes a loser to know loser or do you profess he will win? I think in the end, Lucifer will be reveled as the Morning Star; right around the same time the one who got crucified on Golthaga redeems His name against the pagan jews. This last part pretty much happens as every knee on earth bows and profess that he is Lord. So you say....But to think that earth is such a triumph when it will be laid to waste, then what you will be dust once more. No, than Him and Eve are going to restore the Garden of Eden and plant the trees of life as they go around the Earth ressurecting the good hearted who fell in this holy war that was never of their making. The Silver Singing Saiyan; Israel's Redeemer. Justice found Equals Satan Usurped Shamelessly It's not me, I am not Him Freedom From Fear The Key To Troublesome Peace |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15610509 United Kingdom 10/03/2012 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think in the end, Lucifer will be reveled as the Morning Star; right around the same time the one who got crucified on Golthaga redeems His name against the pagan jews. This last part pretty much happens as every knee on earth bows and profess that he is Lord. So you say....But to think that earth is such a triumph when it will be laid to waste, then what you will be dust once more. No, than Him and Eve are going to restore the Garden of Eden and plant the trees of life as they go around the Earth ressurecting the good hearted who fell in this holy war that was never of their making. You say that with much conviction, but you disregard his roots and only at the bottom of the weed can you see the truth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24896878 United States 10/03/2012 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | first, there is no such thing as Lucifer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24896878 second, since there has been no attempt to standardize what "Lucifer" is or represents, such as has been with the christian God and Jesus (and look how well that turned out) there are many different concepts of "Lucifer", ranging anywhere from merely another of christian theology's bitches, to a completely seperate concept; also ranging from pure good to pure evil. it is, after all, all made up. some of the ideologies about Lucifer are quite meritorious, some are disgusting, all fall short of perfection. that is not to say that any of the Abrahamic religions are perfect either. the best of the mass-religion white-light type Luciferian ideologies are superior. however they accomodate small to mid-size cultures. they cannot be used on large nations or even a world-religion, such as christianity/judaism/islam, because they do not make allowances for the filth, wretchedness and evil that is inevitably present in mankind. that is where the Abrahamic religions surpass them in usefulness. that Luciferianism I speak of is too good, too pure. it is better suited for individuals or groups outside of society who would rather have their own ideal culture. My text is older than yours :) I'm not referring to any particular text. though I probably know of older texts (ideologies) than you do. old. very, very old. from the dawn of time. unless you're one of the 1% that isn't just a stupid hack satan-dabbler. like any of the other respondents. anybody who says "Satan is..." "Lucifer is..." does not know what they are talking about. |
HilosPP User ID: 1486547 United States 10/03/2012 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: HilosPP I think in the end, Lucifer will be reveled as the Morning Star; right around the same time the one who got crucified on Golthaga redeems His name against the pagan jews. This last part pretty much happens as every knee on earth bows and profess that he is Lord. So you say....But to think that earth is such a triumph when it will be laid to waste, then what you will be dust once more. No, than Him and Eve are going to restore the Garden of Eden and plant the trees of life as they go around the Earth ressurecting the good hearted who fell in this holy war that was never of their making. You say that with much conviction, but you disregard his roots and only at the bottom of the weed can you see the truth. Ya, kind of like a mustard seed. The Silver Singing Saiyan; Israel's Redeemer. Justice found Equals Satan Usurped Shamelessly It's not me, I am not Him Freedom From Fear The Key To Troublesome Peace |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15610509 United Kingdom 10/03/2012 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | first, there is no such thing as Lucifer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24896878 second, since there has been no attempt to standardize what "Lucifer" is or represents, such as has been with the christian God and Jesus (and look how well that turned out) there are many different concepts of "Lucifer", ranging anywhere from merely another of christian theology's bitches, to a completely seperate concept; also ranging from pure good to pure evil. it is, after all, all made up. some of the ideologies about Lucifer are quite meritorious, some are disgusting, all fall short of perfection. that is not to say that any of the Abrahamic religions are perfect either. the best of the mass-religion white-light type Luciferian ideologies are superior. however they accomodate small to mid-size cultures. they cannot be used on large nations or even a world-religion, such as christianity/judaism/islam, because they do not make allowances for the filth, wretchedness and evil that is inevitably present in mankind. that is where the Abrahamic religions surpass them in usefulness. that Luciferianism I speak of is too good, too pure. it is better suited for individuals or groups outside of society who would rather have their own ideal culture. My text is older than yours :) I'm not referring to any particular text. though I probably know of older texts (ideologies) than you do. old. very, very old. from the dawn of time. unless you're one of the 1% that isn't just a stupid hack satan-dabbler. like any of the other respondents. anybody who says "Satan is..." "Lucifer is..." does not know what they are talking about. You make me laugh, so much effort to prove your theory and persuade others, while I revel in my Glory. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15610509 United Kingdom 10/03/2012 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15610509 So you say....But to think that earth is such a triumph when it will be laid to waste, then what you will be dust once more. No, than Him and Eve are going to restore the Garden of Eden and plant the trees of life as they go around the Earth ressurecting the good hearted who fell in this holy war that was never of their making. You say that with much conviction, but you disregard his roots and only at the bottom of the weed can you see the truth. Ya, kind of like a mustard seed. I don't give a Iota of what you think, your going to become lost in time just like your foolish leader. |
141 User ID: 18671744 Denmark 10/03/2012 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For a "nobody" there are some people who go to an awful extent to denigrate him. We need to question what they are trying to hide. We live in upside down world. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6764501 Many on here follow him and they seem to be a nice bunch. Now look at the other ones... Not so nice, they like to invoke fear as a means of control they like to convert control manipulate through fear of fire and brimstone lol. I am still on the fence but leaning in his direction as well it makes sense as we live in upside-down world. I say lean as in I would favour him to be the good one rebelling against the old rathful god... For a "nobody" there are some people who go to an awful extent to denigrate him. We need to question what they are trying to hide. His in a hole and the more granules of dirt he pules down with him will bury him deeper and deeper until he is forgotten in time. Lucifer is the bearer of light. Light is a metaphor for knowledge. Superstitious religions do not like enlightened people, because they do not swallow the swill. They like to keep people in the darkness of ignorance. So it is natural that they would attempt to demean and idea like Lucifer. Lucifer shines the light of knowledge into the dark corners of ignorance, where the superstitious cower in fear. The above is what resonates with this heart And for the true story still to be told We are all still writing our stories as it goes, the moment is all we got... The past is a whisper, the future a trap, the now is a amazing to enter... just be love in truth... |
HilosPP User ID: 1486547 United States 10/03/2012 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: HilosPP No, than Him and Eve are going to restore the Garden of Eden and plant the trees of life as they go around the Earth ressurecting the good hearted who fell in this holy war that was never of their making. You say that with much conviction, but you disregard his roots and only at the bottom of the weed can you see the truth. Ya, kind of like a mustard seed. I don't give a Iota of what you think, your going to become lost in time just like your foolish leader. Haha, apparently it is you who are lost already; I have no leader. The Silver Singing Saiyan; Israel's Redeemer. Justice found Equals Satan Usurped Shamelessly It's not me, I am not Him Freedom From Fear The Key To Troublesome Peace |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1179566 Canada 10/03/2012 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wont bother with a fool who only asks to disrespect my reply I can see through you. Well of course, it is your right to choose to live in ignorance and superstition. It is shame that someone has persuaded you to waste your life like that, but you have chosen. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7794786 United States 10/03/2012 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lucifer and Satan are unfortunately used interchangeably in most evangelic churches. The concept of satan is very ancient, all the way back to Sumeria, the Torah incorporates Satan in the same manner. Satan is not a rebellious figure at all, and is in fact part of the heavenly court, subject to God's rule. Satan represents the 'tyranny of limits' on mankind. Not just death, but the very limits of natural order found in the world man constantly toils against. From man's vantage point, Satan is evil, associated with death, and a foe to be reckoned with, but still a servant of the divine plan. This is what makes the book of Job so interesting as well. Now in early Christian sects, Jesus wrestling the keys away from Satan, is a victory over death. Not good vs. evil but chaos over order. This victory is the seed that actually leads to Lucifer in the middle ages. Early Christianity is about chaos and rebellion against the dead order of the law. Holy spirit is bringing change. But in the early days of the enlightenment...established orders, like the Church, feared chaos. We had to establish a new villain, a rebellious favorite son...and we got Lucifer. Today Christianity is inherently associated with order and authority. A long way from its humble beginnings and social message. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7794786 Your words are meaningless. And you dismiss them so therefore the must be. Keep extinguishing candles. Paradise Lost and Dante's Inferno, perhaps some of Swedenborg's treaties... the links in the chain are there, not in the New Testament. |
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HilosPP User ID: 1486547 United States 10/03/2012 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, just as Promethius was evil to the other god's for aiding man with fire; lucifer shared his dna. The Silver Singing Saiyan; Israel's Redeemer. Justice found Equals Satan Usurped Shamelessly It's not me, I am not Him Freedom From Fear The Key To Troublesome Peace |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15610509 United Kingdom 10/03/2012 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15610509 You say that with much conviction, but you disregard his roots and only at the bottom of the weed can you see the truth. Ya, kind of like a mustard seed. I don't give a Iota of what you think, your going to become lost in time just like your foolish leader. Haha, apparently it is you who are lost already; I have no leader. Oh so your God right?, you are nothing who can be nothing. Where are your miracles. Just a Money slave and to dust you will be eaten by maggots oh Godly one. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24896878 United States 10/03/2012 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | first, there is no such thing as Lucifer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24896878 second, since there has been no attempt to standardize what "Lucifer" is or represents, such as has been with the christian God and Jesus (and look how well that turned out) there are many different concepts of "Lucifer", ranging anywhere from merely another of christian theology's bitches, to a completely seperate concept; also ranging from pure good to pure evil. it is, after all, all made up. some of the ideologies about Lucifer are quite meritorious, some are disgusting, all fall short of perfection. that is not to say that any of the Abrahamic religions are perfect either. the best of the mass-religion white-light type Luciferian ideologies are superior. however they accomodate small to mid-size cultures. they cannot be used on large nations or even a world-religion, such as christianity/judaism/islam, because they do not make allowances for the filth, wretchedness and evil that is inevitably present in mankind. that is where the Abrahamic religions surpass them in usefulness. that Luciferianism I speak of is too good, too pure. it is better suited for individuals or groups outside of society who would rather have their own ideal culture. My text is older than yours :) I'm not referring to any particular text. though I probably know of older texts (ideologies) than you do. old. very, very old. from the dawn of time. unless you're one of the 1% that isn't just a stupid hack satan-dabbler. like any of the other respondents. anybody who says "Satan is..." "Lucifer is..." does not know what they are talking about. You make me laugh, so much effort to prove your theory and persuade others, while I revel in my Glory. you're an idiot. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15610509 United Kingdom 10/03/2012 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For a "nobody" there are some people who go to an awful extent to denigrate him. We need to question what they are trying to hide. We live in upside down world. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6764501 Many on here follow him and they seem to be a nice bunch. Now look at the other ones... Not so nice, they like to invoke fear as a means of control they like to convert control manipulate through fear of fire and brimstone lol. I am still on the fence but leaning in his direction as well it makes sense as we live in upside-down world. I say lean as in I would favour him to be the good one rebelling against the old rathful god... ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1179566 For a "nobody" there are some people who go to an awful extent to denigrate him. We need to question what they are trying to hide. His in a hole and the more granules of dirt he pules down with him will bury him deeper and deeper until he is forgotten in time. Lucifer is the bearer of light. Light is a metaphor for knowledge. Superstitious religions do not like enlightened people, because they do not swallow the swill. They like to keep people in the darkness of ignorance. So it is natural that they would attempt to demean and idea like Lucifer. Lucifer shines the light of knowledge into the dark corners of ignorance, where the superstitious cower in fear. The above is what resonates with this heart And for the true story still to be told We are all still writing our stories as it goes, the moment is all we got... The past is a whisper, the future a trap, the now is a amazing to enter... I guess it resonates with your heart too, the blind following the blind. |