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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1018225 United States 10/23/2012 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So help me out here. No puns to contribute. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25931926 So I put some water in an electric skillet, plug "electricity" into the pan, and the resistance(or heat of resistance) of the pan heats the water. Very simple. Buuuttt. What I really want to know is how can I get electricity from heated matter. Can we reverse the skillet/water thing. The atmosphere around us, in fact everything higher than absolute zero, is filled with heat that we need to translate into electrical energy. So can a Tesla coil receive the electrical energy that fills the air and can it be processed to provide electrical energy that we can use? OP? You are looking for the Edison effect, it is how vacuum tubes work. The plate in a vacuum tube is heated (Either self heated, or by a heating element) and electrons are boiled off into the vacuum. There are grids that can adjusted for voltage by external sources to push or pull the electrons, and the electrons are then collected for final use. There is also the thermoelectric effect but it requires heat and cold to work. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 12527214 United States 10/23/2012 11:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i have seen electron moving around the proton, there are many videos on this so you can see it yourself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12527214 no you haven't. these are just computer simulations or graphics based on data extracted from energy signals. "atom" is just a mathematic model. it doesn't really exist. an electron has nothing to do with currents as i have said in 2 other post already. energy(byproduct of 2 magnet fields interacting) travels in waves, passing from one atom to the next. the electron within the matter the current is passing threw does the same thing it was before the current, travels around its proton. nothing changes, a copper wire is still a copper wire is it not? i will say it again with caps AN ELECTRON HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ELECTRIC CURRENT, AN ELECTRON IS PART OF AN ATOM, MANY ATOMS MAKE MATTER. don't mean to sound rude but i stated your misunderstanding twice already. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12527214 Ok sorry. Now I get what you're saying; it makes sense and is a more advanced form of understanding than the common view of "free-moving" electrons on a wire. but one can go even further in the way they understand electricity and electrical current when they realize that atoms don't really exist. That's the only thing I was challenging in your post. using an electromagnetic scope they has. im sure you can find it on youtube. using Mehran Keshe theory you will see that the atom is there, and how each new element is built. this theory is not main stream but will be in the next few months. i came across this theory about a year ago when trying to build a device to prove a theory i had on gravity. do some research on him you will not be disappointed. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 12392505 United States 10/23/2012 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ed Leedskalnin, who built a true modern marvel and claimed to know the secrets of how the ancient egyptians built the pyramids said something very similar. No electrons, instead what we have are individual north and south pole magnets running against eachother in a helical motion. His theories make much more sense then what were taught in school, and best yet you can put them to the test and actually watch it work for yourself. Magnets and specifically electromagnetism, which modern science fully acknowledges as a phenomenom and does not understand, is the key to understanding this universe. Great post OP. I wish more people were like you, step outside of the current scientific paradigm and theories by trying to actually figure out how things work for themselves. Go ahead and believe everything we read in our text books.... I mean 500 years ago we were positive the world was flat. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12392505 United States 10/24/2012 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | energy is produced by the magnet field of and electron and a proton interacting. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12527214 electrons and protons don't exist. Explain a static charge and why it repels. Vibrations don't repel each other. It repels because the North and South pole MAGNETS are interacting, not the electrons. |
gus User ID: 26188197 Brazil 10/24/2012 12:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Explain a static charge and why it repels. Vibrations don't repel each other. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225 electrostatic repulsion is born from the tendecy of every system to lose energy. Picture a system made of two bodies. When the frequencies (vibrations) of said bodies are very close on the dial (same magnetic charge), there is "interference". repulsion happens because the "transmission" of energy between them is suffering interference. The electron is nothing more than a conceptualized particle that helps us to measure said interference. YOu can picture any object as a magnet that emits a vibrational frequency much like a radio. When the channel is clear you receive a perfect clear transmission. When there is interference the channel becomes static. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21886424 United States 10/24/2012 12:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's an interesting idea but I'm not too sure about how it relates to observations. Here is a picture of an atom: [link to phys.org] What do you call the points in the cloud? The question about CRTs is a good one - what is being vibrated through a vacuum? |
gus User ID: 26188197 Brazil 10/24/2012 12:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's an interesting idea but I'm not too sure about how it relates to observations. Here is a picture of an atom: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21886424 [link to phys.org] dude, every electronic microscope / spectrometer is connected to a very powerful computer. These "microscopes" are not really magnifying stuff as if atoms were objects that somehow are "sitting" there in the vaccuum. Take the Heisenberg principle in consideration too... The picture you see is just graphical data extracted / calculated from very precise energy readings. It's just computer graphics. Scientists like to interpret their precise measurements (energy readings) as 'particles' for mere convenience, because it helps them with visualizing patterns. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12527214 United States 10/24/2012 12:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | energy is produced by the magnet field of and electron and a proton interacting. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12527214 electrons and protons don't exist. Explain a static charge and why it repels. Vibrations don't repel each other. It repels because the North and South pole MAGNETS are interacting, not the electrons. when you looking into a neutron, proton, and an electron they are made up of three different types of matter. Visible Matter, Principal Matter(what main stream science calls anti-matter) and Dark Matter(neutral to the environment it is in producing no light). each part has its on magnet fields. this is why when looking at an electron it doesn't move in a steady orbit. as the electron moves around the proton both rotate causing either a push or a pull against the electron. these magnetic field interacting cause the production of light, energy, among many other waves. this theory is that of Mehran Keshe, The Universal Order of Creation, he has designed a system that proves this. do some reading over the next few day and you will understand. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21886424 United States 10/24/2012 12:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | dude, Quoting: gus 26188197 every electronic microscope / spectrometer is connected to a very powerful computer. These "microscopes" are not really magnifying stuff as if atoms were objects that somehow are "sitting" there in the vaccuum. According to the article, that's exactly what they did. I will concede that it is a construct, but it is compelling. Of course, I guess it really boils down to a matter of perspective. Do you want to perceive it as a miasma of mathematical possibility, or as particles that are observable but ephemeral? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25662194 United States 10/24/2012 01:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Explain a static charge and why it repels. Vibrations don't repel each other. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225 electrostatic repulsion is born from the tendecy of every system to lose energy. Picture a system made of two bodies. When the frequencies (vibrations) of said bodies are very close on the dial (same magnetic charge), there is "interference". repulsion happens because the "transmission" of energy between them is suffering interference. The electron is nothing more than a conceptualized particle that helps us to measure said interference. YOu can picture any object as a magnet that emits a vibrational frequency much like a radio. When the channel is clear you receive a perfect clear transmission. When there is interference the channel becomes static. Resonance ! |
gus User ID: 26188197 Brazil 10/24/2012 01:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course, I guess it really boils down to a matter of perspective. Do you want to perceive it as a miasma of mathematical possibility, or as particles that are observable but ephemeral? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21886424 Indeed. Reality is essentially paradoxical. Things exist and at the same time they don't (!). The reason why I like to challenge fixed views of reality such as the ones derived from corpuscular / particle theory is because I want them to have a glimpse of Paradox, as this is the way to enlightenment. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 12527214 United States 10/24/2012 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Indeed. Reality is essentially paradoxical. Things exist and at the same time they don't (!). The reason why I like to challenge fixed views of reality such as the ones derived from corpuscular / particle theory is because I want them to have a glimpse of Paradox, as this is the way to enlightenment. Quoting: gus 26188197 the theory i stated above explains a lot of what you are saying. give it a look you will see where some of you ideas are correct just not in the right order. do some research on Mehran Keshe and you will understand what i mean. |
Apopheros User ID: 19465701 Canada 10/24/2012 01:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was a 'nuke' in the navy. Had to think about this stuff a lot. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21926154 So after measuring and visualizing magnetic fields long enough you realize that they are the same shape as sonic fields around vibrating objects, and behave basically the same. With the latest imaging instead being all about fluid-like shells of varying density. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1018225 United States 10/24/2012 01:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Explain a static charge and why it repels. Vibrations don't repel each other. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225 electrostatic repulsion is born from the tendecy of every system to lose energy. Picture a system made of two bodies. When the frequencies (vibrations) of said bodies are very close on the dial (same magnetic charge), there is "interference". repulsion happens because the "transmission" of energy between them is suffering interference. The electron is nothing more than a conceptualized particle that helps us to measure said interference. YOu can picture any object as a magnet that emits a vibrational frequency much like a radio. When the channel is clear you receive a perfect clear transmission. When there is interference the channel becomes static. Resonance ! In order for consistency to happen across say the hairs of a human head that cause the hairs to repel when the person touches a static generator, the frequency of the entire surface must be resonating at the same frequency. If this were the case you would notice a cancellation effect that we see with a tuned array of antennas used for directional radio transmission, or sound cancellation by using multiple microphones co-phased. The idea of vibrations is great I love hearing alternative ideas, but I can't see it working with the evidence we can visibly see. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1018225 United States 10/24/2012 01:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you understand the principle of a standing wave by the way? How about tuning an antenna for the correct standing wave of a given frequency? If not look into the techniques for measuring standing wave and the effects that a poor standing wave can have on a transmitter. |
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Keep2theCode User ID: 20545539 United States 10/24/2012 06:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A "hert"? Quoting: Anonymous Coward Please, you're making my sides "hert"! But seriously, Hertz is the name of the guy they named "cycles" after. To not know this, and think there's such a thing as a "hert".... oookaay. Singular of hertz. LOL :) Whatever man. All of the actual information there, and you focus on an obvious typo. It wasn't a typo and you know it. You thought "hertz" was the plural of "hert" and had no clue that "hertz" was somebody's name. How anyone could be educated and think that, is the point here. Whatever, man. [link to www.commonsensescience.org] [link to www.commonsensescience.org] Last Edited by Keep2theCode on 10/24/2012 06:35 AM Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16) |
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