True Atheism is impossible.

But it most certainty does.
A REAL Atheist... has a big bowl of SHUT THE FUCK UP!
They don't walk around bitching and moaning, they frankly don't care. And they most certainly don't have meetings and sit around and talk about how much they don't believe in God.

But to take modern Atheism at it's word means to watch the movie Toy Story and believe it's a completely possible scenario. To me (a SHIITE AGNOSTIC) Atheists come across as complete tools.

That was very well written. I agree with you that if you are a true practitioner of true religion, you strive to be god like, but first and foremost. You must humble yourself in awe of the reverence and power and knowledge of god, which is far greater than yours. When you put it in your mind, "what would I do if I was god?"

You would intervene. That is why god is omnipotent and eternally loving/forgiving. If god were to intervene into anything , in a free willed universe, god would not longer be omnipotent, but would become a tyrant. Zeus cannot step forward directly. This is god's last act of true love and omnipotent, that you get to figure it out on your own and set your belief, the power of it, which you have been given, to whatever end you feel is best. God even loves and forgives those that are set against him. It is only another expression in the realm that is god.. and it will eventually iron itself out because we know for certainty, that karma preserves eternity, and what I mean by this is the following.

Let's say you are a thief, you will continue being a thief, and one day you will get caught, and you will return and feel the energy that you have set in motion. You will be cured from being a thief simply by being a thief, eventually.. everyone will change their way. This is karma, karma preserves eternity because we will all do the right thing in the end. One more thing I wanted to mention... there is only one way for god to step forward and intervene... because that is a good question..

and that is through you, through humanity. if you were to drop everything that you are doing, and followed the doctrine of god and love.. you would most likely reach heights unimaginable. The trick is actually doing it. Jesus was such a man.. so was Buddha... anyone who masters their intellectualism, their physicality, and their spirituality.. and becomes a true master of each... that person can intervene on behalf of god for they will be a mirror, a reflection of that fire...

I think that is well written. I'm not sure whether or not most Atheists believe that. I don't know many who actually research Atheism but may take on the label. The label implies certain things and that is where the danger may lie. I'm just speaking in the surface mainstream sense. I'm just saying that Atheism is basically impossible because it cannot exist without the concept of god, and since they don't believe in god, it kind of puts a really ironic twist on the whole thing.

Well seeing as we still haven't completely ruled out the possibility that there may be (or may once have been) life on at least 3 other bodies in our own solar-system.
That's one planet (Earth) teeming with life, and 3 possibles, around one single star (Our Sun)....

Now consider that we are finding that planets around other stars are the norm, rather than a rarity...
That there are around 250 billion stars in our galaxy alone (possibly more)
And that there are possibly more galaxies, than there are stars in our galaxy....

I think it's ridiculous, and rather arrogant, to believe that this one planet is the only place in the entire Universe where life exists.


As for the question of whether some of them have visited us though.....
I'm FAR from convinced, but it's still more likely than the existence of a magical super-being.

Your point makes all the sense in the world.
And remember: atheists deny that God exists, but they hate Him. That's insane. They hate something that does not exist!

Atheists hate god???
Where do you get that idea from?
I see the same thing repeated over and over by believers, but it baffles me as to where they get the idea that atheists hate god.
Is it some propaganda put about by religious organisations, in order to get the believers mad at atheists?

As you say - I totally agree that it is impossible to hate something which does not exist.

Speaking for myself, I don't 'hate' god.
(I abhor some things that are done in the name of 'god')

But I simply don't believe that any gods exist.

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Fixed that for you :)

You may believe in whatever you wish. That is your own choice, of course. But please allow non-believers to believe in nothing, if they choose. I think you are clinging to this idea of "god", which ever God that should happen to be, because you WANT a God to exist. I could be wrong, but I think it is a probable explanation of why most people believe in God. They NEED to have this belief, whether or not it is real.

The unreality of your world is obvious to me. You see this beauty of creation all around you and you think "GOD." But what about children who are suffering from cancer? What about children who are abused? What about animals that are abused and die? Children and animals are innocent. Yet "GOD" allows this to happen. Where is God is a good question? THis world operates EXACTLY as if no God exists and chances are very good that one doesn't.

I am not talking only about Christians clinging to some God. This could apply to Mormons, Jehovah's Witness or Scientologists, etc. People believe in Gods because it gives them some type of hope. But please be considerate of the fact that some people don't have the need to have faith in that sort of thing. I am perfectly happy without faith or belief in any type of God. The fact that I will die and cease to exist doesn't really bother me. I am happy with the life I have. People always have to have more, more, more, that is one reason why they cling to the hope of some afterlife. The fact is that this is all there is...just today.

I am sorry to say that I doubt very much that anyone lives forever. I believe in evolution which is a cure for Christianity and all religion. If you study evolution in college, you will see that it is a very complex subject that requires a lot of study. The more YOU learn, the more you might understand that this is how human life came to be.

I'm not an atheist, but you have a false premise OP. Atheism is only defined by the religious as atheism, or without god. Atheists would usually define their view of life and the universe without any reference to a deity. Because religion is the norm, along with theism, they were often described as atheist.

You are right. There's a reason why primitive people worship some form of God. However, there's only one truth, and it is knowable. There is one infinite God, and he will reveal himself to you, if you seek him. It is irrelevant what God an atheist denies, the fact that he denies a God is what is significant. He may have no clue how to fill that void, but he knows something is missing.
It is written in his heart. No false religion will ever fulfill that void, though most try. Those worship other Gods never find the true fulfilment they are looking for.
Jesus is the only way, because he says so...
Oh, as for your sillines issue, scripture tells us the natural man will see these things as follie (1 Cor 2:14), only those who have filled their hearts with God can know the truth.

then you should show your findings instead of just trying to discredit your opposition.

if you honestly thought you found the truth then you would have done this........

Well, it's good thing religion didn't die on the cross for you, as Jesus is a person, not a religion.
I'm not religious either, as that is man's thing. Jesus came to deliver us from relgion.
Try reading the Bible before you dismiss it, as you will discover that its teachings and story of redemption are not of men. Men simply aren't that smart.
Nothing has come along in the last 1500 years to dispute the Bible. As a matter of fact, the Bible's truths are being confrimed daily with archeologic finds. Most who have seeked to disprove it, have come out believers.
The Bible itself, is it own proof as it is composed of 66 books written over a 1500 years period by authors who could not've collaborated or have known each other for the most part. The book were all joined together in a process they called the Cannons ( a criteria of materials to go into the Holy Bible) after they were written and all of its authors for trhe most part deceased. The Gospels written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John can stand up in any cout of law, as their is no evidence of collusion and they were written shorly after Jesus' crucifiction, death and ressurection. So, there were many live witnesses around who would've disputed any exaggerations had there been any. The science of Jesus' distress (sweating blood), crucifiction (a clear liquid purged from his body after he was pierced to verify his death), and the empty tomb (his body would've been paraded through the strrets of Jeruselem had it been found by his advesaries, and we'd probably would not have have known of Jesus, or a footnote in some religious book). The Church is itself would not exsist today, had Christ not died and risen from the dead(1 Cor 15:17), as no one would've risked their lives for a lie. Paul, the founder of the Church and scripture's greatest conversion story would not have catapulted the church into it's present day state had he not seen Christ after his crucifiction. The Church simply would not exsist.
Oh, and the Bible is the undisputed champ of prophesy, as much of what it tells us, will happen, and has happened. The prophesy that has not happened yet, is not difficult to see those things unfolding. Revelation 13 tells us that we be marked one day (with an RFID), to buy and sell, or to do any business (is that techonology not possible?).
I could get into the what has already happend prophesy, like Israel becoming a nation once again, or the world turning its back on Israel. I could get into man's defiling of the Earth, or Russian and Iran's alliance (unprecedented before now). I could get into men building undergoround bunkers, and even the possibility they will hide in them, then ultimately pray they fall on them (Rev 6), as they will discover they can't hide from the wrath of God.
However, I've written more than I want to, already.
Folks, seek God, as his creation is obvious. The beauty, diversity and complexity of life is not some random act of dumb forces. I just don't have enough faith to believe we are here by some accident.

Mathematically impossible, even for the simplest cells to exist.

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DON'T DIE IN YOUR UNBELIEF, YOU HAVE TOO MUCH TO LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!A grand staircase cannot build itself....even after billions of years

there ain't no fricking God.

the wonderous and marvelous Universe is merely all phenomenae.

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I am not trying to discredit anyone. I just thought it is ironic how god is essential to Atheism, that's all. I will make a post about my findings, thank you for participating and making a good suggestion.

Well, I hope that you're all knowing, as your response here implies. I beseech you not to trust in your very limited knowledge, and ask yourself some questions.

What is life and consciousness?
Could they spontaneously occur if organic materais were added together under certain comfortable condtions, over a period of time?

Why didn't Darwin have an answer to the Cambrian Explosion, biology's answer to the 'Big Bang'(This event proves the explosion of life in a very short period of time (e.g. thousand years, or less, etc.)?

How could Einstein even be sure if had no about the innards of a cell (he called the cytoplasm, a jelly like structure)?

How did the Earth end up just the right distance from the Sun (too close oceans never occur, slightly too far the oceans are frozen tundras), and why is the tilt (23.5 degrees) of the earth so preicise as to render seasons that are fitting for life?

How is that the moon exist (at the right distance, fleeting) to stabilize the earth and it's weather, to create the tides that nourish life?

How is that Jupiter is located in place in the solar system to provide us a shield from incoming objects (comets, asteroids, etc.)?

Why are there no intermediate fossils to confirm evolution?

How is it the Sun's own gravity keeps it from imploding (collapsing on itself), or exploding (coming unglued) to a precision of far less than 0.10%?

How is it the Earth's gravity is such that it allows toxic gases to escape, but holds on to the oxygen?

Quit ignoring the obvious. It's not that people don't believe, it's that most people refuse to believe.

Don't let the anti-Christ world decieve you, it can't save your soul!!!!!!!!

Then that would make you an agnostic. Nothing wrong with that. Probably the best approach.

I was an Atheist until a demon literally threw me into my bedroom wall.

My advice? Don't get too big for your boots. Stay humble.

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Those aliens of the galactic federation believe in God.

life and consciousness are mere phenomenae that
pervades all stuff in the Universe. (that's what
makes it all work. sort'a like a giant computer.
no necessity to invent a "God" to explain it all.)

If a god didn't exist, scientists would not being trying to duplicate the existence of a "god particle" at CERN.

sub-atomic physicists have traditionally assigned "philosophical"-type expressions as the terminology for there "animules". the term "God Particle" came about because
it seems to be very close to so-called "first causes".

You must be using some kind of special definition of the word logic that doesn't apply to the rest of us. He was making fun of you but to put his critique in more abstract terms.

By your logic about atheists and God, it would be impossible to truly disbelieve anything because once you've defined the thing you supposedly disbelieve, you're relying on that definition to make your statement.

The fact that there's an "ideology" around the thing is irrelevant. Your logic is fallacious. It's easier to explain why in symbolic logic but that would take a long time and let's be honest, you don't really want a logical argument about this, you want to be able to hold onto your a priori belief in the supernatural without feeling stupid in the modern world. I sympathize.

"God" is nothing other than a philosophical argument
that, obviously, has gotten a little bit out-of-hand.

Have you sacrificed a goat to Zeus today? or prayed 5 times to Mecca? washed a sacred cow for Vishnu? Your arguement is silly unless you believe in every God from every recognised Religion.

Why then do you guys repeatedly keep thumping your book at such people, if scripture plainly says they won't get it?!

Logic would suggest that if people are not going to buy your doctrine or whatever because their hearts are supposedly unreceptive to it, we'd be better off emitting things they can receive - kindness, respect, etc. - instead of beating the dead horse trying to force a square peg up their hole.

It's a matter of flesh vs. spirit. Fleshly, carnal evangelization will always fall short. Usually this comes from "believers" who really don't trust God to do His thing, so they take it upon themselves to try and convert the wicked heathen evil-doers with a lot of arm-twisting.

your attitudes towards Christians only confirms the truth, it was prophesied in the bible. So was the one world government (NWO) that's at our doorstep. The leaders of the secret societies that run the world believe in Jesus, and the Bible, as they worship Lucifer, and consider Jesus evil. They also commit mass black magick rituals based on teachings of professed satanist Allister Crowley .. i.e 9/11. (see book 'the most dangerous book in the world') Perhaps it's not a fairytale after all?

That is the "big lie". That all gods are the same god.

Your god is schizo?

Give me 1 fact that god exists :?
I Can Give you 1 fact that god doesn't exist !