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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33977942  Spain02/09/2013 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33743976  United Kingdom02/09/2013 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | VACUUM....vaaaaacccccuuuuuum. (chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot pie) Electromagnetism isn't affected by the effects of a vacuum. And magnetic field lines stretch through the entirity of space, all one needs is an amplifier. May I interject? Law of Conservation of energy would be overturned! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15876775  Canada02/09/2013 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 9.8 M/S is the speed of gravity, on this celestial body Quoting: Dark Stranger 3003754 light is like... way faster. I"vE got a question for ya, If all the cows stopped farting would we solve global warming? or, lemme put it like this: what if all the water on earth froze, would the fish learn how to ice-skate? You're such an idiot it's actually laughable. You think acceleration is speed. Rofl. I pity you... I really really do. |
| Anonymous astrophysicist User ID: 1378343  United States02/09/2013 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, it hasn't You don't understand that there is no such word as equipotential and there is a good reason for that. Equal potential is the correct way of saying it, and though objects with equal electrical potential DO exhibit gravitational attraction, this in no way detracts from my explanation. THE INDIVIDUAL charges particles involved attract the neutrons Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicist 1378343 I would like to add to this that neutrons do not effect the over all charge of a mass and yet they can be attracted to both the protons and electrons in the other mass by the difference in electrical potential, THIS IS GRAVITY, period. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29666542 United States02/09/2013 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok, here goes. light is a particle and my theory is gravity is just the attraction between two substances. Something in everything that we see on earth is attracted to something on the earth. If it wasn't it would have thrown off by centrifugal force. even the atmosphere has particulars that fix themselves in a spot of the atmosphere that equals their attraction as compared to the centrifugal force that is exerted by the spinning of the earth. Look at the holes in the ozone. I don't believe they are really holes so to speak. I believe that there is just less centrifugal force so the elements get pulled down to the surface, slowly drift into an area of great centrifugal force and then eventually work their way up again. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29666542 Take the moon for example. Think of the force of centrifugal force it must be exerting. Yet it also has a very strong magnetic pull to the earth and it found the position necessary to maintain its place relative to us. This also the case of binary stars. It would stand to reason in my mind that all stars have to be binary to maintain some semblance of order to support life on planets around it. When I say magnetism, I am not talking about just attraction to metal. There is more to it than that. Therefore, the speed of light is just one a measurement of one particle that we can see. Perhaps when light is created it becomes repellent or like trying to put to ends of the same magnet together, therefore travels away from where it was created. Maybe black holes are just the attractant for light particulars. Perhaps we are not seeing actual galaxies being swallowed by black holes, just the light from thos galaxies as it get s near it. Maybe each galaxy has a black hole to recycle light into something we are unaware of that is essential to the health of the galaxy. I guess what I am saying is gravity, in my humble opinion cannot be measured by velocity, but by elemental attraction. Interesting thoughts. I feel like there is also something else, though (if possible), because in visually trying to wrap my mind around it, I get to a point where elemental attraction makes sense to me, to a point. But, in my thoughts that attraction must involve a 3rd player of some kind, I can't think of it as being exclusive. The attraction thing is just a part that our small minds have to theorize. We know that some things attract like magnets. I am not sure if anyone knows exactly why, but it can be observed. Another element that people tend to forget is that we are living in a sea of air. We can't see it, but there is a layer of air that can't permeate that can't fit anymore in around the earth. The earth is trying to spin it off, but it is being pulled back. So when we are moving around, we get more stability because all of the space is being filled with something that we don't realize is actually supporting us. Like water but thinner. As far as gravity is concerned, I don't think there is anything more than centrifugal force and attraction. I would be willing to bet that there are layers of material around the sun, that we haven't discovered yet that help support the planets. |
| Anonymous astrophysicist User ID: 1378343 United States02/09/2013 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | attraction has been measured between 2 masses that are equipotential. Wouldn't call it electrostatic. Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicist 1378343 No, it hasn't You don't understand that there is no such word as equipotential and there is a good reason for that. Equal potential is the correct way of saying it, and though objects with equal electrical potential DO exhibit gravitational attraction, this in no way detracts from my explanation. THE INDIVIDUAL charges particles involved attract the neutrons It's not, he's full of shit. Quoting: Kirk Gravitation is easily observable on zero-mass particles as well. HORSE SHIT reference your comment. And don't give me no "photonic" jewshit Where is this fool observing zero mass particles anyway.. Role play. They are intentionally messing up the quotes to make the intelligent responders look like the idiots. |
scimitar  User ID: 23549452 United States02/09/2013 04:45 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Properly stated......... Quoting: scimitar It is my opinion, created from a basic knowledge and my imagination that gravity is a side effect of photonic energy. As a photon propogates through space it possesses apparent mass, meaning it is affected by real mass. If real mass is in actuality captive photonic energy and a photon consists of an orthogonally coupled magnetic and electrical oscillation packet we can draw a possible answer. Perhaps the transitional state of spin energy produces a gravity way that propogates omnidirectionaly from the source of origin. Beyond that thought I can really go no further. Perhaps someday someone else can, but it must be based in part on previously known facts that can be experimentally eveluated. OCCAMS RAZOR: you're full of shit as a christmas goose. Light has mass And anyone who would eat a Christmas goose full of shit is not worthy of a serious reply. You are walking talking proof that people who subscribe to the religion of modern pseudoscience are idiots who don't understand the simplest of concepts, like an insult for instance. Explain to us all how you got out of that that I would eat a goose full of shit, idiot. You don't reply because you lack the intelligence to retort A Christmas goose would normally be called that because it was ready to cook or already cooked, your statement implies at that time the goose is full of shit. If you want to insult someone you'll have to do better than that. The original precept of my amusment was at people stating something as though it were fact when in Truth it was not. Not sure why people get their panties in such a wad over such a statement, well perhaps those with a very sensitive ego might have an issue. If I bruised anyones ego I apologise, that was not my intent. The attempt at unbridled rudness falls somewhat short of the mark because I remain unphased. Take Care of yourself now, ya hear. Ominous regressions One Truth... many realities |
| aliensbro User ID: 33945667 United States02/09/2013 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | VACUUM....vaaaaacccccuuuuuum. (chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot pie) Electromagnetism isn't affected by the effects of a vacuum. And magnetic field lines stretch through the entirity of space, all one needs is an amplifier. May I interject? Law of Conservation of energy would be overturned! No. The energy isn't created, it's amplified. Just like with a subwoofer on a stereo. You need electricity only to increase electromagnetism. I.e. energy in = speed put out. Not full proof but just an idea. It's the same c oncept as a car amplifier only using magnetism instead. I don't see why it would be violate the law of conversation of energy. |
| DUUUHHH. User ID: 33524048 United States02/09/2013 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| ACTG User ID: 34016002  India02/09/2013 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gravity does not travel, and it is inseparable from the body, just like its mass. But gravitational waves does travel at the speed of light, but it is not gravity. Gravity and gravitational wave is just like air Pressure and Sound. Sound is a moving pressure change through air. Pressure and Pressure wave are different. |
| aliensbro User ID: 33945667 United States02/09/2013 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, it hasn't You don't understand that there is no such word as equipotential and there is a good reason for that. Equal potential is the correct way of saying it, and though objects with equal electrical potential DO exhibit gravitational attraction, this in no way detracts from my explanation. THE INDIVIDUAL charges particles involved attract the neutrons Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicist 1378343 I would like to add to this that neutrons do not effect the over all charge of a mass and yet they can be attracted to both the protons and electrons in the other mass by the difference in electrical potential, THIS IS GRAVITY, period. No one is arguing that matter is attracted to other matter. Gravity is just a term for the attraction of matter. How and why it attracts is what is being debated. Magnetism seems an obvious answer. Our sun produces an electromagnetic field to the edge of our solar system and beyond, no doubt those field lines originally caused the collection of matter that forms our planets where they are. |
| Anonymous astrophysicist User ID: 1378343 United States02/09/2013 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Photons!  Maybe on star trek, but not in reality. I think it noteworthy to mention that start trek was created to promote a one world government, and you can only wonder why they would promote jewish "science" as well. |
| Anti-GLP Effect User ID: 24350194  Philippines02/09/2013 04:48 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes gravity is faster than light. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33977942 position TX and RX parts of following experiment 100m apart. hit an aircore cadaceus coil with an impulse. all types work. i used 1inch radius 12inch length 6crossover nodes. with 32 wraps. use a shielded plate capicatitor feeding a higain opamp to detect the graviton waves generated. use aircoil feeding higain opamp to detect RF wave generated. observe both incoming signals on 2 channel oscilloscope. you will see gravitons coming in before rf which travels at light speed. googlesearch "hodowanec scalar" for further reading. Abstract: Quoting: rexresearch.comPresent-day communications systems largely make use of vector type radiation fields, i.e., electromagnetic waves, to convey information between distant points at the speed of light. Scalar type radiation fields, such as the gravitational field, however, might eventually be useful to convey information essentially ‘instantly’ according to the author’s theories [link to www.rexresearch.com] I can just imagine the day when information is conveyed using gravitational field (and not electromagnetic waves), it will be practically instantaneous, and its reach astronomical. Will the brain receive this conveyed information telephatically?  Last Edited by The Opened Scroll on 02/09/2013 05:03 PM So I have written it, so it shall be done! [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24625287 United States02/09/2013 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gravity does not travel, and it is inseparable from the body, just like its mass. But gravitational waves does travel at the speed of light, but it is not gravity. Gravity and gravitational wave is just like air Pressure and Sound. Sound is a moving pressure change through air. Pressure and Pressure wave are different. Quoting: ACTG Yep. |
| Anonymous astrophysicist User ID: 1378343 United States02/09/2013 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, it hasn't You don't understand that there is no such word as equipotential and there is a good reason for that. Equal potential is the correct way of saying it, and though objects with equal electrical potential DO exhibit gravitational attraction, this in no way detracts from my explanation. THE INDIVIDUAL charges particles involved attract the neutrons Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicist 1378343 I would like to add to this that neutrons do not effect the over all charge of a mass and yet they can be attracted to both the protons and electrons in the other mass by the difference in electrical potential, THIS IS GRAVITY, period. No one is arguing that matter is attracted to other matter. Gravity is just a term for the attraction of matter. How and why it attracts is what is being debated. Magnetism seems an obvious answer. Our sun produces an electromagnetic field to the edge of our solar system and beyond, no doubt those field lines originally caused the collection of matter that forms our planets where they are. Magnetism can only be created in the presence of ferrous materials , gravitational attraction is electrostatic. Don't be a moron. I explained it so simply a smart third grader could understand it and that is the essence of Occams razor, the simplest explaination is most likely the correct answer |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33370245 United States02/09/2013 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well since I'm the only drunk one on the thread probably, I feel the most enlightened to answer this question of scholars. In the words of Jeopardy, what is WHO GIVES A SHIT? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33524048 n not only that but all we know about gravity is still theoretical, so no answer to ur question is presently known. |
| Anti-GLP Effect User ID: 24350194 Philippines02/09/2013 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well since I'm the only drunk one on the thread probably, I feel the most enlightened to answer this question of scholars. In the words of Jeopardy, what is WHO GIVES A SHIT? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33524048 I wouldn't call the ability to travel more than 20,000,000,000 x the speed of light insignificant, as this becomes possible if indeed gravity is faster than light. So I have written it, so it shall be done! [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33743976 United Kingdom02/09/2013 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24625287 VACUUM....vaaaaacccccuuuuuum. (chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot pie) Electromagnetism isn't affected by the effects of a vacuum. And magnetic field lines stretch through the entirity of space, all one needs is an amplifier. May I interject? Law of Conservation of energy would be overturned! No. The energy isn't created, it's amplified. Just like with a subwoofer on a stereo. You need electricity only to increase electromagnetism. I.e. energy in = speed put out. Not full proof but just an idea. It's the same c oncept as a car amplifier only using magnetism instead. I don't see why it would be violate the law of conversation of energy. "subwoofer". I am not seeing the parallel. With your sound amplifier, energy is consumed in the convertion of a longitudinal wave pulse (sound) or, to convert an infrared pulse - a digital series of data strands converted into an electrical voltage. This voltage can be varied when applied to a magnet on a speaker, which affects the wave amplitude (volume) during the convertion back into a longitudinal pulse ( that your ears 'hear'). This process is not energy efficient. This model is absolutely useless in the context you are using it. |
| Nobdy User ID: 34025048 United States02/09/2013 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Professor Xavier I said nothing about it's being a force, its origin, or its dissipation. Have you done the homework I gave you? I'm quite aware of what theoretical science is. Have you got a point to contradict what I said or not cause I'll be done right now i'm not in the mood to get in another shillbattle with a fuckin moron who doesn't have a point to make. So edgy. One must be. Why let stupidity go rampant? Gravity by definition is a force. So explain yourself. We consider forces to be the most basic of things. Like a vehicle, made of many parts, it in itself is not a force. It is a result of many different things acting together. Gravity, perhaps, maybe a consequence that has no 'general' particle. |
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| acegotflows User ID: 28872932 United States02/09/2013 05:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if man could measure the speed of light then he would know where he goes when he sleeps and dies and where his energy is while it is operating this body So that is how in the dark most of you are in your quest to answer this queston "a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth" |
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| Undestroyer Truth User ID: 28511266 United States02/09/2013 05:16 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also we can look at Einstein's equation: E=MC^2 (which has been Verified) to find a relationship between mass and the speed of light where E/C^2=M or C=(E/M)^(1/2) Quoting: Undestroyer Actually this is not true and I have no idea where you got the idea it was verified. When Einsteins calculations are applied to any real life application such as atom bombs and nuclear reactors, his simplistic equation is ALWAYS wrong by a wide margin. This is because he attempts to defy LAWS of physics (which isn't a suprise for a jew) like for instance the conservation of mass and energy, which are proved and thus laws of science Thank you. This is a common misconception amongst americans. They don't realize einstein never actually proved anything except for that gravity doesn't exist in the way he believed it to. Scientists offically state that the earth's center of gravity is about 1/6 of the way to the center, or about 150 miles. Taking away the fact there's no way they could prove this unless they have been in the hollow earth, general physics would tell you the center of "gravity" would be at the center. Einstein was a hack. VERIFIED: [link to www.cosmosmagazine.com] I am not quite sure what attempting to dehumanize Einstein or anyone of any nationality or ethnicity with a view that might be different from your own does for your argument. It has been my experience that those who resort to name calling and stereotyping and puffing themselves up is usually the result of their attempts to compensate for their own inadequacy. You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer. Thread: Food Combining Made Easy by Herbert Shelton a progenitor from the Natural Hygienist Movement "I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede |
| 404error User ID: 1395091  Australia02/09/2013 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I always thought of gravity in this way; You have space. Then you go & put a massive star in it. Now, in a 2D sense, think of that space like foam, & the star as a weight being put onto the foam - the foam compresses under the weight, right? Now think of it in a 3D sense, the star is indenting the space it is occupying, & the resulting force is gravity. The more mass, the more impact on the space the mass is occupying. I'm sure there's already something scientific to explain what I just explained, oh well. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29666542 United States02/09/2013 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: aliensbro I'm quite aware of what theoretical science is. Have you got a point to contradict what I said or not cause I'll be done right now i'm not in the mood to get in another shillbattle with a fuckin moron who doesn't have a point to make. So edgy. One must be. Why let stupidity go rampant? Gravity by definition is a force. So explain yourself. We consider forces to be the most basic of things. Like a vehicle, made of many parts, it in itself is not a force. It is a result of many different things acting together. Gravity, perhaps, maybe a consequence that has no 'general' particle. ^^^^This^^^^. LIke I wrote in an earlier post, in my opinion gravity is nothing more than a byproduct of attraction between two particulars and centrifugal force. Until we figure out what those particle attractions are we will never achieve the speed of light. |
| ACTG User ID: 34016002 India02/09/2013 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | gravity acts upon atoms Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33509776 atoms themselves hold there electron in place electomagnetically the sun/earth just doing the same thing Nope. There are 4 fundamental forces of attraction. Electromagnetic, Gravitational, Weak and strong. Sun/Earth attraction is gravitational, not electromagnetic. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24625287 United States02/09/2013 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: aliensbro I'm quite aware of what theoretical science is. Have you got a point to contradict what I said or not cause I'll be done right now i'm not in the mood to get in another shillbattle with a fuckin moron who doesn't have a point to make. So edgy. One must be. Why let stupidity go rampant? Gravity by definition is a force. So explain yourself. We consider forces to be the most basic of things. Like a vehicle, made of many parts, it in itself is not a force. It is a result of many different things acting together. Gravity, perhaps, maybe a consequence that has no 'general' particle. Matter seemingly affects the geometry of spacetime. The mechanism is not clear. The search seems to be focused on finding the property of matter that does this and how it changes spacetime. But in my opinion you should be looking at the properties of spacetime. Matter may be something akin to "congealed" spacetime...or a "knot" in spacetime. The warping of spacetime may actually result in emergence of matter and the geometries cause these "knots of congealed spacetime" to clump together. This is a wildly simplistic abstraction. So-called "dark matter" and "dark energy" may also provide clues. |
