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Instant Karma  User ID: 30388691 United States12/08/2013 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The penalties in the ACA are taken out of people's tax refunds. Quoting: Instant Karma No jail time, just smaller tax refunds. [link to www.usatoday.com] That's what we used to think. Guess it's another instance of the news media sweet talking this thing. No, that's how the law is written. It's not a matter of opinion. The IRS is in charge of collection, but they aren't allowed to use liens, asset seizures or criminal charges to enforce it. Last Edited by Gimme Some Truth on 12/08/2013 12:58 PM Dollar Deception: How Banks Secretly Create Money: [link to www.webofdebt.com] ALTERED GENES, TWISTED TRUTH: How the Venture to Genetically Engineer Our Food Has Subverted Science, Corrupted Government, and Systematically Deceived the Public: [link to www.amazon.com] 2028 End? [link to 2028end.com] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51248181  Netherlands12/08/2013 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Saddletramp Exactly...you don't have to be a Muslim, but if you're not, you have to pay the tax... It'll be a cold day in hell before I pay that tax. So what happens if you say you're a Muslim? That's not a way out I guess because they they have a whole bunch of expectations or else you get killed? Well if you're a Muslim you're exempt from Obamacare, the rest of that shit they hung around their own neck... You're not following me, I am suggesting "we" become "they". If we declared ourselves to be Muslim ... so what? Could we then go on with our lives the way we want? Muslim is just a word. "There is no God but God." is a pretty generic statement that anyone who believes in a "God" can make. Go ahead and live a lie then! If they exempted pedophiles would you call yourself a pedophile? I mean after all it's only a word. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50558796 United States12/08/2013 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The penalties in the ACA are taken out of people's tax refunds. Quoting: Instant Karma No jail time, just smaller tax refunds. [link to www.usatoday.com] That's what we used to think. Guess it's another instance of the news media sweet talking this thing. No, that's how the law is written. It's not a matter of opinion. Does the law say plainly that nobody can be sent to jail for not participating? |
| Kirk User ID: 49863729 United States12/08/2013 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If people who can afford insurance don't buy it and choose to be a burden on the rest of society... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46648385 Yeah right, what about people who could get a job that just get welfare instead that are a burden on the rest of society! Since when does a free society lock people up for not purchasing a product?!?! Completely unacceptable! Wait, your a burden to society if you refuse to purchase a specific product? Why not let others open their own health plans? That would remove the "burden" but do you see that happening? Fuck this shit, I am a patriot and I will not stand for that! We don't get thrown in jail for not purchasing car insurance- and its MANDATORY. We get fined and ticketed. THIS PROVES HIS BENT TOWARD EXTREME TOTALITARIAN GOVERNMENT!! It will probably end up like car insurance. To walk on public ground we'll need personal health insurance. Walking on public ground w/o insurance is illegal. Will result in our walkers license being revoked. And don't even get caught walking while intoxicated! After 3 offenses, you get your legs shackled for a month. And if you walk on the wrong side of the sidewalk, you might get pulled over and ticketed. All horseshit! If O wants to give us 3 hots and a cot for not buying Ocare then let the party begin. Government is a body largely ungoverned. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50558796 United States12/08/2013 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796 So what happens if you say you're a Muslim? That's not a way out I guess because they they have a whole bunch of expectations or else you get killed? Well if you're a Muslim you're exempt from Obamacare, the rest of that shit they hung around their own neck... You're not following me, I am suggesting "we" become "they". If we declared ourselves to be Muslim ... so what? Could we then go on with our lives the way we want? Muslim is just a word. "There is no God but God." is a pretty generic statement that anyone who believes in a "God" can make. Go ahead and live a lie then! If they exempted pedophiles would you call yourself a pedophile? I mean after all it's only a word. No, pedophile means something specific that does not apply to me, that I find awful. Muslim is another ill-defined word like all the rest of the words defining religion. Muslim, Christian, Jew all purport to use the same Old Testament, and there is probably more range of belief and practice within each one than the differences between them. |
| Saddletramp User ID: 726900  Puerto Rico12/08/2013 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The penalties in the ACA are taken out of people's tax refunds. Quoting: Instant Karma No jail time, just smaller tax refunds. [link to www.usatoday.com] Well I don't get a tax refund, so they will expect me to pay...we'll see how that works out for them. "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
| talkstory User ID: 51246666  Thailand12/08/2013 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No asshole, you DO NOT have to get car insurance or face a penalty. There are a lot of fucking people who don't own a car, don't drive, and don't have auto insurance. Quoting: Term Limits Well, I don't go to the doctor. On the rare occasion I do, I pay cash. That would be similar to renting a car and taking the rental insurance option. This dumb motherfucker cannot go soon enough. ^^^ You really should keep up with ruling of the Supreme court and UCC codes in regards to needing registration or insurance. Get educated. But no you are to busy giving away your rights. Just as they always do convince you that its for your own good and for the good of society and you fight to stand in line to give up your rights. The only vehicles that need to be registered and insured are those used for hire, passengers or goods for money. talkstory |
| Instant Karma User ID: 30388691 United States12/08/2013 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The penalties in the ACA are taken out of people's tax refunds. Quoting: Instant Karma No jail time, just smaller tax refunds. [link to www.usatoday.com] That's what we used to think. Guess it's another instance of the news media sweet talking this thing. No, that's how the law is written. It's not a matter of opinion. Does the law say plainly that nobody can be sent to jail for not participating? The IRS is in charge of collection, but they aren't allowed to use liens, asset seizures or criminal charges to enforce it. Dollar Deception: How Banks Secretly Create Money: [link to www.webofdebt.com] ALTERED GENES, TWISTED TRUTH: How the Venture to Genetically Engineer Our Food Has Subverted Science, Corrupted Government, and Systematically Deceived the Public: [link to www.amazon.com] 2028 End? [link to 2028end.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51248181 Netherlands12/08/2013 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Saddletramp Well if you're a Muslim you're exempt from Obamacare, the rest of that shit they hung around their own neck... You're not following me, I am suggesting "we" become "they". If we declared ourselves to be Muslim ... so what? Could we then go on with our lives the way we want? Muslim is just a word. "There is no God but God." is a pretty generic statement that anyone who believes in a "God" can make. Go ahead and live a lie then! If they exempted pedophiles would you call yourself a pedophile? I mean after all it's only a word. No, pedophile means something specific that does not apply to me, that I find awful. Muslim is another ill-defined word like all the rest of the words defining religion. Muslim, Christian, Jew all purport to use the same Old Testament, and there is probably more range of belief and practice within each one than the differences between them. You my friend have mastered the art of missing a point. |
| Saddletramp User ID: 726900 Puerto Rico12/08/2013 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Saddletramp Exactly...you don't have to be a Muslim, but if you're not, you have to pay the tax... It'll be a cold day in hell before I pay that tax. So what happens if you say you're a Muslim? That's not a way out I guess because they they have a whole bunch of expectations or else you get killed? Well if you're a Muslim you're exempt from Obamacare, the rest of that shit they hung around their own neck... You're not following me, I am suggesting "we" become "they". If we declared ourselves to be Muslim ... so what? Could we then go on with our lives the way we want? Muslim is just a word. "There is no God but God." is a pretty generic statement that anyone who believes in a "God" can make. I'm not changing God's for anyone... There just comes a time you have to take a fuckin' stand... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
| Sobriquet User ID: 42032529 United States12/08/2013 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For the able bodied that are unemployed or have been forced within the past few years to take a cut in pay or into a lower paying job the choice's are clear: A. You morally wish to contribute to society and don't wish to become a burden to anyone. So you are forced to become a low paid worker bee where you are taxed, fined threatened with prison, penalized or otherwise threatened if you step out of line. B. You fall out of society altogether and become fully dependent on the government for all of your needs. Eventually the government will "place you" properly. LOL! There will be no reason to live. This whole health care reform is bullshit. It will destroy what is left of our once awesome country. If we are going to be forced to have medical insurance then I say it should be the type supported by sales taxes across the board. Get rid of the USELESS insurance companies and place cost limits on medical workers and medicines.  Government... Govern: CONTROL Ment: MIND CONTROL MIND;MIND CONTROL The terrorists attacks which will be launched in the United States will be blamed upon middle eastern religious fanatics, Christian fundamentalists, white supremacists, Patriots, or Militias. A more immediate result of these operations will be the increased use of military forces, weaponry, and equipment such as tanks and armored personnel carriers in civilian law enforcement, the suspension or elimination of Habeas Corpus, the elimination of jury trials, the attempted disarming of the American People, and the institution of martial law with show-trials conducted by a tribunal of judges. - William Cooper 1997 (RIP) "If it's TRUE, it cannot be a THEORY!" -- Kentroversy (02/23/07) The light is always stronger than the darkness. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. - John 3:19 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. - Mark 13:29 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51248181 Netherlands12/08/2013 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796 So what happens if you say you're a Muslim? That's not a way out I guess because they they have a whole bunch of expectations or else you get killed? Well if you're a Muslim you're exempt from Obamacare, the rest of that shit they hung around their own neck... You're not following me, I am suggesting "we" become "they". If we declared ourselves to be Muslim ... so what? Could we then go on with our lives the way we want? Muslim is just a word. "There is no God but God." is a pretty generic statement that anyone who believes in a "God" can make. I'm not changing God's for anyone... There just comes a time you have to take a fuckin' stand... ^^^^^THIS^^^^^ |
| davvi User ID: 3677166 United States12/08/2013 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If people who can afford insurance don't buy it and choose to be a burden on the rest of society... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46648385 Yeah right, what about people who could get a job that just get welfare instead that are a burden on the rest of society! He is absolutely freakin' nuts, is what he is...and so are most of them who have been elected to SERVE the people of this country. They see themselves as "royalty." If you have never watched John Stossel's show, I would suggest you do. Watching yesterday as he interviewed a man whose property has been seized by the Federal Government because an endangered frog "may live there." The frog is not native to the area and has never been seen there, but just in case, the feds are ready. The "commissioner" who seized the land thought the seizure necessary and I thought watching him, "of course he does because without illegal seizures such as this the commish would have no job." We live in a police state...except in most police states we would be more free. :1012 statism: |
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| THE INQUISADOR User ID: 47165686 United States12/08/2013 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I refuse to participate in a violation of my beliefs. If I go to jail, lose what little I have, so be it. This is not worth the loss of my soul. Quoting: tiger1 Going to jail is still complying with their bullshit scam. I refuse to comply in all regards, and that means I will not go to jail for something like this. If one chooses to go to jail forcibly by not paying fines, then you have lost everything anyway. If you choose not to fight back at that point then we are in serious trouble. Come on man, this is the final push! We have to fight for our national identity! If they dictate to us that we have to buy something and we comply, we will never recover as a nation. This is it! This is our generation's fight! Never give in, and never give up!  :nose23l36: SCOTLAND FOREVER America is the Grand Experiment..Let us not Fail.. Listed Number 1 in the Guinness World Record Book of EXTRA LARGE Steel Balls Opinions are like Farts..Only the very best linger on and on Great Men wake up to slay spam tards. Most are content to chase lizards. Therein lies the difference. Live Brave.LIVE FREE. Murphy is my patron Saint. I SIGN MY NEG KARMA |
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| N3vyn User ID: 51208738  South Africa12/08/2013 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does he always speak like this, like he doesn't actually know what he is saying, to me he is saying do what we say or suffer the consequences. Shame, how did this douchebag become president anyway, the americans I have met on GLP are pretty intelligent, most of them anyway. I don't understand how he got there, and this is his second term right? When in doubt, whip it out!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1253218 United States12/08/2013 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, you would rather imprison them at a cost to taxpayers of thousands of dollars a year, and put their families on welfare, all because they refuse to be forced to buy something they either don't want or can't afford? Yeah, that'll lesson the burden on society. Quoting: Revbo™ Bite me, you Kenyan commie bastard. Who voted this asstard into office? Jail time for not buying insurance.. give me a fucking break.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 39595739 United States12/08/2013 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There ya go, I said he'd start trying to vilify the 'non-conformists' and there he is doing it! Turning people on each other for not buying into this illegal system. Watch who you tell that you don't have health insurance or wont get it... THERE WILL BE A 1-800 NUMBER to call and report 'freeloaders'. The last great step, probably only a few weeks away, will be a monetary 'reward' for turning in family or friends.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50558796 United States12/08/2013 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50558796 That's what we used to think. Guess it's another instance of the news media sweet talking this thing. No, that's how the law is written. It's not a matter of opinion. Does the law say plainly that nobody can be sent to jail for not participating? The IRS is in charge of collection, but they aren't allowed to use liens, asset seizures or criminal charges to enforce it. So the IRS can't use criminal charges. Can the US Justice Department or anyone else use criminal charges? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50429841 United States12/08/2013 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I refuse to participate in a violation of my beliefs. If I go to jail, lose what little I have, so be it. This is not worth the loss of my soul. Quoting: tiger1 I make 50 grand a year, my employer package just came out, the lowest premium package costs me 70 dollars a week for me and my wife. that's 3000 dollars per year in premiums. On top of that is a 5000 dollar deductible. that makes it 8000 dollars a year. on top of that is 125000 max out of pocket. That puts the annual total at 20500 dollars if one of us gets sick. But wait then there is 45 dollar office visits that are added on and 350 dollar er visits per visit for both, which would add at least another 400 dollars so thats now 21000 per year if we get sick ...HALF MY INCOME. Fuck Obama and fuck ANYONE that tries to force me to pay. If they want to put me in jail, then by God I will give them a reason to or die in the process. This Kenyan piece of shit is WAY out of line and push is about to come to shove. FUCK THIS SHIT |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50558796 United States12/08/2013 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There ya go, I said he'd start trying to vilify the 'non-conformists' and there he is doing it! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39595739 Turning people on each other for not buying into this illegal system. Watch who you tell that you don't have health insurance or wont get it... THERE WILL BE A 1-800 NUMBER to call and report 'freeloaders'. The last great step, probably only a few weeks away, will be a monetary 'reward' for turning in family or friends. Oh I see, because only the IRS will know who doesn't have it otherwise. Yeah, it might go like this. Or the evidence comes out in family court or whatever if you're involved in an unrelated proceeding. |
| Saddletramp User ID: 726900 Puerto Rico12/08/2013 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The entire notion that there are somehow millions of people out there smoking cigars and eating caviar that could afford health insurance but don't buy it because they are just too greedy as absolute bull shit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46648385 If you have any assets and you show up at a hospital without insurance the hospital will turn you over to a collection agency and they will file liens on you, and fuck up your credit. People that can afford insurance already HAVE insurance. They have insurance because they have something to lose and they don't want to lose it when the hospital sues them. The people that don't have insurance don't have it because they can't afford it. These are the people Obama wants to force to buy insurance. What does he expect them to do, go out and steal to get the money? Well because of Zerocare my insurance is canceling at my renewal next summer, I could probably afford to buy a new policy, but I don't feel like paying for someone elses abortion, so I think I will just self-insure and go without... Cash still works at my doctors office, and it's just 1/3 the cost to pay cash rather than go through insurance... Fuck Obama, If I want to use my the money I save on not buying insurance to buy some caviar and a box of Opus X cigars, what the fuck business is it of his?!?!? Last Edited by Saddletramp on 12/08/2013 02:02 PM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 46813305 United States12/08/2013 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hungarians stormed parliament, burned some of the rooms and rioted when one of our former prime ministers was caught lying. Quoting: Zugzwang 51081487 Who are these American pussies? What have these people done to you to make you such cowards? Waiting it out? Seeing what happens? Maybe God will swoop in and save your country? haha. Maybe that's it. So many religious fools think God will save them, thus they do NOTHING. Sad sad sad So. As I suspected he is pushing us into a Civil War on purpose. Martial Law, camps, EOs and bam, he remains President/Dictator. I'm wondering the same thing myself! They castrated our men. It is likely the fact they've poisoned us to stupidity with chemtrails among other things. Most are truly unaware of the brain damage we are being handed. You seem to forget they took God out of our country almost literally. Few of our youth are religious. I state right here that I refuse to be forced into this government disaster. I reckon here is where they break out the camps. So be it. And btw Obama whatever your real name is: God does exist and He is coming with great wrath to settle up with you. You are nearly out of time. Your bunker is not deep enough. |
| Kirk User ID: 49863729 United States12/08/2013 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I refuse to participate in a violation of my beliefs. If I go to jail, lose what little I have, so be it. This is not worth the loss of my soul. Quoting: tiger1 I make 50 grand a year, my employer package just came out, the lowest premium package costs me 70 dollars a week for me and my wife. that's 3000 dollars per year in premiums. On top of that is a 5000 dollar deductible. that makes it 8000 dollars a year. on top of that is 125000 max out of pocket. That puts the annual total at 20500 dollars if one of us gets sick. But wait then there is 45 dollar office visits that are added on and 350 dollar er visits per visit for both, which would add at least another 400 dollars so thats now 21000 per year if we get sick ...HALF MY INCOME. Fuck Obama and fuck ANYONE that tries to force me to pay. If they want to put me in jail, then by God I will give them a reason to or die in the process. This Kenyan piece of shit is WAY out of line and push is about to come to shove. FUCK THIS SHIT So you finally see the O administration as an occupying force? Good. One more sees it. Government is a body largely ungoverned. |
