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andrew User ID: 783807 Ukraine 10/01/2009 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I found this article may be very fitting with ZetaTalk. Quoting: taterLet's see how many of these criteria fit Nancy and ZetaTalk. Marcia Rudin's 14 Common Characteristics of a Cult 1. Members swear total allegiance to an all-powerful leader who they believe to be the Messiah. 2. Rational thought is discouraged or forbidden. 3. The cult's recruitment techniques are often deceptive. 4. The cult weakens the follower psychologically by making him or her depend upon the group to solve his or her problems. 5. The cults manipulate guilt to their advantage. 6. The cult leader makes all the career and life decision of the members. 7. Cults exist only for their own material survival and make false promises to work to improve society. 8. Cult members often work fulltime for the group for little or no pay. 9. Cult members are isolated from the outside world and any reality testing it could provide. 10. Cults are anti-woman, anti-child, and anti-family. 11. Cults are apocalyptic and believe themselves to be the remnant who will survive the soon-approaching end of the world. 12. Many cults follow an "ends justify the means" philosophy. 13. Cults, particularly in regard to their finances, are shrouded in secrecy. 14. There is frequently an aura of or potential for violence around cults. Commentary by Nori J. Muster If you think you might be involved in a cult, ask yourself some serious questions about the group. Do you have to change who you are to fit in, please others? Do they set up a duality of "us" and "them" and tell you that people outside the group are bad, less important? Do they treat "outsiders" badly or talk behind their backs? Do they treat members badly? Do they give a false impression to the public? Do they predict that society is on the brink of destruction? Further symptoms: Cult leaders are often psychopathic and power hungry. They teach their followers that the outside world is evil; that the cult offers the only salvation. This creates an atmosphere of isolation, leading to hopelessness. Cult recruiters target people with low self-esteem, presenting the group as a loving surrogate family. Members are taught to do whatever the family asks. They must repress their individuality and work for the good of the group. New people may receive red carpet treatment, but once they are established members, they may be exploited and abused. They may alter their personalities to please authority figures and fit into the group. Cult leaders preach that society is on the brink of destruction, reinforced by isolating their members and controlling the flow of information within the cult. They manipulate members with guilt and fear. Cults try to portray themselves as benign and may hide undesirable aspects of their operation from the public and from members. Thus the stereotype of "blind" followers. debunked already |
Circuit Breaker User ID: 766491 United States 10/01/2009 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since you either missed this or ignored it, I'll post it again: As we all know, Nancy had some images taken at coordinates given to her by the "Zetas" and then those images were analyzed with Nancy declaring that "Planet X" was found. Whether it was or wasn't isn't really important. But, that leaves me with some questions: If "Planet X" is here now, as Nancy and Gerard maintain, then why hasn't she gotten the location from the "Zetas" and had someone she trusts take some new images? They could easily obtain their own telescope and do it. Since "Planet X" is supposedly somewhere near the sun, they wouldn't have needed an elaborate and expensive telescope. They could probably get everything they needed for around $500. Or, they could go all out. Hap offered the use of his professional grade equipment. All Nancy had to do was go herself or appoint someone she trusted to do it for her. This would have been the best solution. For one thing, we know the equipment would have been of good quality and properly set up. Second, we know the observation methods used would be sound. Third, there would be witnesses...bunker and debunker. And finally, if "Planet X" was found...it would have been done on equipment owned by a debunker. All of this would have made it the ultimate win-win situation for Nancy. There would be no more debate or argument. They'd be able to rub our little debunker noses in it. And yet, none of them have tried either method. Why? Gerard...Andrew? Care to explain that one? A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
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andrew User ID: 783807 Ukraine 10/01/2009 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guess you love Lenin, little communist boy ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 783724he was a true idealist, unlike what has come after him - Stalins purge. Stalin was in Lenin's surrounding and he (Stalin) was eager for power from the very beginning, and had secret disdain for Lenin, exactly because his idealism and dedication, which were not in Stalins intent. You are so stupid Andrew ... unbelievable ... look here: [link to en.wikipedia.org] "The campaign of mass repressions was officially initiated as retribution for the assassination of Petrograd Cheka leader Moisei Uritsky, and attempted assassination of Vladimir Lenin by Fanya Kaplan on August 30, 1918. While recovering from his wounds, Lenin instructed: "It is necessary - secretly and urgently to prepare the terror" [10] Even before the assassinations, Lenin was sending telegrams "to introduce mass terror" in Nizhny Novgorod in response to a suspected civilian uprising there, and "crush" landowners in Penza who protested, sometimes violently, to requisition of their grain by military detachments:[2] "Comrades!... You must make example of these people. (1) Hang (I mean hang publicly, so that people see it) at least 100 kulaks, rich bastards, and known bloodsuckers. (2) Publish their names. (3) Seize all their grain. (4) Single out the hostages per my instructions in yesterday's telegram." Five hundred "representatives of overthrown classes" were executed immediately by the Bolshevik communist government after the assassination of Uritsky [3]." the fault with communism was not the concept but the spiritual orientation of those practicing it. Greed, selfish interest, and lack of care for others ruined it for all. Those who speak of communism as an evil are primarily interested in capitalism as a replacement, so that greed, self interest, and lack of care for others can be more extreme. [link to www.zetatalk.com] |
Earth420 User ID: 783274 United States 10/01/2009 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi ya all! Quoting: Menow 405501And yes, Zetatalk is not a cult... Peace Why do you believe what Nancy tells you? Hello Menow! Hope all is well... and I think no answer would suffice to satisfy what would be of your rational belief in your judgement and conclusion on this subject... but thats ok! I as well am a bit watchful of our earthquakes at the moment, and feeling for Mother Earth... Take care man! We are in these times together regardless of what you think of me! ;) Peace Your response is full of judgement of me and lacking any direct response to my question. I am sorry you do not approve! But then again, dont you already have judgement upon me? Already a conclusion and view upon my person based on my beliefs? Peace Love to Mother Earth Always |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 783724 Germany 10/01/2009 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | then, you and all those clinging to "common reason" and science are nothing but dark cultists, because you treat people who dont agree with your worldview as "subhumans" and openly call for their rights removed and possibly incarcerated. Quoting: andrewand cult it is! pretty violent and dangerous one! All real scientists are open to new ideas if they can be proven ... ZetaTalk can not prove its claims at all. |
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andrew User ID: 783807 Ukraine 10/01/2009 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes, fault is a weak spot in the plates, you got it absolutely right! Quoting: Circuit BreakerBut Andrew....faults are based on Earth science and you reject that. did i say that science is alltogether wrong? no. that again tells more about you - you cannot think for yourself, and you surmise that others do the same. nice try, though. |
Andrew User ID: 997 United States 10/01/2009 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fine, Andrew -- I just felt sorry for you, but if you want to look like an even bigger doofus than you already do, carry on. People who can't even spell don't make compelling arguments for anything else. And weren't you the one who earlier posted you didn't want to send your kids to school? Edukashun. Git you sum. |
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andrew User ID: 783807 Ukraine 10/01/2009 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nah, Andrew baby, we don't want you incarcerated. Quoting: Returner 997We just want you to stop being such a dumbass. Which may simply be beyond your meager abilities. hm, how am i a dumbass? why does it "hurt" you so much? why do YOU care at all??.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 783724 Germany 10/01/2009 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the fault with communism was not the concept but the spiritual orientation of those practicing it. Greed, selfish interest, and lack of care for others ruined it for all. Those who speak of communism as an evil are primarily interested in capitalism as a replacement, so that greed, self interest, and lack of care for others can be more extreme. Quoting: andrew[link to www.zetatalk.com] You are avoiding tha point like usual ... you said a few minutes ago: he was a true idealist, unlike what has come after him - Stalins purge. Stalin was in Lenin's surrounding and he (Stalin) was eager for power from the very beginning, and had secret disdain for Lenin, exactly because his idealism and dedication, which were not in Stalins intent. Quoting: andrewI proved that you were wrong since Lenin pushed "Red Terror" ... you are avoiding the point because I proved you failed. |
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Andrew User ID: 997 United States 10/01/2009 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're a dumbass because you support ZT. ZT is composed of utter and complete dumbassery. You support ZT, even when presented with clear evidence of ZT's dumbassery. Thus, you are a dumbass. QED. And I don't care that you're a dumbass. But poking dumbasses with the sharp and pointy stick of Reason is fun. |
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Circuit Breaker User ID: 766491 United States 10/01/2009 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | did i say that science is alltogether wrong? no. Quoting: andrewYes, you pretty much did...or you implied it. that again tells more about you - you cannot think for yourself, and you surmise that others do the same. Quoting: andrewnice try, though. I can think for myself. That's how I know you're wrong and that's how I know Nancy is wrong. Nice try though. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 783724 Germany 10/01/2009 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All real scientists are open to new ideas if they can be proven ... ZetaTalk can not prove its claims at all. Quoting: andrewheh! what a joke! if they where they would never become "real" ("recognized", licenzed) scientists! Qout mining again, debunkers win. |
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Returner User ID: 997 United States 10/01/2009 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once again, Andumb, you demonstrate your utter failure in understanding how science and scientists work. Science changes *itself* constantly, because it adheres to unbiased examination of facts. Dumbassery such as ZT adheres to whatever crap Nancy mutters. See the difference? |
andrew User ID: 783807 Ukraine 10/01/2009 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the fault with communism was not the concept but the spiritual orientation of those practicing it. Greed, selfish interest, and lack of care for others ruined it for all. Those who speak of communism as an evil are primarily interested in capitalism as a replacement, so that greed, self interest, and lack of care for others can be more extreme. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 783724[link to www.zetatalk.com] You are avoiding tha point like usual ... you said a few minutes ago: he was a true idealist, unlike what has come after him - Stalins purge. Stalin was in Lenin's surrounding and he (Stalin) was eager for power from the very beginning, and had secret disdain for Lenin, exactly because his idealism and dedication, which were not in Stalins intent. I proved that you were wrong since Lenin pushed "Red Terror" ... you are avoiding the point because I proved you failed. "terror" against those rich bastards that grab all domestic product to themselves. or maybe "terror" is what done against criminals? |
***ZetaMax*** User ID: 659599 United States 10/01/2009 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | then, you and all those clinging to "common reason" and science are nothing but dark cultists, because you treat people who dont agree with your worldview as "subhumans" and openly call for their rights removed and possibly incarcerated. Quoting: Circuit BreakerNo...because there's more than one criteria to be considered a cult. You only named two....the second of which isn't even true. and cult it is! pretty violent and dangerous one! And yours isn't? I guess Nancy telling me to go "drown in the pole shift" or to "find myself clinging to the side of a mountain with my limbs broken and useless" isn't considered violent in your world. >> find myself clinging to the side of a mountain with my limbs broken and useless It doesn't have to end that way ... But time for your "awakening" is RUNNING OUT!! The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
Circuit Breaker User ID: 766491 United States 10/01/2009 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | heh! what a joke! Quoting: andrewif they where they would never become "real" ("recognized", licenzed) scientists! Based on what? Show your supporting evidence of this. And here you just claimed you didn't say all science was wrong. Now, you basically are. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
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Circuit Breaker User ID: 766491 United States 10/01/2009 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't have to end that way ... Quoting: ***ZetaMax***And it won't. But time for your "awakening" is RUNNING OUT!! Quoting: ***ZetaMax***Why? I awakened in 2003 when "Planet X" failed to show up. And the past 6 years have justified that. Thanks for your concern "fence sitter." Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 10/01/2009 12:02 PM A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
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