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By the way, you're clearly a winter: dramatic dark-light. I am a summer, fairer, slightly warmer brown, but cool side of colours too: straight (not bright or, alternatively, creamy) pinks, browns, blues, yellows, leaf green -- pewter or silver, and even a bit of gold if it's mixed with the silver. A bit fairer, therefore than a winter. I have cool wine red/cherry/burgundy. Flat pure white.

Winters have cool colours like me: starker silver, rainbow pure hues, black and white and greys, and ice colours: almost no colour, but rainbow hues. They have cherry and fire-engine red. Bright blue-white or flat white.

WARM:
Springs have creamy and caramel and salmon versions of hues (plus tomato red-orange). Cream.

And Autumns have darker or brighter stronger colours (like winters) but warm: brick red, aubergine purples, mustard yellows, warm emerald, warm rich browns, etc. They have brick red or warm wine/burgundy (like cranberries not cherries). Ecru (greenish/yellowish) "white" only, no other whites.

Jeez ... of course.

But the faces are pasted EXACTLY the same. No difference in any of them. Same angles, same exact expression.

Now go to the next one.

Cut-paste ...

And a bit of smoothing airbrushing.

This is why you could be fooled by ONE comparison and think it's normal. But when the same view occurs 6 times, you may want to begin noticing other things:

Neck joins,
Ear angles (and flip-flops of ears),
teeth smudged while lip moved up, all else same ...

and so on.

Also, some have the quality of real photos; some do not, if you look closely.

And on it goes.

Keep going ... check out the FDNY in the middle (the B/W ones) -- there's TONS who are (jokingly) called "brothers/cousins" they're so obviously composites.

Okay, one might not be. I'll give you that. If you had one, it MIGHT be the whole smoking gun (sad if that's the case), or it MIGHT be genuine (happy if that's the case). But these are MANY MANY MANY MANY.

[link to septemberclues.info]

Upsetting, isn't it.

I feel for you. I felt the same way. But hey, reason dictates ploughing forward.

I've *looked* at them. And the evidence itself requires the statement.

Some are real family members, some cannot be -- or they're carrying faked photos. But then, why?

:)

[link to septemberclues.info]

I have been in contact with 'The Guy' he has agreed but his internet connectivity is probably too slow through June, he has suggested July and I have agreed. This gives us both enough time to prepare and do the best possible job on the CHEMTRAIL DEBATE.

No, there are not thousands of people who saw enough to trust their own senses.

Plus, some have come forward.

And some will keep silence.

Lagasse came forward; he's now silent ON HIS KEY STATEMENTS about the trajectory at the Pentagon.

As well, remember JFK's death? People think "no one talked"? Lots did ... but many weren't listening (to this day).

This stuff is coming out.

But a fast plane of some kind or missile quickly going in? You only had 18 min's or so between hits on WTC buildings. In those 18 min's not one interviewed witness said a plane EXCEPT THE NEWS-RELATED PEOPLE -- who weren't on location (see Sept. Clues Movie on that: they cover who the witnesses on air were). Dahler was on air and said he didn't see anything; he suggested maybe a missile and to keep one's mind open. ... Another woman said she didn't see anything or hear anything.

This was the 1st "hit" or whatever it was; the 2nd had more witnesses, but there weren't that many interviews; the ones there were included Welz (posing), and Harley Guy (with his miraculous explanation of the tower coming down); the rest were again talking from their home (and were affiliated with the News agency as producers, etc.).

Mostly, you had talking heads and replays of the CGI plane hits.

Now the footage has been re-edited on the "Official Archives" though, to remove some of the clearer evidences of fakery. Some is still there though -- and the fact they're faking the day's broadcasts for the archives. LOL if it weren't sickening.

Over a million Iraqi people are dead -- not to mention wounded and traumatized; and probably far more US/NATO than they're saying. They use mercenaries, and they're not counted properly for our stats we see repeated.

Then there's the cover-up (not complete, though) of the depleted uranium use. There was a show on Fetzer about the Veterans' Compensation people (whatever they're called in the US, I can't remember) ... who are denying claims for those people. And the guy interviewed, Doug Rokke, was one of the uranium inspectors or developers for military use ... something like that ... and his OWN case was denied as if he didn't have poisoning.

So he became an activist to help others. He was saying the real stats are stunningly off.

Here it is (2nd hour). First hour is on 9/11 with no guest --

[link to nwopodcast.com]

Look again then.

Cut-paste; and the FDNY faces in b/w morph.

ALL these people having "co-incidental" exact likenesses -- or feature likeness, in the case of the FDNY "brother-cousin" section?

Come on.

You just WANT to believe the fakery wasn't so thorough.

It's sloppy; you can tell.

:)

Sorry Clare, I am too busy working to get anti HST tax petitions signed and stop the lifting of offshore oil drilling in OUR COUNTRY, things that WILL affect me and my fellow citizens if we all stick our head in pointless affairs beyond our borders. I am also involved in protests about the 1 billion dollar security tab for the G8 and G20 charade in Toronto this month, which you and I will be paying for. I prefer to do what I can to keep awful things that destroy our way of life from happening. I'm sorry you think half baked conspiracy theories merit more attention.

Glad you like my summer home, Clare ;)

Mowing that lawn is a real chore.

And about my IP banning earlier -- it was nothing personal. I use a Verizon air card on a netbook when I'm not at work, and sometimes the Verizon IPs get blocked en masse. I tried my usual proxies, but they were banned too.

I've been doing yard work too. It's hot here!

Time to get back at it!

Returner, not sure if this will work.

I did the Do_not_use_this thing and uploaded an album, but am not sure if this will show right. It says for IM and e-mail here's the url ...

[link to tinypic.com]

Just for fun I put up an 1830 woodcut from Japan of a UFO with the testimonies of the people (in Japanese) and the strange characters they said they saw. You can tell those.

There's also some pics: one of the conspiracy of the Batavians (an attempt to free themselves of Roman rule) by Rembrandt, a pic of a mad mass ceremony by Goya, some lovely pics of his lover by Modigliani and two favourites of mine by Van Gogh.

Oh, and a marvellous -- THOUGHTFUL (as if I can't recognize thinking -- some people here have suggested!) -- re-creation and dissection of visual meaning, of a bull, by Picasso.

:)

Okay, it works. But to see some of the pics you have to click on the album. They're all in there, but only a few show on the main page.

Not used to the site yet, of course. :)

Yard work between Neuschwanstein and Texas. Lots!

We're getting rain now soon.

What do you do besides hang at Zeta debunker sites and lawn work -- or is the latter a full-time thing? LOL

Hate the HST, too.

As to the facts and the theories from them re. 9/11 fakery:
Well, they happen not to be half baked, sadly.

And that's related to the drilling, the G8, etc.

There's no borders now, regarding policies on key issues.

That's their hope and intent, these creeps.

As to our own candidates: Harper AND Ignatieff want the war. The latter just makes a distinction -- the only one he can make -- that he's more Liberal socially on the small front: gay rights, etc.

Ugh...this fuckin' thread.

So, 5 witnesses at a Citgo station trump dozens and dozens of others.

April Gallop's word is the final one.

This guy Lear is a reputable "expert" who trumps all others.

Every video taken of planes flying into the Trade Center buildings was fake.

All the passengers on all the planes were...well, you still haven't displayed the integrity required to back up that particular claim...

Nevertheless, I'm glad I participated in this "discussion" because, unfortunately, there are people like you in this world, with mind-blowingly atrocious standards, who are easily-duped and influenced by what passes for "scholarship" on the internet, and so I think it's important to know, as a result, how you "people" think.

And....I've about reached my "end-stage".

I really do hope though someday you have the balls to attend a 9-11 memorial and back up your claims by trying to tell the grieving individuals that they're, indeed, "fake" relatives.

I mean...what's stopping you? Do you not believe this is the case? If I TRULY believed these awful crimes were committed NOTHING would stop me from throwing it back in the face of those responsible.

But you won't. Because you're spineless.

In response to my post where I surgically-dissected your post you put up links to no less than ten Youtube videos.

That was enough for me. This is amateur-hour.

You kind of disguest me, "mclarek". I want you to read that sentence over again and know that I mean it.

May no one I care about ever come to be as naive and easily-swayed as your posts plainly prove certain indivuals can so easily be...

I am just going to ignore you Clare and hope you take the hint and move your little sideshow to your own thread instead of spoiling this one.

Why? You wanted to see I care about our borders. I do, more than you, it seems: for anyone is a danger to the next generation ... who would not recognize our borders and everyone else's are under siege by internationalists from all locations ("countries", to their mind, not countries, except when the country stands in their way).

Exposing their lies and ties in all things -- war, food, social unrest fomenting, etc. -- is key. 9/11 is a WORLD WAR, in many respects.

And will lead to one shortly if we don't wake up the total fraud of it.

Including video fakery.

Dear Sir Swinging, :)

by the way, nice monicker you have. I like it.

Look -- the fact is we have witnesses for the OPPOSITE of the gov't claim (Citgo, Gallop); we have impossible cabby lamppost; we have parallax prob's in vids (not debatable); we have flip-flop of many faces for victims -- not for all of them; and we have Lear making sensible points about Boeings, which would have to be debunked before you could believe your version of the story, whatever your version exactly is.

It was an intelligence op. We have ONE family member for the victims with no SSDI records and pasted heads, plus some interview or call-in claim to a newspaper.

Come on. You can do it ... the case for ALL REAL people and ALL REAL shots and ALL REAL events is busted.

And from that, you go to the hypothesis that the intelligence op we know already it was -- from other lines of reasoning -- was a complete op, not involving merely technicians to kill and do the explosives and run the missiles, etc., but also people doing photo/video faking and a few people getting fame and money for being a "family".

It has to be or be massive, exponential, repeated and ridiculous co-incidence on a mass scale.

Otherwise, there is no explanation for the copy-paste heads of so many people here ...

Anyway: there is NO explanation for the parallax problems by co-incidence. None. ONLY fakery can do that. Okay? Start there. Sept. Clues part 9; slow it down to think about it.

Be scientific now. Really look. NO OTHER POSSIBILITY. Not even some implausible astronomical weirdness. Nada. Absolute proof of impossible images.

Then ... you'll get the rest.

Very few knew. It was done from a hub.

And some have spoken -- when pressed.

Others changed their story to match the network's story.

And so on.

You know what- this is fucking disgusting and I feel like I have to respond to this one.

Honor Elizabeth Wiano is dead. She was a young girl who managed a retail store.

In the book I read "Among the Heroes" (lame title, yes) there's a photograph of her with her father at her graduation from college. They look exactly alike. They have the exact same eyes.

And it's sad. It's profoundly disturbing. She was in her early-20's. The same age I was at the time. She was pretty. She had her whole life ahead of her. And now she's dead.

"mclarek" has THE BALLS to say her father should be fucking subpoenaed to prove who he is?

You're unbelievable.

If I remember correctly, when Honor called home she wasn't AS LUCKY as some of the other passengers as no ONE WAS HOME. She had to leave a message on an answering machine. The woman sitting next to her (she was in her late-30's, had blonde hair I think, I wanna say her name was "Laura" maybe...) let her use her phone.

Young girl with her whole life ahead of her.

And what is this "mclarek" person doing? Slandering her.

I don't believe in "karma" per se, but people like "mclarek" tempt me to want to think otherwise....

When I said that, I meant hints of FBI taking tapes (one of the "Amateur" footage guys, who also was forced to admit much later that CNN ran "his footage" live too (different shots).

In other words, his 2nd video matched a portion of CNN live. So the 2nd amateur footage wasn't amateur. He then said, oh, he was in the office next door.

Well, if so, how did he get the other footage that supposedly was on site and confiscated by the FBI?

And on it goes.

It's complex in the details to find out how, but as with so many here about "lots of witnesses" and "what they said" and "all those family members" (for the fake photo people, I mean) ... and so on ... YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE INCORRECT.

Anyway, parallax problems are severe, and like DNA proves fakery NO MATTER WHAT. So keep going into the rabbit hole. There's lots more fakery from your international intelligence services to find.

And in the end, let's fight these bastards at every election and by telling others, so that Brzezinski's comments to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) -- Rockefeller's group formed from Britain's RIIA -- will mean something: he said there's a "global awakening" going on and decried the fact, because then the plans (cue Moriarty!) can't go forward for a (nice?!) global government (for them to run with their European and a few Chinese buddies).

Yes, it is disgusting, but kind of funny. They lied. 6 same photos. Wake up.



Said a newspaper planted story, as REQUIRED by the fact all 6 photos are identical in face. IDENTICAL. Flip-flop.



Yup. The photo is there. Check [link to septemberclues.info] Same girl, SAME FACE AND HAIR as each other. One photo is real. All the rest are not.



Called? What call? What message? Maybe. Not absolute proof.



No, slandering THE INTELLIGENCE COUP perpetrated on you. Stop sobbing for a minute IN CASE YOU WERE LIED TO.

You were.



Karma is allowing the past to repeat: stop it in its tracks and realize you were given a real-time movie set to learn as history.

I actually love you guys.

I was like you.

But think as a jury; put ALL your assumptions out the window so you can look at the clues in case they lead somewhere.

They do.

Whoa! A jury which is crying ... to realize the people in their community were fooled. It's happened before.

"He couldn't do that! He's the mayor! Kill his lovely wife?"

Ever seen "Gaslight"?

Clare

Gaslight didn't have a mayor. My statement about a mayor was of the same type as the incredulity in Gaslight.

Starve the attention whore, thread hijacking troll.

Now, "...Sing, I'll sway." you know why detectives and real police and DAs and real (honest) FBI and so on are hardened: to have "THE BALLS" to ask ALL questions.

They become so.

Not all fathers are fathers/ not all mayors are nice/ not all mothers are "sweet"/ etc.

And this is why conspiracy researchers know there's more than one large group of creepazoids out there:

Just the facts, Sir, just the facts.

(Paraphrasing Colombo.)

They have you by "THE BALLS" as you put it.

Afraid of more than what you see inside Canada? You'll never help Canada if you stop at our borders.

Or rather, start there, but it bleeds out beyond ...

Bleed ... bleed ... death ... bleed ... lie ... bleed ...

Anyone seen "Ghostwriter", about prime ministers as actors, who have fallen for the "get the terrorists" crap, and controlled by a CIA whore (female) and her CIA whore (male) from INSIDE A UNIVERSITY ...

ACROSS COUNTRIES: from Britain to the US?

(And of course, though it's not covered in the movie, the US traitors are cross-bred with some inside Britain, but not these few British in the movie, who think it goes the other way.)

I could give a fuck what you think about my "moniker", "mclarek".

There's a guy who used to always be standing at Broad and Walnut. He was in his late-50's/early-60's. He was filthy. Had a pushcart. And attached to his pushcart (I never could figure out how, exactly) he had poster boards with absolutely non-sensical, fucking rambling script scrawled from top-to-bottom, without any regard for grammar or punctuation, in magic marker.

He also wore a hat and on this hat were a few more pieces of poster board (seriously) upon which were further examples of his rantings/ravings.

I almost kind of respected him because he was out there every day. He wore sunglasses and always scowled. He never talked to anyone. I'm not even sure if he was a panhandler. Sometimes as I walked by I'd try to glimpse and read a few words or "sentences" (which were actually easy to read as he wrote almost entirely in block-letters).

Predictably, most of it was "government-centric" and it was incoherent, but aesthetically it kind of had a "punch". It made no sense, but you could tell he was "angry", and I'm pretty sure that was his whole point.

Again, he always out there and eventually became part of the scenery. After a while I barely even noticed him.

That was when it started to really sink in- yeah, no one ever talks to this guy. He's all alone. With his crazy thoughts in his crazy head. It's good to be "outside the box" and "creative", but he was something else...he was crazy. He really was. And it was sad.

So eventually I stopped giving a shit what was written on his posters. He changed them rather frequently. You could tell as some were cleaner than others and some were written with different-colored markers.

But I didn't care. And, honestly, I'm glad I never talked to him. Because all it would've been is more bullshit. I'm not judging him personally. Whatever he had going on- that's his deal, and if he was homeless than he truly had my sympathies.

But his ideas? That bullshit written on his little posters? That he thought made him special? In a very real way, it was pathetic. And I'm glad I never wasted my time.

As far as "mclarek" is concerend, I feel I've wasted enough.

Afraid to start your own thread in case nobody shows up to listen to your delusions? Is that why you insist on taking a thread intended for a different topic that is almost a year old? Not only are you a kook, you have no respect for others.

This is different.

You have not faced the big picture for Canada and cannot help her if you don't.

Re. 9/11: Parallax problems don't lie: they tell you OF the lie. ... the rest is copy-paste, airbrush, plant story, a famous father or mother with the same pictures all flip-flops of each other, and some other things, like pyrotechnics.

Witnesses see what they see from their vantage points (and some can lie); they must be cross examined. Only the Citgo witnesses are at that level of certainty (simple question, sure position) re. flight path -- and even they cannot be trusted on their own for impressions of other things, but a flight path they would have known for sure from where they were.

& I still like your moniker.

:)

But okay. YOU go out there with some garbage about "real issues for Canada" and try to make headway with "normal politics" (which still go on), but without knowing the Bilderberg and Power corp and Bronfman and British and US and Isr. and so on plants, connections, and dirty dealings, you'll be caught out.

The emperor has no clothes. Be the kid who called him (and everyone else) out of their mass delusion. Don't be one of the others who are in it, anymore. You are protecting a lying "Emperor" class.

And our waters (see Council of Canadians) and our borders and CBC and so on will condinue to erode. Or rather BE ERODED DELIBERATELY.

"Oh! How can they do that? Oh that's so awful! No, really? But we need our lakes?" say the people I call to every day at work.

And then I hear CP24's "Ledrew" say to a guy who is talking about how bad the G20 is and why we need to protest it, "But we voted Harper in" as if that excuses what Harper (or anyone else) DOES as a PLANT for IDEOLOGIES AND BUDDIES.