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RA 6h 42m 8.44s, Dec 41 40' 18.94" . . . First Day
RA 6h 41m 55.77s, Dec 41 35' 19.45" . . . Ten Days later

Could you tell if the object was traveling away, toward or parallel to Earth's Orbit? If you can, in the example above which way is it moving?

Astronut might be able to answer

It's not a bad question at all. Here's my answer in short form; worlwide telescope and google sky both suck.

That is just what I said above . . . I am aware that repeated verifiable observance is required to confirm any anomaly.

Thank you greatly for a rational, thoughtful response!

Astronut might be able to answer

It's not a bad question at all. Here's my answer in short form; worlwide telescope and google sky both suck.


The PXers always depend on the poorest observation methods so they can think they find PX within their LARGE margins of error. That has been a constant from the beggining. It's how Nancy has always operated, too.

Astronut might be able to answer

It's not a bad question at all. Here's my answer in short form; worlwide telescope and google sky both suck.


The PXers always depend on the poorest observation methods so they can think they find PX within their LARGE margins of error. That has been a constant from the beggining. It's how Nancy has always operated, too.


Precisely! This is why the 'best' images of Planet X tend to come from web cams!

RA 6h 42m 8.44s, Dec 41 40' 18.94" . . . First Day
RA 6h 41m 55.77s, Dec 41 35' 19.45" . . . Ten Days later

Could you tell if the object was traveling away, toward or parallel to Earth's Orbit? If you can, in the example above which way is it moving?

Not enough information. You need more observations (over the course of about three nights of observing, preferrably separated by a week or two) and you need to know the observer's exact location. Here's some software which can solve for the orbit using that information in what is known as the Gauss' method for orbit determination. From there you can plug the orbit into a variety of programs to visualize the orbit and its relationship to earth.
[link to www.projectpluto.com]

That is just what I said above . . . I am aware that repeated verifiable observance is required to confirm any anomaly.


But you consistently IMPLY that such anomalies are evidence of Planet X. Even if they are genuine anomalies (rather than image defects/artefacts etc.) they are certainly not evidence of Nancy's Planet X, because Nancy's Planet X is completely impossible and ridiculous.

Every claimed physical property of Nancy's Planet X is not compatible with what we know about the Universe, which means it is a figment of Nancy's stupid mind and does not exist in the real world.

Astronut might be able to answer

It's not a bad question at all. Here's my answer in short form; worlwide telescope and google sky both suck.


The PXers always depend on the poorest observation methods so they can think they find PX within their LARGE margins of error. That has been a constant from the beggining. It's how Nancy has always operated, too.


Precisely! This is why the 'best' images of Planet X tend to come from web cams!

Sorry, can't help myself, I have to nitpick; good images of planets are quite possible with webcams:

Yeah, I know, this kind of quality is never what you see when it comes to "planet X" or "nibiru" images :P . It's all about how you use the tools at your disposal, and with nibirutards they're always being used inappropriately, which is precisely why they find problems and errors.

WOW!!! Awesome photo! You took that, right? Do you happen to know which moons those are? I just love Jupiter and Saturn, I can stare at them for hours, even someone else's pics. Thanks for sharing.

WOW!!! Awesome photo! You took that, right? Do you happen to know which moons those are? I just love Jupiter and Saturn, I can stare at them for hours, even someone else's pics. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks! Yeah, that's my best photo of Jupiter so far. The moon on the far left is Io and to its right is Europa.

Astronut might be able to answer

It's not a bad question at all. Here's my answer in short form; worlwide telescope and google sky both suck.


The PXers always depend on the poorest observation methods so they can think they find PX within their LARGE margins of error. That has been a constant from the beggining. It's how Nancy has always operated, too.


Precisely! This is why the 'best' images of Planet X tend to come from web cams!

Sorry, can't help myself, I have to nitpick; good images of planets are quite possible with webcams:
:jupiter200:
Yeah, I know, this kind of quality is never what you see when it comes to "planet X" or "nibiru" images :P . It's all about how you use the tools at your disposal, and with nibirutards they're always being used inappropriately, which is precisely why they find problems and errors.

How did you get that with a webcam?!?!?!? Amazing!

Astronut might be able to answer

It's not a bad question at all. Here's my answer in short form; worlwide telescope and google sky both suck.


The PXers always depend on the poorest observation methods so they can think they find PX within their LARGE margins of error. That has been a constant from the beggining. It's how Nancy has always operated, too.


Precisely! This is why the 'best' images of Planet X tend to come from web cams!

Sorry, can't help myself, I have to nitpick; good images of planets are quite possible with webcams:
:jupiter200:
Yeah, I know, this kind of quality is never what you see when it comes to "planet X" or "nibiru" images :P . It's all about how you use the tools at your disposal, and with nibirutards they're always being used inappropriately, which is precisely why they find problems and errors.



How did you get that with a webcam?!?!?!? Amazing!

I never posted there. Just watched the fun happen. There are some batshit people there, man.

Yep. Folks like that need the protection of a tightly
controlled web board. Unfortunately that also ends up
leading to infighting and destroys it in the end.

I never posted there. Just watched the fun happen. There are some batshit people there, man.

Yep. Folks like that need the protection of a tightly
controlled web board. Unfortunately that also ends up
leading to infighting and destroys it in the end.


The second blog post concerning moderators is gone off the ning.

[link to www.zetasquawk.com]

I quoted both with links on the above.

Thank you greatly for a rational, thoughtful response!


It's a pity you can't develop a rational, thoughtful mind.

Come on dude, George is trying to learn, unlike the Zidiots
we used to have on GLP.

Thank you greatly for a rational, thoughtful response!


It's a pity you can't develop a rational, thoughtful mind.

Come on dude, George is trying to learn, unlike the Zidiots
we used to have on GLP.

RA 6h 42m 8.44s, Dec 41 40' 18.94" . . . First Day
RA 6h 41m 55.77s, Dec 41 35' 19.45" . . . Ten Days later

Could you tell if the object was traveling away, toward or parallel to Earth's Orbit? If you can, in the example above which way is it moving?

Not enough information. You need more observations (over the course of about three nights of observing, preferrably separated by a week or two) and you need to know the observer's exact location. Here's some software which can solve for the orbit using that information in what is known as the Gauss' method for orbit determination. From there you can plug the orbit into a variety of programs to visualize the orbit and its relationship to earth.
[link to www.projectpluto.com]

Astornut,

I would like your opinion regarding the coordinates we discussed yesterday. An individual claims that they used an IR capable camera and recorded an object at the coordinates RA: 6h 42m 8.44s, Dec: 41 40' 18.94" on 20 March 2010 from a location in southern Michigan. He later recorded an identical or similar object at 6h 41m 55.77s, 41 35'; 41 35' 19.45" on 9 April 2010.

Astornut,

I would like your opinion regarding the coordinates we discussed yesterday. An individual claims that they used an IR capable camera and recorded an object at the coordinates RA: 6h 42m 8.44s, Dec: 41 40' 18.94" on 20 March 2010 from a location in southern Michigan. He later recorded an identical or similar object at 6h 41m 55.77s, 41 35'; 41 35' 19.45" on 9 April 2010.

I knew those coordinates looked oddly familiar. Yes, I'm familiar with Jcattera's lies... err, claims. When his video first came to light on GLP I immediately checked those coordinates and the surrounding area with my own IR camera and telescope. I later uploaded that rather uneventful video to youtube:
[link to www.youtube.com]
I also took a frame from his first video and performed astrometry on it and found that he was flat-out lying about the coordinates he was looking at. I had to photoshop out his "anomaly" since the astrometry software doesn't account for planets in an image and if they look star-like it rejects the image. Even if his anomaly were real it would have rejected it since that point of light would not fit when pattern matching to the background starfield:
[link to www.flickr.com]
The coordiantes for the image indicate that it WAS Mars in his field of view and that it was a huge distance from where he claimed to be pointing. A video much later on claimed to show that his anomaly had moved even farther, but astrometry of that video proved he was still lying about the coordinates and was now pointing at the star Dubhe:
[link to www.flickr.com]

The whole ordeal was played out in this thread:
Thread: Did this guy just discover Planet X?
I started broadcasting a live view of his coordinates starting on page 12.

What motivates someone to perpetrate a fraud like that above . . . I just don't get it?

What motivates someone to perpetrate a fraud like that above . . . I just don't get it?

I have the suspicion that he has actually been on GLP and was the one (SuperSkyWatcher) lying and attacking my ability to film in IR before the broadcast, and some of the things he said would suggest he thinks I'm evil for debunking evidence of Nibiru as it will cause people to believe Nibiru is fake and they'll die because they weren't preparing for it. In short, I think he believes in the reality of Nibiru to such an extent that the ends justify the means; he'll buy expensive equipment to make hoax videos to get people to believe so that they'll prepare, even though he doesn't actually have any real evidence for Nibiru.

In his mind, he doesn't even see the damage he does to the reputation of Nibiru as a theory. In his twisted and warped logic, I'm evil for exposing him. When I realized that I began to realize that such a radically twisted worldview is even potentially dangerous if you follow it through to its logical conclusion; what would happen if he really thought I was seriously going to result in the deaths of many innocent people because I am exposing him? Would he see justification to physically harm or kill me in order to save the lives of others? I have no reason to think he's actually that far gone, but it's the logical conclusion you reach when you examine that belief system. I hope he's just another attention-hungry unethical hoaxer who was trying for some short-lived internet fame. He does seem awfully dedicated to continuing the game though; he still moderates all the comments on his videos to keep the truth from being exposed.

Thank you greatly for a rational, thoughtful response!


It's a pity you can't develop a rational, thoughtful mind.

Come on dude, George is trying to learn, unlike the Zidiots
we used to have on GLP.

Thank you greatly for a rational, thoughtful response!


It's a pity you can't develop a rational, thoughtful mind.

Come on dude, George is trying to learn, unlike the Zidiots
we used to have on GLP.


I've not noticed any desire to learn. He may be a bit more polite, but he seems just as determined to remain dumb to me.

What motivates someone to perpetrate a fraud like that above . . . I just don't get it?

I have the suspicion that he has actually been on GLP and was the one (SuperSkyWatcher) lying and attacking my ability to film in IR before the broadcast, and some of the things he said would suggest he thinks I'm evil for debunking evidence of Nibiru as it will cause people to believe Nibiru is fake and they'll die because they weren't preparing for it. In short, I think he believes in the reality of Nibiru to such an extent that the ends justify the means; he'll buy expensive equipment to make hoax videos to get people to believe so that they'll prepare, even though he doesn't actually have any real evidence for Nibiru.

In his mind, he doesn't even see the damage he does to the reputation of Nibiru as a theory. In his twisted and warped logic, I'm evil for exposing him. When I realized that I began to realize that such a radically twisted worldview is even potentially dangerous if you follow it through to its logical conclusion; what would happen if he really thought I was seriously going to result in the deaths of many innocent people because I am exposing him? Would he see justification to physically harm or kill me in order to save the lives of others? I have no reason to think he's actually that far gone, but it's the logical conclusion you reach when you examine that belief system. I hope he's just another attention-hungry unethical hoaxer who was trying for some short-lived internet fame. He does seem awfully dedicated to continuing the game though; he still moderates all the comments on his videos to keep the truth from being exposed.

It takes a lot of patience to do what you did . . . that was a real public service! The perps motivation is rather sick no matter which way he swings. I cannot believe someone truly thought by creating a lie he would save lives; however, you may be right. The only other conclusion is he truly is a head case to pull a hoax for his own ego's sake. Again I appreciate your efforts . . . I really hope you have no reason to fear this creep.

What motivates someone to perpetrate a fraud like that above . . . I just don't get it?

I have the suspicion that he has actually been on GLP and was the one (SuperSkyWatcher) lying and attacking my ability to film in IR before the broadcast, and some of the things he said would suggest he thinks I'm evil for debunking evidence of Nibiru as it will cause people to believe Nibiru is fake and they'll die because they weren't preparing for it. In short, I think he believes in the reality of Nibiru to such an extent that the ends justify the means; he'll buy expensive equipment to make hoax videos to get people to believe so that they'll prepare, even though he doesn't actually have any real evidence for Nibiru.

In his mind, he doesn't even see the damage he does to the reputation of Nibiru as a theory. In his twisted and warped logic, I'm evil for exposing him. When I realized that I began to realize that such a radically twisted worldview is even potentially dangerous if you follow it through to its logical conclusion; what would happen if he really thought I was seriously going to result in the deaths of many innocent people because I am exposing him? Would he see justification to physically harm or kill me in order to save the lives of others? I have no reason to think he's actually that far gone, but it's the logical conclusion you reach when you examine that belief system. I hope he's just another attention-hungry unethical hoaxer who was trying for some short-lived internet fame. He does seem awfully dedicated to continuing the game though; he still moderates all the comments on his videos to keep the truth from being exposed.

It takes a lot of patience to do what you did . . . that was a real public service! The perps motivation is rather sick no matter which way he swings. I cannot believe someone truly thought by creating a lie he would save lives; however, you may be right. The only other conclusion is he truly is a head case to pull a hoax for his own ego's sake. Again I appreciate your efforts . . . I really hope you have no reason to fear this creep.


What Astronut did is very common and easy for most serious amateur astronomers, especially astrophotographers. The bunkers don't realize that they can't fake astronomical coordinates. We all have software that can look at any image of the sky and within just a fraction of a second tell exactly the coordinates of the central point as well as the position angle...that's how we aim telescopes with automation to very high precision. It's called a "plate solve". Many of the objects we photograph are so dim as to not be visible without long exposures so it requires that we have a method to precisely aim the telescope based on objects that can be photographed with relatively short exposures. When I'm shooting a series of exposures over several hours with the air temperture dropping the whole time, the focus of the scope changes slightly. As well, it changes slightly between the different filters I use. To combat that, I program my automation to slew the scope away from the target between filter changes or with every few degrees drop in temperature to a relatively isolated star of the proper magnitude, go through an automated focusing routine and then slew back to the target...checking and fine adjusting the scope's position by taking short images and plate solving them to be sure that it replicates the exact same field of view as before the focusing slew.

BTW, here's my most recent photo from our last clear sky period a few weekends ago.

[link to www.machunter.org]