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If we get to 2015 and nothing's happened, I'll be more likely to agree with you. Be sure to check back.

But seriously, I went to GREAT pains to try and convey to you the qualitative difference of that "vision" from an oridinary "dream". I have dreams ALL THE TIME. Every single night. But none of them have the "vividness" and sensory information this one had. I was also partially awake when I entered the vision - which was more of a meditative state than a true sleep state - something I rarely, in fact almost never, do. I don't meditate regularly - I tried it on numerous occasions, but it was always a VERY non-rewarding, draining, even "painful" experience. Maybe in the "next" life ...

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/02/2011 04:11 PM

Why 2015? What if 2015 comes and goes and the real significance of the dream was ignored all those years? Maybe you are afraid to take that bull by the horns? Sounds to me like the stubbornness of the conscious mind trying to interpret that which cannot be interpreted.

The vividness of a dream only denotes urgency and/or a deeper shift into the dream state. Being half awake doesn't mean you aren't deep in the dream state, in fact, often it is an indication of a very deep shift, like what precedes lucid dreaming. Believe me. The most important messages given in the dream state cannot be remembered as more than a nagging sensation in the waking state.

Last Edited by KeepingItReal on 04/02/2011 04:21 PM

That may well be. But only the passage of more time will settle the issue of whether it was "pre-cognitive" or not. What's the matter KIR, can't handle "uncertainty"?

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/02/2011 04:22 PM

? I thrive on uncertainty. Life would be very boring and restricted if everything was certain.

Well then, what's the problem? If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't - it doesn't.

It's not my problem. I take each day as it comes and don't focus on doomsday. You are the one that makes mountains out of molehills and is obsessed with bad things happening. Don't let me piss in your punchbowl. Maybe someday the doom you crave will find you.

By 2015 he'll be saying 2020.

The "2015" was just a date I "pulled out of my ass". I have no idea when the "Chicago earthquake" vision will lose it's "importance" for me. But, I'm pretty sure that if nothing happens by 2015, most of the "doom" I speculate about will no longer be of much personal "concern".

But it's RIDICULOUSLY silly for you guys to sugest that I should somehow consider it "unimportant" on the heals of the Japan disaster, the Christchurch disaster and the fact that there seems to be more "concern" about the New Madrid Seismic Zone than EVER before.

Do you really think I'm going to "downgrade" the importance of my vision after listening to Ed Dames' latest pronouncements?????

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/02/2011 06:06 PM

No.

What I wonder is why you believe Ed Dames pronouncements mean anything to the veracity of *your* vision when *he* has been so consistently wrong. Same with Nancy.

Why do you keep looking for validation of your visions with external sources and authorities with such awful track records? How are you "picking" said authorities?

You are not putting importance on the dream, you are putting importance on your own interpretation of that dream and looking for validation from other sources, even in the darkest and emptiest places. I know a bit about dreams, and my educated opinion is that the dream is not prophetic, it is important, but not the way you think it is. Let your subconscious do it's thing and don't let your conscious mind interfere. Just know it is working in its own way and let the conscious mind take care of it's own thing. That is the best preparation. Your body has organs that function without direction or interference from your conscious mind. Same with the subconscious. It works best when left on its own, you don't need to understand it for it to function. But I know you don't want to hear this, because you have already made up your mind that your interpretation is right.

Yep I remember listening to that Ed Dames guy when I was a subscriber to C2C. From what I remember of him he was just like another Nancy LIEDer.....coming back time and time again with "new" predictions of doom even after FAILURE upon FAILURE of his earlier predictions!!!

The well containing these doomsday predictor fools never seems to run dry!!!!

LOL!! Do you really need to ask, Melfy!!

Well I guess that is technically true if one equates ZitaMax to being an ASS!!!.....seeing that ZitaASS has indeed contributed to a HUGE CHUNK of it.

It's looking more and more like Chicago is PHUCKED!!!

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Please stop calling me Melfy. It's embarrassing to me.

No.

What I wonder is why you believe Ed Dames pronouncements mean anything to the veracity of *your* vision when *he* has been so consistently wrong. Same with Nancy.

Why do you keep looking for validation of your visions with external sources and authorities with such awful track records? How are you "picking" said authorities?

Well, whatever. I was being genuine and trying to help, but as I said above, you are not interested in understanding that dream, you have interpreted it and seek validation from questionable sources and people you don't know. You don't want to hear anything that entertains the possibility that your interpretation is wrong. I won't force my opinions on you or say what I didn't say in the original post, which I thought was too personal to mention here. Had you been interested, I may have been able to help, but I should have known better. Your link to a story about something "that looks like a ufo" sighted in Chicago has nothing to do with any of what we were discussing, so all I can do is interpret it as a desperate attempt to change the subject away from that part of what I said that made you feel uneasy on a deep level.

Carry on running away from yourself, Max. I hope your doom comes soon and makes you very happy.

I don't dismiss your assertion - you could very well be right. But how am I to "really" ***KNOW*** - except in hindsight and with the passage of more time?

And you're free to share ANY insights you have - but offer them without any expecation of me accepting or embracing them.

I'm already "ready" for DOOM. I made all the necessary lifestyle changes seven going on eight years ago. Where I now live is where I make my STAND. Be it earthquake, radiation, war, civil unrest, you name it. I have a 4x4 pickup for bugout if it gets REALLY bad (like a Chinese invasion from Canada or something similar). I'm as ready for DOOM as I'm ever going to be - so NOTHING keeps me awake at night. Mainly I plan to live by my wits - KNOWLEDGE is more important than supplies. I'm prepared to eat road kill, insects, and cattails if necessary. Not confident I'll get my daughters to join me in that cuisine - but I can only control so much. The rest is left to fate.

So for me personally it DOESN'T MATTER if the dream is symbolic or not. I was more than prepared to see it that way - quite literally - until the Ed Dames revelations. Now I'm not so sure. But again, since I'm already "ready", it doesn't matter anyway.

I think the question is why YOU "believe" there is no chance of his being right "this time"? Some people really do "eventually" learn from their mistakes. Why are so quick to beleive that 25 years of remote viewing has taught Dames NOTHING?????

You still haven't answered the question I asked earlier. If you had a financial advisor that was always wrong and losing your money, how many times would you continue to put your money in his hands before you looked for someone with a successful track record?

Melfy because Ed Dumbnuts is about as good at "foreseeing" future events of calamity as Nancy LIEDer is. ONLY fool's such as youself, Melfy, consider CONTINUAL FAILURES like Ed Dumbnuts & Nancy "Star Bursts" LIEDer as valid sources of doom prediction.

Last Edited by The Lone Ranger on 04/03/2011 07:01 PM

Melfy you do a good job of that all by your wittle self!!

Yes, you have dismissed it. Without knowing it, you have given too much information and I think I understand why you do the things you do. I actually feel sorry for you.



I don't expect you to accept or embrace them, but I am puzzled about why you embrace the likes of Clif, Nancy and Ed Dames, who all have dismal records for predicting everything, but won't consider the other side of the coin.



All dreams are symbolic. We dream to clear the cache of stuff we encounter in our day to day world. It's kind of like deleting cookies on your computer. The subconscious doesn't come up with the visuals of the dream. It operates on a whole other level. The mind interprets the information according to its own predilection, and in your case, since doom is a big part of your day to day life, you dream with doomy imagery.

I did some research on another site a few years ago, and my findings suggested that people who do not believe in imminent doom do not have doomy dreams. People that follow the latest doom monger dream about disaster all the time. Hmmmmmmmm. Kinda makes sense.

Because he continues to be wrong -- and all evidence shows that he hasn't learned from past errors (to the point where he doesn't ADMIT past errors, same as Nancy).

Some people DON'T learn from their mistakes. From all appearances (and no offense meant), you seem to be one of them. Certainly Dames and Lieder don't.

How many times must Dames fool you before you *finally* dismiss his core ideas as 'in error?' And, again: How are you "picking" said authorities? If not by their past performance (since Nancy and Dames continue to wallow in the 'ridiculously wrong' category) then how?

I would request (if possible, and in reasonable good taste) an explanation of your possible understanding of Zetamax. I truly *don't* understand why he tends to think the way he does, or why he accepts outlandish explanations while rejecting others -- and I have been asking questions for years to try to understand that -- thus if you have insights into his mindset, I am quite curious as to your observations.

No offense to you, Zetamax, but I have rarely grokked your positions and opinions, and if KIR has some understanding and can shed some light, I would like to further read his opinions.

>> How are you "picking" said authorities? If not by their past performance

They pick "me". In other words, I simply come across their work at a time where their message resonates with whatever train of thought I am entertaining at the time.

It's quite simple, really. Max doesn't like himself. He feels inadequate and he is afraid to confront his own weaknesses and failings, so he ignores them and looks for ways to pretend he really has his shit together.

One of the clues was what he said about his attempts at meditation. He described them as being painful. Meditation is nothing more than turning the world off and being silent within yourself and observing things as they are without prejudice. Either he was doing some masochistic technique he picked up from some flake on the internet (and knowing Max, this could be true LOL), or he is just too uncomfortable to be alone in his own company with no distractions. So as most people that can't stand themselves, he looks for distractions to fill the void and the more convoluted the better. He looks for others who will tell them what to do, how to think and behave. He creates noise to drown out his own inner voice. That way he doesn't have to look at himself in the mirror and be accountable to himself. If things don't work out, he has someone to blame besides himself. In a nut shell, he has damaged self esteem and is too afraid to deal with his own issues.

There are more clues, but it wouldn't be fair to bring that up here, as it is very personal and sensitive. I have already picked at the scab, wouldn't want him to bleed too much, because contrary to what Max might think, I don't wish to cause harm to anyone.

>> There are more clues, but it wouldn't be fair to bring that up here, as it is very personal and sensitive. I have already picked at the scab, wouldn't want him to bleed too much, because contrary to what Max might think, I don't wish to cause harm to anyone.

You are more than invited to share ANY insights you have, no matter how "personal or sensitive". You are completely ABSOLVED from any "harm" you may do. Since what you will be sharing are YOUR insights that cannot rise to a level greater than "speculation", I do not see how you could "harm" me as much as you like to think you can. So go ahead ... SPILL. I asked for it.