Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!

Some good discussion taking place here.

I think the answer about whether "debunking" has made ZetaTalk more successful depends on who you ask. We've all, or most have, seen how the "believers" like to claim that the presence of "debunkers" proves Nancy right. Now, to most, that makes absolutely no sense. How could every person who doesn't believe Nancy be a "bought and paid for debunker?" Doesn't it make more sense and be more likely that most, if not all, "debunkers" are simply people who disagree with Nancy's claims? Sure...but the fact that people who are educated, know better and can easily prove Nancy wrong scares the crap out of her. She can't prove that the information "debunking" her is false. There's really nothing she can do. So, really, her best and only option is to attempt to discredit that information by claiming it's all made up and part of some grand conspiracy. That also includes claiming that anyone posting that disagrees with her is paid to do so. It doesn't take any supporting evidence from her...the fact that "debunkers" can't prove who they are is all the "evidence" she needs. Even when a "debunker" DOES provide information proving who he or she is, Nancy and the believers simply say, "That's just a cover story." Take Hap for instance...he posted photos of himself and his telescope(s). Loser simply claimed it was all paid for by the government. Hap then provided information on how to contact him. He even invited Nancy or any of her believers to come to his observatory to search for and photograph "Planet X." Oddly, not ONE of them took him up on the offer.

Even when a "debunker" DOES provide information proving who he or she is, Nancy and the believers simply say, "That's just a cover story." Take Hap for instance...he posted photos of himself and his telescope(s). Loser simply claimed it was all paid for by the government. Hap then provided information on how to contact him. He even invited Nancy or any of her believers to come to his observatory to search for and photograph "Planet X." Oddly, not ONE of them took him up on the offer.

Even when a "debunker" DOES provide information proving who he or she is, Nancy and the believers simply say, "That's just a cover story." Take Hap for instance...he posted photos of himself and his telescope(s). Loser simply claimed it was all paid for by the government. Hap then provided information on how to contact him. He even invited Nancy or any of her believers to come to his observatory to search for and photograph "Planet X." Oddly, not ONE of them took him up on the offer.

Ohh... and of course, Nancy had them believing Hap is the enemy and it would be a trick. By the way, where is Hap these days?

Hey guys...Hap here. Just checking back to see if any of the zetatards have come around, or if they are still delusional...waiting on their imaginary fairy-tale planet ex to show up. That Ruth's Chris steak from Max is getting closer by the day!

So, what quality is it, in all of us, that makes us fall for those Nancy-like thoughts and cults?

I do remember Festinger's book 'When Prophecy Fails' though it has been years since I read it. I just wonder about the mechanism in the brain that is 'worked' by similar leaders. Why do some ideas catch on, regardless of outlandishness? Why do some, which seem nearly identical fail so badly? For every Nancy, there's got to be some that fail even harder, and some that balloon up into full-on religions, like some of the schisms in other faiths. What quality is it that allows one set of ideas to flourish, and another to die? It certainly does not seem to be the factual content of the idea, nor the predictive qualities of the leaders (or Lieders).

I'm not expressing what I am trying to get at very well, but perhaps discussing it will improve my ability to convey it.

I'm here...checking in every once in a while. I decided that I simply don't have time to waste on those who refuse to learn. I'll be checking in as the end of the year approaches to see the usual suspects squirm.

So, what's new in the world of Nancy's faithful and those who know better?

The desire to feel "special" is part of it. Also, the desire to blame our problems or life situation on others.

So, what's new in the world of Nancy's faithful and those who know better?

I agree that is certainly a part of it. I just wonder how the desire to feel special can be *so* deep seated, that self destruction becomes preferable to letting go of that feeling... ala Jonestown, Heaven's Gate, among others.

Well, she seemed to promise that Java would be 80 feet underwater by now -- it's not.

She also said the straits of Gibraltar would be 125 miles wider by now -- they're not.

So, essentially, she's batting about the same as ever. But she has iron control of her Ning now, so it doesn't get discussed.

As for some others, Postman stops by every now and again after the GLP shakeup, CB is here fighting the good fight, Aussie and Gazmick keep it real, Menow doggedly pointing out the obvious, TLR has the power but uses it responsibly, Zetamax still plays the fool, Volar's reading comprehension has actually DEcreased, and 78/68 and IDW appear to have disappeared altogether...

I am certain to be forgetting a ton of people, but there you go...

Well, she seemed to promise that Java would be 80 feet underwater by now -- it's not.

She also said the straits of Gibraltar would be 125 miles wider by now -- they're not.

So, essentially, she's batting about the same as ever. But she has iron control of her Ning now, so it doesn't get discussed.

As for some others, Postman stops by every now and again after the GLP shakeup, CB is here fighting the good fight, Aussie and Gazmick keep it real, Menow doggedly pointing out the obvious, TLR has the power but uses it responsibly, Zetamax still plays the fool, Volar's reading comprehension has actually DEcreased, and 78/68 and IDW appear to have disappeared altogether...

I am certain to be forgetting a ton of people, but there you go...

It's not about logic or critical examination of evidence no matter how many times Nancy has said: "Look for yourself". It's about paranoid belief in conspiracy and certain other preconceived notions.

I agree that is certainly a part of it. I just wonder how the desire to feel special can be *so* deep seated, that self destruction becomes preferable to letting go of that feeling... ala Jonestown, Heaven's Gate, among others.

That's wild. I only posted about you an hour or so ago. "Luser" has gone away, and so has Andrew it seems, though he is at Nancy's ning.

There's one thing funny about Nancy right there - she tells people to look after leading them to believe that what they'll see is unnatural...when it isn't. She tries to get people to believe that the sun setting in the NW sky during the summer is unusual when, in fact, it happens EVERY year. She also keeps claiming that "debunkers" are telling people NOT to look when the exact opposite is true.

I'm still here but busy with life :)

And Freestore?

As many here know I am writing a book on the subject. Simply put; cult leaders have a "Napoleon" complex, while followers wish to be part of something "special".

The expansion of the internet has given these people a wider range and reach. Look at photos of the "abducted by UFO's" pre internet, desperately lonely people seeking attention, now consider the number of devoted followers Nancy had before the 2003 failure, without the internet Nancy would have been lucky to suck in a dozen people.

Melfy first claimed to be a "contactee" as well as a survivor of 9/11, the 9/11 claim was proven false and Nancy would not have others usurp her position at the top of the tree. As we know Nancy claims to have an implant from the "Zetas" to enable her "chats" to the zetas, Melfy did not claim the same implant status.

Hey guys...Hap here. Just checking back to see if any of the zetatards have come around, or if they are still delusional...waiting on their imaginary fairy-tale planet ex to show up. That Ruth's Chris steak from Max is getting closer by the day!

And Freestore?

In respect of the Melfster, I don't have too many positives to convey about the "clown", but I do sense that he will eventually buy you that "steak" when the "writing is on the wall" for him finally in 2012.

I think you are overly optimistic. We have all seen how "it" is happy to lurch from one doomtard to the next. Come 2012, "it" will simply find a new doomtard to cling on to.

after 2003 i was also almost ready to go into thinking like that. but i decided "not so fast", not to be so quick with conclusions. and now i dont regret.

i, rather think, "how i could be so stupid to possibly reject it all" in a blink of an eye.

and i believe it has not happened YET. its like two parallel timelines: with that of ZetaTalk is ahead of the real time one. and it is deliberate, smart maneuver - to warn, to alert the pupulace.

i remain in the boat with Nancy, Zetas and other folks

watching the signs and preparing.