The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory?? who made it up???

Hi Ac, no judging here I hope I will go back and look for your question

No of course not, video 11 explains the confusion on terms , he is telling us we are at the end of the Seals and much Tribulation has and is happening

I just turned the radio on to see what happened to be on and heard:

"Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth."

Coincidence is not a kosher word.

"And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come."


"Pre-wrath"?

I don't know. I hope so.

"Pre-trib"?

I don't know. I hope so.


"He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. "

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

"The Rapture - Christianity's Most Preposterous Belief
The Blessed Hope"

For anyone willing to examine and consider a serious Christian taking the subject very seriously, addressing the history of the understanding of the idea and critiques of it, I know of no better thorough explanation than from Chuck Missler:

In the moment inthe twinkle of an eye , you are refering to 1 Corinthians 15-51-52 , the verse says ALL WILL CHANGE , no where in that verse is the church the subject or object , yes it also involves those of the church but also the entire of humanity and all of Gods creations will change in that twinkle of an eye . Read the bible for what it says checking the original Greek and Hebrew back to a Strongs concordence when needed and then you will be rightly dividing the word and not adding to it as in this case . Peace .

A pre tribber will say this does not involve them because they're the set aside ones , they are not part of ALL unless you are speaking of 1Corintians 15:51-52 and then the pre tribbers consider just them the ALL. Lol to funny how people will change the wording to fit their agenda and when you show them this the strong delusion they are being sent is clearly visible with eyes to see and ears to hear .

"I don't want to sell you my view. I want you to be aware of the view. I want you to confirm it by your own studies."

"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ."

Well said AC , love to you

Those of you who are hostile to and post against any notion of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture,

What are we really talking about- a difference of 3 1/2 or 7 years?

Why is someone who believes they might meet Christ a few years earlier than what you believe a stupid, wicked, deceived, evil, false Christian?

I've seen you call them all those things.

Why? Why and what is so, so very bad?

Can anyone tell me that?

Great thread! Didn't see that I had a new message. Thank you so much for sending the link! I can't respond to it since I used my karma for a trial account. BUT just wanted to say thank you again! I try telling people this was made up not even 200 years ago, but they think I'm nuts and not following Truth. We need to pray pray for those to wake up. I just know when they find out they are wrong.. so many might question EVERYTHING they believed in including their Faith! :(

Great Question!!!! My take on those who dismiss the very true and accurate pretrib rapture event:

- they’re not ready.....very attached to the world and worldly things
- think that they have to suffer for some reason...as if most haven’t already suffered enough
- think that they will earn a better place/more prestige/ in heaven by suffering through the trib
- think that “prepping” is somehow going to turn them into rambo and give them the ability to make it through all of the events to prove they were somehow “worthy”.

Hope that clarifies it a bit

Isaiah 26
7The way of the just is uprightness: thou, most upright, dost weigh the path of the just.

8Yea, in the way of thy judgments, O LORD, have we waited for thee; the desire of our soul is to thy name, and to the remembrance of thee.

9With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

10Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.

11LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.

12LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us.

Yes.

The Je*ws are God's ordained people. Yet, they rejected the salvation sent to them. So, in their fall, Salvation came freely to ALL men.

The meek, shall inherit the earth.

I do not pray that you take us out of the world, but that you keep us from the time of trial.

John 17
13And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.15I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

The Bible. Read it (not the NIV or other corrupt versions).

King James. Good bye

Scriptural PROOF that there IS NOT A PRE-TRIB rapture.

Jesus said....

Matthew 24

21 For then shall be great tribulation,
such as was not since the beginning of the world
to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened,
there should no flesh be saved:

but for the elect's sake

those days shall be shortened.

This short passage PROVES that Believers - "the elect" - will STILL BE ON EARTH during the Tribulation.

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See how these verses are ALL the same event. They compare what Paul said to what Jesus said.

1. Notice that Verses 16 & 17 are pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus says in the Gospel descriptions.


1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

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2. Then notice how Paul's verses 15 & 17 match....

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

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WHY does Paul say this TWICE???

"we which are alive and remain" in 1 Thessalonians 4?

Because it's a KEY POINT.

When a disaster happens, there are those who are "dead and gone"...AND those who are "alive and remain".

Paul is talking about folks who made it THROUGH the Tribulation.

ANOTHER point. Notice the NEXT chapter.

1 Thessalonians 5

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

The ENTIRE passage is about the Tribulation and the Second Coming of Christ.

NOT BEFORE things start to happen.

the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Matthew 24:50,51